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DOS USB drivers for Sony DRX-510UL DVD burner

I have purchased a Sony DRX-510UL DVD burner for the sole intent of burning a backup image of my PC for disaster recovery. The DVD came with Veritas (now StompInc) Simple Backup. In Simple Backup it allows the creation of EBD (Emergency Boot Disks) which specify the backup media being used (the Sony DVD burner). As I am sure you are aware, USB is a connection and not a device that cab be booted from. OK...but I have the boot disk and all I want to do is read the image from the DVD burner so I need DOS USB drivers to support. I call Sony and they say they do not have drivers and that the DVD burner is spec'd to be used only with OS. Why package software and say can do image restore...? Their tech guy agrees but I am left in dust. So now I go to Symantec (Norton System Works 2003)  Ghost which offers some USB support. I burn EBD in Ghost with USB drivers but still doesn't work. I want to burn backup images for all my PC's (with different OS - XP, 2000, 98, 98SE, ME) so I need DVD to operate in DOS with some software backup package ( suggestions??) so I can create and restore images.
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I am sorry but I stand corrected. The driver (usbaspi.sys) provides connectivity and is recognized but I still can't get it to work with Ghost or Simple Backup. It recognizes the drive but fails to write to it and appends "ghosterr.txt" back to my floppy.

Do I need to resubmit this with points?
I was hoping your acceptance wasn't premature - oh well.

Let's keep working on it while you post into the CS group for the points to be refunded - or this question to be reset to "unanswered" - however the Moderators do that.  They'll be able to look here (give them the link) and see I have no objections.

More ideas soon....

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Thanks.....I can send you boot disk files if that helps? Looked really good when Ghost booted. With Veritas there is a .dat file that can be modified. I'm just not sure on the modifications.
Wherever you think we need to go on this. I just can't believe that the manufacturers wouldn't have addressed this before. Why would I buy backup DVD hardware and software if I can't use it. Sorry for the rant......and really.....Thanks!
Ok, here's what I have at the moment.  Sorry it's just a big pile of data right now.  I tried to sort the semi-useful stuff to the top - the later stuff is mostly informational.

In your Autoexec.bat, are you mapping the optical drive?

MSCDEX.EXE /D:USBCD001 /L:f
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> For troubleshooting USB connections, install all your devices and boot from your diskette with this in CONFIG.SYS:

device=USBASPI.SYS /w /v
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These are Windows self-extracting file format for Panasonic driver files for different OEM drives. Besides USBASPI.SYS in the F2H subdirectory, some other useful drivers are:

USBCD.SYS v1.00 from Panasonic, USB CD-ROM device driver
RAMFD.SYS v1.01 from Panasonic, copies boot floppy disk contents into a RAM disk, write protects and remaps the RAM disk drive letter.

Since USBASPI.SYS just maps a USB storage device to an ASPI device, an additional driver is needed to map the ASPI mass storage to a DOS drive letter. For magnetic or flash storage, the "Motto Hairu" driver includes this important piece, and can be downloaded from:

http://www.driver.novac.co.jp/driver/Mhairu_351u_drv/mhairudos.zip
http://www.stefan2000.com/darkehorse/PC/DOS/Drivers/USB/mhairu.zip 
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This text is taken from (https://www.codidirect.com/shop/thefactsbehindbootability.htm)

" Modern BIOSes add support for USB in one form or another. The most basic support available is known as USB Legacy Device Support. This extension to the PC BIOS supports the use of a USB keyboard and mouse during the boot process. It simply means your keyboard and mouse will work as soon as the PC is turned on.

Many modern BIOS also support, in a limited fashion, the ability to boot from a USB device. Support for this feature does not automatically mean you can boot from any USB device. It means you can boot from some USB devices. Currently, for most BIOS, this means a USB floppy drive. However, some BIOS that claim to support booting from a USB hard disk contain bugs that prevent them from doing so properly, and may require patches or upgrades.

