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05.09.2008 at 08:21AM PDT, ID: 23389704 | Points: 500
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SAN Zoning

We have a fibre SAN that I would like to zone out for two separate "servers"

Server #1
IBm Blade Center H chassis with two HS20 blades.
Vmware ESX server
a few servers on each blade
dsk files and vmx files are stored on the FastT

Server #2
dell Poweredge w/ fibre channel card

Storage:
FastT 600 Turbo
two LUNs (900GB and 700GB)


Currently,
Our Blades have access directly to the 900GB partition.
The Dell is setup to be able to access the 700GB partition but is not zoned to do so.

What I would like to accomplish is.....
1. Allow the Blades access to the 700GB partition.
2. Allow the Dell to be access to "read" access to both 700 and 900 gb partitions.

Reason being, I would like the Dell server to be able to directly access all files stored on the FAstT partitions such as dsk and vmx for backup purposes. We will be configuring VCB to pull these files onto the Dell server, which also run Backup Exec for our regular file backups.

Hope this makes sense to someone......I basically want to zone the servers so all can see the attached storage files, but the Blades still technically "own" the files......I.e. they are the only ones that can modify the files.

Thanks in advance
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Zone: Storage
Question Asked By: AmericanBridge
Question Asked On: 05.09.2008
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05.09.2008 at 08:46AM PDT, ID: 21534040

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05.09.2008 at 08:46AM PDT, ID: 21534040

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Hi

If you add the host(from the servers that you want to see) in you storage management this those not work?

Access to the storage, is made on the storage  management . In your luns(or RAID Groups) you can add the host of the servers that can see/work with that LUN

Have you done this

If i understand correctly your question

Jail
 
05.09.2008 at 01:14PM PDT, ID: 21536106
Well...

I'm not sure where I would define that that host can see that partition. For the FastT manager, we use the IBM Storage Manager and the SAN switches are managed via a webpage. so my questions for that are
1. Where do I give a Host LUN permissions
-and-
2. If I give a Windows Server 2003 box access to the LUN, won't it take it over? I have heard that this is the case when servers share LUNs.

On the other end of it....
The SAN is not currently zoned at all so...When I connect the Dell server to the SAN switch via fibre cable, it does not recognize the connection in Windows. The Link lights on both ends are on, but the little "network connection" icon says "cable disconnected"

I assume I have to zone the whole SAN separately to give it access.

 
05.09.2008 at 01:28PM PDT, ID: 21536207

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Hi

Ok be aware that i am talking about VMware server.

If you have multiple VMware servers, and you can add that servers read specific LUNs  or RAID Groups

Your question is share a LUN between different Windows Servers?

Jail
 
05.09.2008 at 01:43PM PDT, ID: 21536287
My question is how to zone so that both a Windows server and Vmware server can share a LUN ...But the Windows server can only read the data, not write to it.

Thanks
 
05.09.2008 at 03:32PM PDT, ID: 21536785

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Hi

Just to see the all picture, but why the Windows 2003 must see the LUN? You are referring th LUN that hold the VMs?

Any specific reason?

Jail
 
05.10.2008 at 08:05AM PDT, ID: 21539282
I don't think you can do it mate, only one system can access the same Lun at one time, unless using a cluster.  The read-only part would be done on your storage appliance, I'm not familiar with the IBM but what about scripting some kind of clone, and presenting the clone out as read-only to the other host, you could update the clone on a daily basis?

Zoning basically just says this server can see this storage appliance.
 
05.11.2008 at 02:41PM PDT, ID: 21543592

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Take a snapshot of the LUN you want to take a backup of and present that as R/W data to the backup server.

You might have to pay license for snapshots; it's nothing to do with zoning (which you have in the title) but it is what you have to do if you want to backup by a second server accessing the "same" data.
 
05.11.2008 at 02:51PM PDT, ID: 21543623

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Hi i think the propose is not backup data. If i understand the question

But if is for backup proposes, then is many different ways to do so, without to have access to the LUN from different systems, or servers

Please AmericanBridge, can answer my question above, and why do you want access?

Jail
 
05.11.2008 at 03:23PM PDT, ID: 21543733

Rank: Wizard

Maybe it's not backup they want but it looks like they want to be able to access a second copy for some reason - maybe static data mining.
 
05.12.2008 at 05:11AM PDT, ID: 21546145
We would like to use the Windows server (running Backup Exec) to be able to backup the DSK and VMX files directly, without having to pull over the network instead.

Since we have a few large DSK files, we figured the best method of accessing it was by connecting it directly to the SAN through the fibre channel.

So yes, this is for backup purposes.
 
05.12.2008 at 05:57AM PDT, ID: 21546469
If it's for backup then present a snapshot/clone to it.
 
05.12.2008 at 06:11AM PDT, ID: 21546600
Wouldn't a snapshot clone require another storage media that is identical in size?

If that is the case then I don't have that storage to push a clone to.

Any other ideaS?
 
05.12.2008 at 07:18AM PDT, ID: 21547183

Rank: Master

Hi

If is for backup you don't need to do that

From your Virtual Center, install VCB and use this to backup all the files you need. You can backup full VM, or specific files from the VMs

Here is some examples:

http://www.petri.co.il/vmware-consolidated-backup-utilities.htm

Also you can use in the Virtual Center the tool WinSCP to connect to your VMware Servers, and to the LUNs. From that you can copy from the VMware Server to the Virtual Center

Or you can use in your VMware backup scripts to backup the files to any LUN

Use this:

http://www.xtravirt.com/index.php?option=com_remository&Itemid=75&func=fileinfo&id=7

Or another to backup configuration files

http://www.xtravirt.com/index.php?option=com_remository&Itemid=75&func=fileinfo&id=20

So there are very different ways to backup your files.

To have a good comunication and better performance between copy VMware and Virtual Center, add the Virtual Center host to your Storage configuration on the LUNs that you want to backup.

Jail
 
05.12.2008 at 07:48AM PDT, ID: 21547447
I will try this when we get VC and VI3 and let you know how it goes.
 
05.13.2008 at 03:12AM PDT, ID: 21553544
All you need to do is zone the backup server to the CX, your backup exec and vcb will read the data on the disks but the backup server does not have to be host in order to read the LUNS, this is taken care of through VC
 
05.15.2008 at 01:12PM PDT, ID: 21577541
So I can still have a direct connection to the SAN to access the dsk and vmx files?

By CX do you mean the Dell CX?

We use two Brocade SAN switches.
 
05.15.2008 at 03:23PM PDT, ID: 21578450

Rank: Master

Hi

Yes you can have access to the SAN and vmx files(or others) through Virtual Center Server

Like i said before add your Virtual Center host in your Storage LUNs, to have a better performance.

Jail
 
05.15.2008 at 09:08PM PDT, ID: 21579917
That is right. On the switch side you need to zone the CX, VMWare hosts and backup server all together and that is it really. On your backup server in disk manager you will see the disks (LUNS) on the CX but you will not be able to browse them from My Computer like a typical drive. In backup exec you will select which VM to backup. If you have a look in backup exec at a complete job you will see the vmx files that are backed up.
 
05.16.2008 at 05:34AM PDT, ID: 21582094
We do not use CX we have Brocade.
 
 
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