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Norton Ghost 12 Recovery Environment does not recognize internal drive with image

Asked by: TSimonick

I'm trying to restore an image that is on an internal drive, after my C: drive died, but the recovery disk will not recognize my drives that is on a SATA host controller board, an Adaptec 1205SA (SiI 3112A) with bios version 4.2.11 I can load the driver but I can't get ghost to find the drive. I have done this in the past and it did work. Any ideas?
Thanks,
Tom

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2008-12-19 at 21:47:07ID24000183
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Answers

 

by: xuserx2000Posted on 2008-12-19 at 22:03:58ID: 23217323

Can you go into the bios and verify that the system sees the drive..?
also...
Have you partitioned and formatted the drive ?

 

by: nobusPosted on 2008-12-20 at 01:24:26ID: 23217593

set your sata to ide, or combined mode in t he bios

 

by: nobusPosted on 2008-12-20 at 01:25:16ID: 23217595

if you don't know how, post the mobo or pc model

 

by: Expert4XPPosted on 2008-12-20 at 06:14:28ID: 23218226

I believe that the drivers for Adaptec 1205SA SATA are NOT on the Ghost 12boot cd.  That's why it won't recognize the drive when booting.

There is a prompt early in booting from the CD to "press F6 for ...", which is to allow you to insert a diskette with the driver on it. (yes I know most people don't have floppy drives now.  You would have to have your Adaptec drivers already on diskette.

You are supposed to be able to create a custom boot cd with Ghost 12/14 for special cases, but it sounds like you didn't do that and haven't tested your boot recovery cd prior to your failure.

 

by: TSimonickPosted on 2008-12-20 at 07:40:37ID: 23218643

I did create a custom recovery cd, but it doesn't see the driver. I tried the Ghost CD and looked for the F6 prompt, but it never comes up. In my BIOS, I see the new hard drive on the motherboard and during the early part of the boot, I see the two drives that are on the Adaptec board, one of which is the drive containing my images. i just realized that one of the two drives on the Adaptec board is visible in Ghost, but not the drive that has the recovery points. Any ideas why that is the case?

I did not format the new C: drive, I thought Ghost did that as part of its recovery. Should I run the XP install, and load the base OS, then boot from the recovery disk? I really don't see any instructions from Symantec on how to use Ghost on a newly installed drive that will be the system drive.

 

by: Expert4XPPosted on 2008-12-20 at 07:50:58ID: 23218673

You do NOT need to pre-format the new drive.  That is what Ghost does for you:  your drive fails, you buy a new blank one, install it, boot from recovery cd and restore your backup image to the new/blank/unformatted drive.  (I keep my backup image-files on an external usb2 hard drive.)

Are you sure that the drive that is visible in Ghost is the one with your backup image files?  They would be .v2i files.

Is the Adaptec a pci card that supports SATA drives?

 

by: Expert4XPPosted on 2008-12-20 at 08:15:56ID: 23218753

After booting from the Recovery CD, did you try selecting "browse for other recovery points"?  Hard for me to understand why the Windows PE recovery environment would recognize just one drive unless that is the one that is formatted (the other new one of course isn't)

 

by: Expert4XPPosted on 2008-12-20 at 08:19:23ID: 23218756

 

by: nobusPosted on 2008-12-20 at 08:27:30ID: 23218789

did you check the sata settings in the bios? as i asked ?

 

by: Expert4XPPosted on 2008-12-20 at 08:38:09ID: 23218819

Nobus, good thought, but I don't think he has SATA support on his motherboard/bios.  Otherwise he wouldn't need the Adaptec SATA pci card?  Unless he had too many sata drives for the motherboard support.

 

by: TSimonickPosted on 2008-12-20 at 08:38:37ID: 23218821

First, I appreciate all of your help!

I am using the correct Adaptec driver. The board is a SATA board and has worked for years with my Seagate SATA drives. I ran the Seagate Tools and did the short test on each drive, including the new drive. No problems. My drives are C: on the motherboard, then a D: and E: on the Adaptec. Ghost sees just the D:, which is my "data/documents" drive, but not E: which is dedicated to holding my images/recovery points.

I have restored once or twice a couple of years ago, but not since then. I'm sure that at that time Ghost (9 or 10) saw the drives on the Adaptec.

 

by: nobusPosted on 2008-12-20 at 08:44:21ID: 23218835

maybe the card died with your disk..

 

by: Expert4XPPosted on 2008-12-20 at 08:45:38ID: 23218838

Ok.  Just as a troubleshooting technique, sometimes Ghost doesn't complete the enumeration of all the drives.  So try this:

Unplug any/all external usb2 drives, card readers, usb2 hubs etc.  Also unplug any another devices (parallel port etc.)  I've seen many cases where Ghost refused to recognize a usb2 drive on boot up because of some other device that Ghost got "stuck" on.

Then boot from the CD

 

by: Expert4XPPosted on 2008-12-20 at 12:42:46ID: 23219556

>>  I'm sure that at that time Ghost (9 or 10) saw the drives on the Adaptec.