Some BIOS also support booting from a USB zip drive or CDROM but again this is an exception, not the rule.

Support in the BIOS for booting from a USB device is accomplished through "IDE Emulation". IDE Emulation lets the BIOS scan the computer's USB ports looking for actual IDE devices or devices that look like (emulate) an IDE device. So, if a BIOS supports booting from a USB floppy drive, it will look for a real USB floppy drive or another device that can emulate the behavior of a USB floppy drive. " 

Note that for an OS/driver/application to take over a USB controller, it has to follow a specific protocol, as failure to do so could result in hanging.

From my tests:
1. Generally, USBASPI.SYS is incompatible with systems where Legacy USB support is enabled if the Legacy mode enables IDE/floppy emulation.
2. When USB legacy is enabled and the USB storage is set as bootable, it becomes the 1st hard drive (C:). and the internal ATAPI drive becomes the 2nd hard drive (D:)
3. When USB legacy is enabled but not the boot device, USB storage is still mapped as a typical ATAPI drive in DOS mode.
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Maybe, after the drive is recognized in DOS, we need to use a Win98 (DOS-like) driver to get full functionality?

http://sony.storagesupport.com/dvdrw/drx510uldwn.htm

I think my next stop is Symantec for clues - not that they're often helpful...
Symantec says Ghost 8.0 they work with the model before yours (is your firmware up to date?)

BRAND: Sony
MODEL:  DRU-500ULX
FIRMWARE:  1.0d
INTERFACE:  USB/FireWire
MEDIA:  DVD + - NOTE: DVD-RW is not supported.

You can look here, too, and see - it looks like we're NOT supposed to load drivers for the DVD drive before launching Ghost - but you've tried it this way and it doesn't work?

http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/ghost.nsf/docid/2000110312324125?Open&src=ent&docid=2003081215321125&nsf=ghost.nsf&view=d87bb6ce0bde286d88256d6a00452701&dtype=corp&prod=Symantec%20Ghost&ver=8.0&osv=&osv_lvl=

That'll probably be it from me today -- more info in about 16 hours.
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OK...let me test. Thanks for help e_sandrs!

Modulo...thanks. :-)
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You've got drivers to connect to the USB DVDROM.  And you can recognise it.

But Ghost does not write to DVDROMs.  It writes to hard disks.

You can use Ghost to restore from this DVDROM but again, it can't write to it.
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http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/ghost.nsf/c92aa8e61de62ad08825694a0011cf3b/d1287a0715eb51448825670b0068c4d2?OpenDocument&src=bar_sch_nam

Link above is Symantec support for burning images to DVD+R/-R....so yes I can burn to DVD. Not being mean but if I followed your argument above then how can I restore from the DVD if I can't burn to it to begin with. Maybe you and I are mixed up on words...write versus burn? There again I appreciate ALL the help and I am not being a wise-butt.

Updated firmware from 1.0d to 1.0f     No change

Looks like everything is going to work fine, Ghost checks file structure then I get the following application error:

Application Error 12020
Write to CD/DVD disc failed. Contact Symantec Tech SUpport.

Ghost Help file does not list error 12020 so I don't know specific.

USB legacy article above is interesting as related to IDE emulation as my BIOS (Phoenix BIOS 4.0 Release 6) searches USB (my DVD lights up at boot) as it looks for keyboard/mouse. More universal look to problem but is there REALLY anything out there that allows USB boot?

I have also tried adding the files inside Ghost in Advanced Settings tab. It allows adding files and writing direct to config.sys and autoexec.bat. I added device=usbaspi.sys /w /v to config.sys. Totally bombed here. This is exactly what I added to floppy boot created and like I said...it at least recognizes the drive and allows me to select it before getting the Application Error after checking the directory structure.

Can send floppy zipped with files???
From your link is this heading

How to restore an image from a CD or DVD disc

It's not talking about saving an image but restoring it.

