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Microsoft Terminal Services vs Citrix Presentation Server
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We are currently running Navision Financials 2.60F on Windows Server 2000.  Database is the native Navision FDB file.  We will continue to run 2000 server.

We are going to be moving this server into a datacenter with the rest of our servers to open up access via Terminal Services or Citrix Presentation Server to remote workes and staff.  Would I be better off with one or the other?

As far as bandwidth consumption, which is better and uses less bandwidth.  Most likely we will be running 10 concurrent users and plan on running this on 1 server.  May spike to 13 users at the most.
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02.25.2008 at 09:24AM PST, ID: 20977314
citrix. its more expensive but flexable but your limited number of users you'll have a hard time justifying that cost. terminal server seems to fit the bill for you. i'd advise you to install TS in a cluser enviroment for redundacy.
 
02.25.2008 at 10:57AM PST, ID: 20978171

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ICA is thinner and more customizable than RDP.  Citrix gives you TWAIN redirection if you need to scan through the session.  Citrix is much safer to expose to the outside world if that is a requirement; it comes with the Citrix Secure Gateway and will let you encapsulate ICA in SSL.  
The new features in Server 2008 come close to what Citrix offers but you will need Vista SP1 and XP SP3 to make full use of the features.  
Citrix gives you many more client options and features than RDP.  

Those are the big items.  
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02.25.2008 at 02:12PM PST, ID: 20979785
it all boils down on how much you want to spend
 
02.25.2008 at 03:15PM PST, ID: 20980247

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Citrix can pay for itself if you make use of the features.  Let's say you go with RDP but need load balancing, you either set up NLB (and eat more 1Gbps switchports) or buy a hardware load balancer to do it right.  How about scanning, when you need scanning and realize RDP doesn't redirect it you may go out and pay RemoteScan $150per scanner to get that working.  Then you need remote access and you need it secure; buy an SSL VPN from Juniper or maybe more seats on your Cisco VPN Concentrator.  
As you can see, these 3 items are all covered in a $250-350 concurrent user license with Citrix.  
 
02.25.2008 at 08:51PM PST, ID: 20981702
what kind of bandwidth does terminal services use compared to citrx?
 
02.25.2008 at 09:09PM PST, ID: 20981779

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ICA is slightly more efficient than RDP but it is close.  The large benefit of Citrix is the ability to policy things like bandwidth throttling and reduction of redirected devices.  You can mitigate spikes from things like large file copies, print jobs, and copy/paste operations from the clipboard.  Things like screen size and color depth will change bandwidth requirements for both.  Also, graphics can be a killer.  Another benefit of Citrix is published web browsing.  Citrix gives you browser enhancements for graphics and flash so you can scale down resolution with a centralized setting.  

On the other hand, if you don't need all of the bells and whistles, just use RDP with TSWeb and you are good to go; you need to buy TCALs either way.  
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?displaylang=en&FamilyID=E2FF8FB5-97FF-47BC-BACC-92283B52B310

I would try the RDP option and see what your needs truly are.
 
02.25.2008 at 09:27PM PST, ID: 20981840
i was planning on using remote desktop to establish the connection...you made mention to the web version of it...any advantage of one over the other?
 
02.26.2008 at 12:31PM PST, ID: 20988440

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One clear advantage is the number of firewall ports you would need to open and which ports.  With a pure RDP system using the local Remote Desktop Client you would need to open port 3389-tcp to the user-base and translate it to each terminal server you want to publish.  With TS Web you just need to open port 443-tcp to the host server and it proxies everything through it.  A website can be more dynamic than a server as well.  You can always put in a test site, try it out, and when it looks good you just switch up the NAT or A record in DNS and your users point to the new site.  
 
02.27.2008 at 02:51PM PST, ID: 20999363
Someone told me that If I am using Terminal Services and have more then 10 users, that for licensing we need an "Authenticated Operating System".  What does that mean?  Also, can I run the remote desktop as well as the web interface?
 
02.27.2008 at 04:58PM PST, ID: 21000345

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I have never heard that first part and I have installed just about every licensed flavor of Server 2003 (OEM, Volume Business, Select Business, Volume Academic, Select Academic, Retail, Techet, MSDN) and I have never run into a concurrency issue like that.  I would google it some and see if anything 'sticks'.  
You can use many ways to interface the server: RDP, TS Web (with the ActiveX RDP Client), Program Neighborhood, PN Agent, Web Interface, Secure Gateway, etc... You can have them all or just some in use, it's up to you.  The only gotcha here is licensing: all sessions (RDP and ICA) consume a license in Citrix now.  That changed in PS3.0 I believe.  Many people would use a hybrid setup with maybe 5 concurrent WAN users coming in on ICA making use of the nifty security and performance features Citrix gives you.  Then, they would have the other 45 LAN users come in on RDP since you only would pay the TCAL.  Now they all consume a Citrix Concurrent User license.  Citrix says it is because the platform can enhance the use of RDP or some business along those lines (I call it a shakedown, each to his own).  
Oh, to get around this simply run a second server for your RDP sessions and make sure not to load Citrix on it.  
 
 
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