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The perfect whitebox VMWare ESXi setup

Asked by: Maxwellb

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Now that VMWare ESXi is free for alll, I'd like to implement it at home. Naturally I don't want to buy an expensive server (i.e. one that is on the HCL list). So the only other option remaining is to roll it myself with off the shelf components. Which brings me to the question of the day: what components which meet the following list of requirements are most compatible with VMWare ESXi? Basically I'm looking for links to a motherboard , processor and RAM which will work with VMWare ESXi without modification (i.e. have to purchase an additional SATA controller card).

Requirements:

- 4GB of RAM
- AMD dual core 64 bit processor
- A working CDROM/DVDROM bus (aka a working IDE bus)
- 4 or more SATA ports
- A working ethernet port

I found this:

http://www.vm-help.com/esx/esx3.5/Whiteboxes_SATA_Controllers_for_ESX_3.5_3i.htm

list of components, but I'd like to know which one (if any on that list) fits my requirements best.

Personal experiences are also very welcome!

Thanks!
-Max

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by: paulsolovPosted on 2008-08-27 at 22:03:10ID: 22331751

what is your budget? How much storage would you like to have?

 

by: MaxwellbPosted on 2008-08-27 at 22:26:04ID: 22331831

I was planning to throw in two 500GB drives and then do software RAID in the guest OS's. I want to make sure I can add more, however, so 4 SATA ports is a minimum - 8 would be nice. As for budget - since this is a home system, cheaper would be nicer. Say $80-$120 ish for the motherboard, and I'm not sure how much a lower end AMD processor goes for - but if a 64 bit dual core one exists for under $100 I'll take it. RAM is RAM, so whatever 4GB costs, I'll pay. It's been a while since I built a computer from scratch so I'm kind of 'out of the loop' so to speak in component pricing.  Storage does not need to be in the equation however as I have the drives already.

Many thanks,
Max

 

by: paulsolovPosted on 2008-08-27 at 23:09:47ID: 22331989

I would probabaly go with something a little more in price like a HP ML115 G5.  Comes with an AMD but also has a 4 port SATA that will do Raid 0/1/5

http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF06b/15351-15351-241434-241646-3328424-3683705-3707857-3707859.html

For $449 it comes with 1GB and a 160GB hard drive.  For another $50-$75 you can add 2-3GB RAM and it looks like it installs on the fly

http://spininfo.homelinux.com/news/VMware_ESXi/2008/08/05/ESX3i_and_HP_ML115_G5

By the time you buy the case, mobo, cpu, etc... this is a decent deal

You can than take the 160GB  HD into any old PC and install Openfiler which will give you an ISCSI SAN LUN for your ESXi, just need a e1000 intel nic for $20

My $.02

 

by: Randy_BojanglesPosted on 2008-08-28 at 02:49:22ID: 22333071

The RAID card in the ML115 is not on the HCL and, though I've seen reports of people getting it to work, it needs a lot of messing around in the Linux of ESX (fine if that's your thing but maybe not)

You cant do software RAID in the guest O/S per se as it gets presented with a file that it believes is the hard disk. Although you could software RAID 2 of these you'd gain nothing really.

I'd look on Ebay for a big old box that will be on the HCL and work fine

 

by: MaxwellbPosted on 2008-08-28 at 15:47:16ID: 22340664

paulsolov, an interesting angle - I'll look into it. Do you know if the RAID adapter is "software" RAID, or actual hardware RAID?

Randy_Bojangles, do you have any recommendations of hardware that is on the HCL supports SATA with RAID? And as far as software RAID within the guest OSes...couldn't I assign two hard disk files to the guest OS... one which is on 'hard drive A' and another which is on 'hard drive B' and then so RAID1?

Thanks everyone for your comments! I appreciate your suggestions and I'm considering them - but I'm still open to building it myself...

 

by: tera-itPosted on 2008-09-03 at 13:52:17ID: 22381849

For production use I would always recommend sticking with pre-built systems - believe it or not, they're usually cheaper too. If you're super keen on DIY (as I am), then stick with top-tier vendors and workstation/server grade hardware. You might get ESXi to run on an ASUS motherboard, but why take a risk. I'm also looking at doing this. Below is pretty much what I'm planning on getting - use or not, your choice.

Intel Server Chassis SC5299-E (BRP) w/ 650-Watt PFC Power Supply, Redundant Ready
Intel 650W Redundant Power Supply for Server Chassis SC5299-E (BRP)
Intel Core"2 Quad Processor Q9550 2.83GHz w/ 12MB Cache
2x Kingston 4GB PC2-5300 DDR2 ECC FBDIMM CL5 Kit, Single Rank (Total of 8GB RAM)
Intel Entry Server Board S3210SHLX (Dual Gigabit, 6xSATA RAID ports)
Intel PRO/1000 MT Dual Port Server Adapter (total of 4 Gigabit ports)
Intel 6-Drive Hot-Swap SATA/SAS Kit (Non-Expanded) for Server Chassis SC5400 / SC5299-E
2x (or more) Western Digital VelociRaptor 300GB 10,000 RPM SATAII w/ 16MB Cache

The above comes to about $3,500 CDN - might be cheaper if you shop around, but with ESX's narrow hardware compatibility, it's really a case of buyer beware!