This link talks about writing to a CDR disk with Ghost

http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/ghost.nsf/docid/2000110208385725?Open&src=bar_sch_nam&docid=1999020111084825&nsf=ghost.nsf&view=c92aa8e61de62ad08825694a0011cf3b&dtype=&prod=&ver=&osv=&osv_lvl=

This link

http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/ghost.nsf/docid/2001050913312225?Open&src=bar_sch_nam&docid=2000110208385725&nsf=ghost.nsf&view=docid&dtype=&prod=&ver=&osv=&osv_lvl=

talks about how to determine if Ghost can access the CDR drive.

I think you need to read it.  And check your GHOST.ERR file

{ But I do stand corrected.  Ghost CAN write to CDR drives }
Have you tried turning compression off?
Can you post the ghost error file?
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Here is the Ghost help file Chapter 8 from SystemWorks 2003....Ghost supports writing to and restoring from DVD media. The DVD is not bootable but I can burn an image to it.

Backing up and restoring
with CD-R/RW and DVDR/
RW
This chapter includes the following topics:
■ Image files and CD/DVD writers
■ Saving an image file directly to a CD-R/RW or DVD-R/RW drive
■ Saving an image file to an unsupported CD-R/RW or DVD-R/RW drive
112 Backing up and restoring with CD-R/RW and DVD-R/RW
Image files and CD/DVD writers
Image files and CD/DVD writers
Norton Ghost support of SCSI and IDE CD and DVD writers allows the storage
of a single image file onto one or more CD-R/RW or DVD-R/RW. Norton Ghost
supports many CD and DVD drives. If you have problems writing to CD-R/RW
or DVD-R/RW, then check that your drive is listed on the support Web site,
http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/ghost.nsf/docid/2002030414141625
If you run Norton Ghost from a Windows wizard, it searches for a CD/DVD
writer with media inserted and automatically selects this writer.
When you use CD/DVD writers with Ghost.exe, you can select a writer as the
destination device in the File Locator window. Each writer is shown as CD-Rx,
where x is a number starting at one and increasing incrementally for each writer
present. For example, the following screen shows a CD writer available for use.
For Norton Ghost to access SCSI CD/DVD writers, a DOS ASPI driver must be
installed prior to use. The Backup and Clone Wizards attempt to detect and
install the driver automatically, but you may have to select the drivers in the
Advanced Settings. When creating a Ghost boot disk from the Ghost Boot
Wizard, you must include the Adaptec ASPI drivers.
See “Standard boot disks” on page 76.
Norton Ghost should work with most SCSI and IDE writers produced in 2000 or
later. It may or may not work with older models. Use the latest firmware available
for your CD/DVD writer. An IDE CD/DVD writer performs best if it is mounted
on the secondary IDE controller.
A list of CD/DVD writers with which Norton Ghost has been tested is available
on the Symantec Service and Support Web site:
http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/ghost.nsf/docid/2002030414141625
113 Backing up and restoring with CD-R/RW and DVD-R/RW
Saving an image file directly to a CD-R/RW or DVD-R/RW drive
If your CD/DVD device is not listed on the Web site, use the Integrity Check
Wizard to ensure that your image can be restored. The Integrity Check Wizard
performs a dummy restore and confirms that your CD/DVD drive is compatible
with Norton Ghost.
Table 8-1 lists the media that you should use with CD and DVD writers and the