Try this:  boot from your Ghost 9 recovery cd and see if your SATA drives are recognized.  Symantec changed its recovery environment software in version 10 of Ghost, so the Ghost 9 one is different.  (You will probably get the F6 prompt for Ghost 9).

I believe that you can restore a Ghost 10/12/14 recovery point (aka backup image file) using Ghost 9 boot CD.  I don't think that the data structure has changed.

At any rate, booting from the Ghost 9 CD will verify whether or not you can browse and read your recovery point on the newer sata drive.

As a last resort, you can always purchase a usb2/sata enclosure and put your drive in that, connect it to the pc and see if Ghost 12 will recognize the sata drive in the usb2 enclosure.  This lets you test the new enclosure in another pc as well just to verify.

 

by: nobusPosted on 2008-12-20 at 23:46:55ID: 23221082

>>  I'm sure that at that time Ghost (9 or 10) saw the drives on the Adaptec  this tells me the disk signature does not reach the program; this can be caused by a bad setting in the bios, or a bad bios, a bad disk, a bad mobo, or a bad card imho

 

by: TSimonickPosted on 2008-12-21 at 06:59:28ID: 23222014



I'm just about at the point of loading XP and rebuilding, but I changed the configuration so that my new C: drive is still on SATA port 0 of the Intel D875PBZmotherboard, E: with the images is on SATA port 1 and D:, the data drive is by itself on the Adaptec. I ran Seagate tools and it saw and "passed" all of the drives.


BIOS: Drive Config: SATA Port -0 New Seagate, Port-1, Ghost Image drive. PATA Primary Master is DVD burner. ATA/IDE is Enhanced.
BOOT: Boot Device Priority is DVD burner, new drive. Hard Drives: 1st Drive: [PM-ST3500320AS] (new drive), 2nd Drive: [SM-ST3500320AS] (images), 3rd Drive: [ST3200822AS] ("data").
On boot, the Adaptec card and the ST3200822AS is displayed.


Loading Ghost: the new drive on Port-0 is shown, but not the Image drive on Port-1. (If nothing else, I know that F6 on Ghost 12 doesn't bring up the driver install dialog).

 
During the load of XP, when it shows what drives are available, is the following what you would expect?:
476 MB Disk0 at ID0 on Bus 0 on ATAPI
Unpartitioned 476
476 MB Disk0 at ID0 on Bus 0 on ATAPI
-:Partition1 [Dynamic Volume] 476 (0 MB Free)
190 MB Disk0 at ID0 on Bus0 on SiL3112
D: Partition1 (Data) [NTFS] 170 MB Free

Why would the the name (Data) and formatting [NTFS] for D: display its info, but E: with my images, is just listed as Partition1 [Dynamic Volume] ?

Thanks for any thoughts

 

by: Expert4XPPosted on 2008-12-21 at 07:14:19ID: 23222054

I didn't realize you have SATA ports directly on your motherboard.

I wonder what would happen if you do this:
1. shut down pc
2. Remove Adaptec card
3. Connect your new/blank drive to port0 and image backup drive to port1
4. Boot from Ghost 12 cd.

Seems like Ghost could be getting confused between having both motherboard and Adaptec sata.  (You can put pci card back in with your data disk later if this all works)

 

by: nobusPosted on 2008-12-21 at 07:34:39ID: 23222135

i think it is because it is dynamic...

 

by: TSimonickPosted on 2008-12-22 at 11:47:34ID: 23229004

As suggested I removed the Adaptec card, but that didn't work. I gave up and installed XP on the new drive. When I looked in Disk Management, my E: drive with the images was labeled Dynamic and "Foreign". I have no idea why it was marked Foreign. I "Imported" it, then loaded Ghost and made and tested a new recovery DVD. I booted off the recovery DVD and now I saw all of my hard drives. I selected a recovery point and the image overwrote C: The computer appears to be working fine, so far.....

So, Ghost doesn't like Dynamic disks and/or a Foreign partition really screws things up. Ghost has been creating recovery points on the dynamic disk for six months with no errors, but I'm going to convert the dynamic to a basic disk.

 Thanks to both of you for your ideas.

 

by: Expert4XPPosted on 2008-12-22 at 11:57:19ID: 23229090

Nobus, hats off to your suggestion!

I've never used dynamic disks myself, but Ghost 12 is supposed to support them.

ftp://ftp.symantec.com/public/english_us_canada/products/ghost/12/manuals/ngh_12_readme.htm
If you want to use a dynamic disk as your backup destination, you should run the Symantec Recovery Disk to see if the dynamic disk is accessible. You must have access to the recovery points stored in your backup destination in order to recover your computer.

Also, here is the Ghost 12 manual which also says that dynamic disks are supported:
ftp://ftp.symantec.com/public/english_us_canada/products/ghost/12/manuals/ngh_12_user_guide.pdf

Supported File Systems:  Norton Ghost supports FAT16, FAT16X, FAT32, FAT32X, NTFS, dynamic disks, Linux Ext2,
Linux Ext3, and Linux swap partitions.

Glad you got it working regardless.  Congratulations!

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