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Problem Cloning Netbook SATA Hard Drive Using Acronis True Image & Norton Ghost

Asked by: williamzNet

Hi!

I just got a Toshiba Netbook 100 and I want to take an image of it's hard drive.  I can get Acronis True Image to boot from a USB memory stick, but it cannot find any hard drives.

The drive on the machine is SATA and I have had this problem with other older SATA computer from version 9-11.  Is there a way around this as it's kind of looking like Acronis aren't really up to speed on SATA...

I did think of getting Norton Ghost 14, but the netbook doesn't have a CD drive and Norton's website implies that you can only use a CD to boot to the recovery environment.  Does anyone know if you can boot to a usb drive instead?

 I downloaded the trial version, but Symantec don't seem to understand the idea that a trial product is supposed to let you see if the software fits your needs and doesn't give access to (or to creating) a recovery disk in the trial version.  

I did wonder if the lights out recovery would work for me, but there is no real idea of how this feature works and again, its unavailable on the 'trial' version.  I want to build a series of images of the laptop as I get it working and install other OS on it - can I run the lights out from a different partition?  Can it access USB and SATA drives?

Thanks in advance for any help

Dave

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Answers

 

by: PUNKYPosted on 2009-01-17 at 09:53:20ID: 23401630

You can clone within windows and that should work. Install Acronis, and do live imaging.

 

by: williamzNetPosted on 2009-01-17 at 10:36:52ID: 23401786

Thanks for the reply Punky!

The problem isn't taking images - I can do that successfully in Windows with Acronis.  The problem is restoring the images.

I need to be able to boot into an environment that can see the netbook's SATA hard drives.  I would prefer to boot from a USB memory stick.  Splitting the drive into 3 partitions would be possible (XP, Ubuntu and recovery partition).  Booting from CD is a distant third as it requires a bulky external CD rom and PSU.

I have been googling and found a couple of other options - R-tools make drive image and Terabyte make Image for Windows.  Both sound like they might work, but I am not sure about the image recovery...

Regards,

Dave

 

by: PUNKYPosted on 2009-01-17 at 10:40:09ID: 23401806

Use Acronis to create rescue boot disk, insert that boot disk and select boot order to boot from usb external DVD/CD .... that will map the drive for you to restore image to system.

 

by: williamzNetPosted on 2009-01-17 at 12:34:13ID: 23402311

Thanks again Punky!

I have used Acronis to create a bootable flash drive and I can get into acronis.  The problem is that it reports that there are no drives on the computer.  I presume that booting from a CD will give the same result?  I don't have access to one to try it out at the moment, but the errors that I get (see below) suggest that the recovery environment cannot talk to the SATA drives.

I have tried setting the controller to compatibility in the bios rather than AHIC.  I also had another machine a while ago that exhibited the same problem with SATA drives - I never got round to solving that one...

If I press F11 while booting and delete the 'quiet' command, the verbose load show that every time the program tries to communicate with a SATA channel it gets no response.  This leads to about a five minute load by the time it has tried a couple of times and reported either errors or time outs.

Regards,

Dave

 

by: PUNKYPosted on 2009-01-17 at 14:33:33ID: 23402795

Did you install Acronis on Toshiba Netbook 100 and created image as well as the rescue boot disk on same system? If you make rescue boot disk from other machine and it will not work.

 

by: williamzNetPosted on 2009-01-18 at 04:57:34ID: 23404738

Thanks again!

Yes, the rescue disk was created on the netbook.  

Do you know if Acronis uses linux for it's rescue environment?  I am about to start a new question on linux, as I have downloaded Slax and managed to boot into it and KDE.  The thing is, it takes ages as you keep on getting errors from SATA1 etc, similar to what I seen when booting into Acronis.  When you eventually get into KDE, you can see the USB drive that you boot from, but the HD is not available.

I am getting the impression that Linux cannot work with the storage controller.  Seems to be a standard one though (Intel 82801G or ICH7M/MDH - not sure which as there  are 2 enteries in Windows Device Manager).

Regards,

Dave

 

by: williamzNetPosted on 2009-02-01 at 04:49:37ID: 23521132

Update:

Acronis confirm that there is something wrong with their retail version of True Image.  They did give me a link to download an iso of a fixed version, but that doesn't work either!

Does anyone know of a disk cloner that works with the Intel 82801G or ICH7M/MDH chipset (not sure which as there  are 2 enteries in Windows Device Manager)?  I tried the one by R-Tools as I have some software for recovering files from them and it's excellent, but that one doesn't work either.

In fact, given that they all seem to use linux, I am wondering if it's something to do with linux.  If I boot from a USB drive with SLAX on it, that can't see the drives etiher...

Dave

 

by: PUNKYPosted on 2009-02-01 at 09:53:43ID: 23522091

You should not worry about that. If you created image with Acronis from windows, and also use the rescue boot-disk created by Acronis, you might try disable AHCI and set IDE mode .... it should see the drive when you try restore.

Other than that is to remove the drive out of system and hookup on other system, then clone the image. Put back the drive, you might run repair install.

 

by: williamzNetPosted on 2009-02-01 at 10:13:12ID: 23522160

Thanks Punky,

I already tried the compatibilty mode, but Acronis wont boot in that mode.  About half way through while initialising the disk communication it gets stuck in a loop of timeouts and wont go any further.  It will boot in AHCI but it can't see any drives.

As for taking the drive out, that is unfortunately more trouble than it's worth.  The netbook only has a case slot for memory upgrades - the whole case would have to come off.

To be honest, I have kind of had it with Acronis anyway.  I had created an image of my desktop with it, but with this problem I have found that the image will be useless if I need it as my desktop also has SATA drives.  Acronis say that they have fixed the problem, but the 'fix' is not present on their latest download version and the patched ISO that they supp[ly with the 'fix' on it doesn't work.

I might not need imaging software often, but I do need it to be reliable...

Regards,

Dave

 

by: williamzNetPosted on 2009-02-06 at 04:03:04ID: 23568908

I have found the solution!!!

Acronis may produce software that is easy to use and feature rich, but that doesn't count for much if you can't use it...

A bit of research and I found Terabyte's Image for Windows.  It's a bit confusing in places and the DOS restore is a bit of a pig to look at (plus some confusing options), but it works!!  Linux partition cloned, restored and booted from and it works.  Windows partition cloned, restored and booted from!!

;D ;D ;D

As far as I can see, Acronis have had something like 3 years to sort SATA support and haven't managed it.  Props to Terabyte, I just switched!!!!

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