action that Norton Ghost takes.
When you create an image on CD/DVD, you can make the CD/DVD bootable.
The Backup Wizard does this automatically, but when you create an image from
Ghost.exe, then you need an appropriate boot disk created with the Ghost Boot
Wizard to make the CD/DVD bootable.
See “Standard boot disks” on page 76.
Saving an image file directly to a CD-R/RW or DVDR/
RW drive
You can save an image file directly to a CD or DVD. You can also make the CD/
DVD bootable.
When writing an image file directly to a CD-R/RW or DVD-R/RW, note the
following:
■ The CD/DVD drive must be compatible with Norton Ghost.
■ Norton Ghost automatically spans CD-R/RW disks if necessary. You do not
need to use a spanning switch on the command line.
See “Image files and volume spanning” on page 63.
■ If the CD-RW/DVD-RW contains existing data, Norton Ghost prompts you
to confirm that you want the data erased.
Table 8-1 CD and DVD media
Type of drive Media
CD-R Blank
CD-RW Prompts to erase existing data before writing new data
DVD-R Blank
DVD-RW Prompts to erase existing data before writing new data
DVD+R Blank
DVD+RW Prompts to overwrite existing data
114 Backing up and restoring with CD-R/RW and DVD-R/RW
Saving an image file to an unsupported CD-R/RW or DVD-R/RW drive
If Norton Ghost does not support your CD-R/RW drive and the image file is too
large to fit on one CD, you can still save the image file to CD.
See “Saving an image file to an unsupported CD-R/RW or DVD-R/RW drive” on
page 114.
Saving an image file to an unsupported CD-R/RW or
DVD-R/RW drive
Not all CD-R/RW/DVD drives are supported by Norton Ghost. If your drive is
unsupported, you can create an image file and then write it to CD/DVD using
third-party software.
If your drive is unsupported, and the image file is too large to fit onto one disk,
you can still save the image file to CD/DVD.
There are two methods of saving an image file to an unsupported CD-R/RW/
DVD drive:
■ Splitting the image file while creating it
■ Splitting the image file after it has been created
The image file is initially saved to another partition or hard disk and then copied
to a CD-R/RW/DVD disk using your CD/DVD recording software.
To save an image file onto a CD, you must split the image file into files that fit on
a CD-ROM. Split the image into files that are not larger than 620 MB. This leaves
room on a CD for any additional files that you might need or any difference in
the capacity of the CD.
Note: Some CD/DVD writers let you write directly to the CD-RW/DVD as if to a
drive letter. This is not supported by Norton Ghost.
See “Using third-party software to write to the CD-R/RW disc” on page 200.
115 Backing up and restoring with CD-R/RW and DVD-R/RW
Saving an image file to an unsupported CD-R/RW or DVD-R/RW drive
Splitting an image file during a backup
To split an image file as it is created, run Norton Ghost from the command line in
DOS, using the -split and -autoname switches.
To split an image file as it is created
1 Start Ghost.exe using the -split and -auto switches.
For example:
a:\ghost.exe -split=600 -auto
See “Starting the Norton Ghost executable” on page 93.
2 Create and save the image file.
See “Creating a backup image file” on page 97.
The -split command in this example limits the image size to a maximum of 600
megabytes for any one segment. The -auto switch names each of the segments
numerically.
See “Command-line switches” on page 153.
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Here is the GHOSTERR.txt  file