Compared to this, you can get a Dell PowerEdge 1900 (which is on the HCL) with a PERC controller (with 256MB cache and hardware RAID), 2x146GB 15K SAS drives, and most importantly, 16GB of RAM and dual Quad-Core CPUs (16MB cache total, 8x1.83GHz total). Get a 1 GB USB Flash Drive and write ESXi on it, and away you go.

That being said I have had ESXi working flawlessly on a pair of Dell Optiplex 755's as well (and I would assume it would work on any comparable hardware using a current chipset - the 755 uses a Q35 northbridge). One was running the free version of Open-E DSS (limited to 1TB) with 1GB of RAM, and the other running ESXi with no local harddrives and 8GB of RAM (which cost $50 at my local hardware dealer). A cheap gigabit switch provides an iSCSI SAN between them - get one that supports VLAN, and a single switch can serve both the LAN and SAN traffic. Worked pretty much out-of-the-box with no tweaking involved. Performance was great - even with the dual cores I had (not Quad - waaa!).

Anyway, hope this helps.

 

by: tera-itPosted on 2008-09-03 at 15:24:07ID: 22382607

Sorry, didn't see the pre-reqs. For compatibility Intel hardware is better (since AMD has little control over how northbridges are made). I don't see a whole lot of AMD based motherboards on that list. On the otherhand, most good top-tier ESXi offerings are all AMD based...

CD/DVD is utterly uselss on an ESXi host. Take it out and put it somewhere useful (e.g., your desktop).

Your best bet for compatibility is to throw the controller equation out the window and have two machines, one running ESXi and one running software iSCSI (like Open-E DSS). On the ESXi host, more cores is better than more clock speed (so a Quad 1.6GHz CPU is better than a Dual 3.2GHz option), and I'd recommend 8GB if you can afford it (8GB is only about $100 these days). An AMD Phenom X4 is about $200 and an AM2+ board can be had for less than $90. If you're trying to reuse old parts, a Phenom will run on some AM2 based boards, at a somewhat reduced speed. Finally, you'd just need a second gigabit NIC - stick with Intel, they're the most compatible. Intel PRO/1000 is about $40.

The iSCSI server could be an old Athlon XP system, 64-bit is useless here. 1-2GB is fine, and Open-E DSS free version will support up to 1TB - so gather up a bunch of 160-320GB drives, use any sort of controller you want (Open-E can use software RAID). Need another Intel PRO/1000 (unless it has GbE on-board). Since it's 1:1 you could just use a straight CAT6 between them and avoid a special switch altogether (all GbE NICs support AUTO-MDI/MDIX so there's no need for special "crossover" cables). Speed and/or number of drives is going to be more important than capacity.

 

by: idheathPosted on 2008-10-01 at 05:53:51ID: 22613656

Hi,

I've just happend upon this thread and have an interest in it because I'm looking at getting a server up and running with ESXi to host various IPT applications (e.g. CallManager, Unity etc), for a lab.

I was looking (on eBay) for a Dell PowerEdge 2600 or simular, I know this isn't supported with ESXi and also I understand that although it may work the PERC controllers RAID configuration can't be monitored by ESXi.

Having just read this post I've discovered iSCSI (new to me!), and I have some queries.

As I understand it I need to get a PC to run ESXi (e.g. a Dell Optiplex 755) with no local disks and plenty of RAM (running ESXi from USB flash) and another (lesser) server running Open-E DSS?

  • In this configuration is it the ESXi application that actually connects to the disks (via iSCSI) or do the virtual machines need MS iSCSI Software Initiator to connect at that level? 
  • With regard to the Open-E DSS server can I connect multiple ESXi servers to a single Open-E DSS server or is it strictly a 1-1 relationship? 
  • Regarding the ESXi server I assume I can install ESXi on a local hard disk rather than USB flash if I want to? 

Many thanks in advance.

Ian

 

by: paulsolovPosted on 2008-10-01 at 06:20:36ID: 22613907

I'm running ESXi on HP DL360 G4 and it works great.  I've picked up a few DL360 of Ebay for about $250 with s/h

You can setup ISCSI using Openfiler which is a free NAS/SAN that supports ISCSI and can be put on any box with a decent hard drive or array.  ESXi has its own ISCSI intiator

 

by: bertgeyselsPosted on 2008-10-14 at 07:10:30ID: 22711436

There is a website with a compilation of all whitebox hardware that works for ESX:

http://ultimatewhitebox.com/

 

by: lseemanPosted on 2009-07-13 at 05:03:05ID: 24838874

This thread provided me with very useful information.  Thanks!

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