********************************
Date   : Wed Jan 21 21:20:47 2004
Error Number: (12020)
Message: Write to CD/DVD disc failed
Version: 2003.789 (May 28 2003, Build=789)
Command line arguments:
Active Switches :
       Spanning
       AutoName
ProgMode            : PROG_LOCAL
PathName            : \IO.SYS
DumpFile            : @CD-R1
DumpPos             : 3916
File64 buffersize   : 0
FlagImplode         : 0
FlagExplode         : 0

Operation Details :
  Total size.........0
  MB copied..........0
  MB remaining.......0
  Percent complete...0%
  Speed..............0MB/min
  Time elapsed.......0:00  
  Time remaining.....0:00  

Program Call Stack
Generic_Abort
cdDeviceCommand::cdAbort
cdDeviceCommand::Write
DumpWrite
CloneSend
BrSndCloneFile
BrSendDir
BrSendClone
DumpFatPartition
ProcessFATPartition
CopyPartition
ProcessAllPartitions
CopyAllPartitions
CopyDiskToFile
CopyMainline
AttemptOperation
sub_main
main

Call Stack
  0x0023b6a7
  0x0006b0bf
  0x0006a36c
  0x0006a1e1
  0x0006b7fa
  0x0009f46e
  0x000a0af1
  0x00027bf7
  0x0004609b
  0x0004b3af
  0x0004b65a
  0x0004b7e1
  0x0004b88d
  0x0004ca13
  0x0002d8f9
  0x0002cfc9
  0x0002ce03
  0x0002b906
  0x000022c5
  0x000023f3
  0x00004426
  0x0000370b
  0x00248da8
End Call Stack


Start heap available: 329777152
Cur   heap available: 253100032
Total Memory:         334430208

Conventional Memory
Inital Conventional Memory Size = 448496
Current Conventional Memory Size = 309232
Allocated
   1024 DpmiDjgpp.cpp:59
  33504 ghost.cpp:913
   2048 IdeDmaServerPci.cpp:132
    528 IdeDmaServerPci.cpp:132
   2048 AspiAdapterDos.cpp:87
    176 AspiAdapterDos.cpp:88
     32 DiskDriveAccessExInt13.cpp:107
Free
     16 MsdosFile.cpp:92
     80 AspiServerDos.cpp:103
    512 DiskDriveAccessInt13.cpp:176
  32768 LfoDeviceCommand.cpp:80

Fat details:
  SRC:
  FatType..........32
  first_sect.......63
  ClusterSize......32768
  clusters.........2500507
  root_next_avail..0
  data_next_avail..0
  dir_sector.......39104
  root_sector......39104
  data_sector......39104
  FAT_sector.......3524

NTFS details:
----------------

NTFS Global Flags:
----------------
       contiguousWrite=1 forceDiskClusterMapping=0
       inhibitCHKDSK=1 ignoreBadLog=0 ignoreCHKDSKBit=0
       enable_cache=0 xfrbuflen=0
       last_attr_type = 0
----------------

CD-R library version 3-1-25   SONY    DVD RW DRU-510A 1.0d

CD diagnostic information:
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 0.00 SCSI  device count 2
 0.00 ATAPI device count 0
 0.00 cdrcoms 0 1 0
 0.00 cdrcoms 1 1 1
 0.00 CDRLIB_GetNewICdDrive
 0.00 000000000000000000000000 ERR  7000060000000012000000002800000000000000
 0.00 120000003e00000000000000 OK   058000325b000000534f4e592020202044564420
 0.00                               5257204452552d3531304120312e306420417567
 0.00                               3134202c32303033
 0.00 SONY    DVD RW DRU-510A 1.0d Aug14 ,2003        
 0.00 CdDrive::CdDrive
 0.00 000000000000000000000000 OK  
 0.00 000000000000000000000000 OK  
 0.00 120000003e00000000000000 OK   058000325b000000534f4e592020202044564420
 0.00                               5257204452552d3531304120312e306420417567
 0.00                               3134202c32303033
 0.05 5a002a000000000090000000 OK   004e4100000000002a461f17f17729230cfc0100
 0.05                               20000cfc000015a415a400010000000015a40003
 0.05                               000015a400000cfc
 0.05 2a461f17fffffff17729230cfffffffc010020000cfffffffc000015ffffffa4
 0.05 15ffffffa400010000000015ffffffa40003000015ffffffa400000cfffffffc
 0.05 00000affffffd200000000
 0.05 drive is MMC
 0.05 drive supports CD-R / CD-RW
 0.05 4600002a0000000208000000 OK   000000800000001b002a040c0100000002000000
 0.05                               00000000002b050401000000002c000403000000
 0.05                               002d080444003701
 0.05 drive supports DVD+RW
 0.05 4600002f0000000018000000 OK   000000500000001b002f04044600000001000300
 0.05                               01030004
 0.05 drive supports DVD-RW
 0.05 CdDrive::isCDWriter
 0.05 drive is a cd writer
 0.05 CdDrive::driveId
 0.05 SONY    DVD RW DRU-510A 1.0d
 0.05 CdDrive::isDVDWriter
 0.05 drive is a dvd writer
 0.05 CDRLIB_DeleteICdDrive
 0.05 CdDrive::~CdDrive
 0.05 CDRLIB_GetNewICdDrive
 0.05 000000000000000000000000 ERR  700002000000000a000000003a00000000000000
 0.05 120000003e00000000000000 OK   058000315b000000544f5348494241204456442d
 0.05                               524f4d2053442d4d31323132314c323230372f30
 0.05                               382f393900000000
 0.05 TOSHIBA DVD-ROM SD-M12121L2207/08/99
 0.05 CdDrive::CdDrive
 0.05 000000000000000000000000 ERR  700002000000000a000000003a00000000000000
 0.05 000000000000000000000000 ERR  700002000000000a000000003a00000000000000
 0.05 120000003e00000000000000 OK   058000315b000000544f5348494241204456442d
 0.05                               524f4d2053442d4d31323132314c323230372f30
 0.05                               382f393900000000
 0.05 5a002a000000000090000000 OK   00207000000000002a181f0075772923160d0010
 0.05                               0100160d00180000000000010000000000000000
 0.05                               0000000000000000
 0.05 2a181f0075772923160d00100100160d00180000000000010000000000000000
 0.05 00000000000000000000000000000000
 0.05 drive is MMC
 0.11 4600002a0000000208000000 OK   0000002000000000010003000103000407000010
 0.11                               01050300010600040000000101070000ffffffff
 0.11                               ffffffffffffffff
 0.11 4600002f0000000208000000 OK   0000002000000000010003000103000407000010
 0.11                               01050300010600040000000101070000ffffffff
 0.11                               ffffffffffffffff
 0.11 CdDrive::isCDWriter
 0.11 CdDrive::isDVDWriter
 0.11 CDRLIB_DeleteICdDrive
 0.11 CdDrive::~CdDrive
 0.11 CDRLIB_GetNewICdDrive
27.31 CDRLIB_GetNewICdDrive
27.31 000000000000000000000000 OK  
27.31 120000003e00000000000000 OK   058000325b000000534f4e592020202044564420
27.31                               5257204452552d3531304120312e306420417567
27.31                               3134202c32303033
27.31 SONY    DVD RW DRU-510A 1.0d Aug14 ,2003        
27.31 CdDrive::CdDrive
27.31 000000000000000000000000 OK  
27.31 000000000000000000000000 OK  
27.31 120000003e00000000000000 OK   058000325b000000534f4e592020202044564420
27.31                               5257204452552d3531304120312e306420417567
27.31                               3134202c32303033
27.31 5a002a000000000090000000 OK   004e4100000000002a461f17f17729230cfc0100
27.31                               20000cfc000015a415a400010000000015a40003
27.31                               000015a400000cfc
27.31 2a461f17fffffff17729230cfffffffc010020000cfffffffc000015ffffffa4
27.31 15ffffffa400010000000015ffffffa40003000015ffffffa400000cfffffffc
27.31 00000affffffd200000000
27.31 drive is MMC
27.31 drive supports CD-R / CD-RW
27.36 4600002a0000000208000000 OK   000000800000001b002a040c0100000002000000
27.36                               00000000002b050401000000002c000403000000
27.36                               002d080444003701
27.36 drive supports DVD+RW
27.36 4600002f0000000018000000 OK   000000500000001b002f04044600000001000300
27.36                               01030004
27.36 drive supports DVD-RW
27.36 000000000000000000000000 OK  
27.36 000000000000000000000000 OK  
27.36 000000000000000000000000 OK  
27.36 CdDrive::getMediaStatus
27.36 000000000000000000000000 OK  
27.36 000000000000000000000000 OK  
27.42 000000000000000000000000 OK  
27.42 4600002a0000000208000000 OK   000000800000001b002a040c0100000002000000
27.42                               00000000002b050401000000002c000403000000
27.42                               002d080444003701
27.42 510000000000000020000000 OK   0050050101010200000000000000000000000000
27.42                               002305400000000000000000
27.42 CdDrive::getMediaStatus
27.42 000000000000000000000000 OK  
27.42 000000000000000000000000 OK  
27.42 000000000000000000000000 OK  
27.47 4600002a0000000208000000 OK   000000800000001b002a040c0100000002000000
27.47                               00000000002b050401000000002c000403000000
27.47                               002d080444003701
27.47 510000000000000020000000 OK   0050050101010200000000000000000000000000
27.47                               002305400000000000000000
44.62 000000000000000000000000 ERR  7000020000000012000000000401000000000000
44.67 000000000000000000000000 ERR  7000020000000012000000000401000000000000
44.67 000000000000000000000000 ERR  7000020000000012000000000401000000000000
46.54 000000000000000000000000 ERR  7000020000000012000000000401000000000000
46.59 000000000000000000000000 ERR  7000020000000012000000000401000000000000
46.59 000000000000000000000000 ERR  7000020000000012000000000401000000000000
47.20 000000000000000000000000 ERR  7000020000000012000000000401000000000000
47.25 000000000000000000000000 ERR  7000020000000012000000000401000000000000
47.25 000000000000000000000000 ERR  7000020000000012000000000401000000000000
47.80 000000000000000000000000 ERR  7000020000000012000000000401000000000000
47.86 000000000000000000000000 ERR  7000020000000012000000000401000000000000
47.86 000000000000000000000000 ERR  7000020000000012000000000401000000000000
48.41 000000000000000000000000 ERR  7000020000000012000000000401000000000000
48.46 000000000000000000000000 ERR  7000020000000012000000000401000000000000
48.46 000000000000000000000000 ERR  7000020000000012000000000401000000000000
49.12 000000000000000000000000 ERR  7000020000000012000000000401000000000000
49.12 000000000000000000000000 ERR  7000020000000012000000000401000000000000
49.18 000000000000000000000000 ERR  7000020000000012000000000401000000000000
49.84 000000000000000000000000 ERR  7000060000000012000000002800000000000000
49.84 000000000000000000000000 OK  
49.84 000000000000000000000000 OK  
49.84 CdDrive::getMediaStatus
49.84 000000000000000000000000 OK  
49.89 000000000000000000000000 OK  
49.89 000000000000000000000000 OK  
49.89 4600002a0000000208000000 OK   000000800000001b002a040c0100000002000000
49.89                               00000000002b050401000000002c000403000000
49.89                               002d080444003701
49.89 510000000000000020000000 OK   0050000101010100000000000000000000000000
49.89                               002305400000000000000000
49.89 CdDrive::getMediaStatus
49.89 000000000000000000000000 OK  
49.89 000000000000000000000000 OK  
49.89 000000000000000000000000 OK  
49.95 4600002a0000000208000000 OK   000000800000001b002a040c0100000002000000
49.95                               00000000002b050401000000002c000403000000
49.95                               002d080444003701
49.95 510000000000000020000000 OK   0050000101010100000000000000000000000000
49.95                               002305400000000000000000
49.95 CdDrive::setFileImage
49.95 CdDrive::setBootImage
49.95 CdDrive::startWrite
49.95 000000000000000000000000 OK  
49.95 000000000000000000000000 OK  
49.95 000000000000000000000000 OK  
49.95 CdDrive::getMediaStatus
49.95 000000000000000000000000 OK  
49.95 000000000000000000000000 OK  
49.95 000000000000000000000000 OK  
50.00 4600002a0000000208000000 OK   000000800000001b002a040c0100000002000000
50.00                               00000000002b050401000000002c000403000000
50.00                               002d080444003701
50.00 510000000000000020000000 OK   0050000101010100000000000000000000000000
50.00                               002305400000000000000000
50.00 CdDrive::setMediaClass
50.00 CdDrive::getMediaStatus
50.00 000000000000000000000000 OK  
50.00 000000000000000000000000 OK  
50.00 000000000000000000000000 OK  
50.00 4600002a0000000208000000 OK   000000800000001b002a040c0100000002000000
50.00                               00000000002b050401000000002c000403000000
50.00                               002d080444003701
50.05 510000000000000020000000 OK   0050000101010100000000000000000000000000
50.05                               002305400000000000000000
50.05 DvdMinusRMedia::DvdMinusRMedia
50.05 Media is DVD-R or DVD+R
50.05 DvdMinusRMedia::startWrite
50.05 000000000000000000000000 OK  
50.05 000000000000000000000000 OK  
50.05 000000000000000000000000 OK  
50.05 000000000000000000000000 OK  
50.05 SimpleIso9660::init fileImage pointer value is 0
50.05 SimpleIso9660::init bootImage pointer value is 0
50.05 DvdStreaming::DvdStreaming
50.05 5a0005000000000050000000 OK   003a410000000000053260e70a10000020000000
50.05                               0020009600000000000000000000000000000000
50.05                               0000000000000000
50.05 053260ffffffe70a10000020000000002000ffffff9600000000000000000000
50.05 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
50.05 Mode select -
50.05 053260050810000000000000002000ffffff9600000000000000000000000000
50.05 00000000000000000000000000000000000000
50.05 55100000000000003c000000 OK   0000000000000000053260050810000000000000
50.05                               0020009600000000000000000000000000000000
50.05                               0000000000000000
50.11 52010000000100001c000000 OK   0026010100074101000000000000000000230540
50.11                               0000001000230540
50.16 5300000000000003e0000000 OK  
50.16 DvdStreaming::startWrite
50.16 52010000000200001c000000 OK   0026020100074101000003f0000003f000230150
50.16                               0000001000230150
50.16 DvdStreaming::writeFiles
50.16 52010000000200001c000000 OK   0026020100074101000003f0000003f000230150
50.16                               0000001000230150
94.56 DvdStreaming::writeData 512 bytes
94.56 DvdStreaming::writeData 2048 bytes
94.56 DvdStreaming::writeData 512 bytes
94.56 DvdStreaming::writeData 522 bytes
94.56 DvdStreaming::writeData 66 bytes
94.56 DvdStreaming::writeData 160 bytes
94.56 DvdStreaming::writeData 30 bytes
94.56 DvdStreaming::writeData 66 bytes
94.62 DvdStreaming::writeData 32778 bytes
94.67 2a00000003f0000010000000 ERR  0000000000000000000000000000000000000000
94.67 Write failed: attempt recovery
94.67 350000000000000000000000 ERR  0000000000000000000000000000000000000000
94.73 52010000000200001c000000 ERR  0000000000000000000000000000000000000000
94.73                               0000000000000000000000000000000000000000
94.73                               0000000000000000
95.38 CdDrive::driveId
95.38 SONY    DVD RW DRU-510A 1.0d

Disk Info :
  remote.............0
  drive..............0
  sectors_used.......20032992
  estimated_used.....26931939
  pemax..............1
  Version............760

 # Ord Boot Id Ext First    Num      Last     Used     NTFS
 0   0   80 c  No  00000063 20032992 20033055 26931938 No

Disk Info :
  remote.............0
  drive..............0
  sectors_used.......0
  estimated_used.....0
  pemax..............0
  Version............0

 # Ord Boot Id Ext First    Num      Last     Used     NTFS

Drive 128 Maxtor 6Y080P0 Y27079QE

Int 13h
Total Sectors     16434495
Bytes per Sector  512
MB                8024
Cylinders         1023
Heads             255
Sectors per Track 63

Extended Int 13h
Total Sectors     160086528
Bytes per Sector  512
MB                78167

IDE using PIO
Total Sectors     160086528
Bytes per Sector  512
MB                78167
Cylinders         16383
Heads             16
Sectors per Track 63

IDE using UDMA (Active)
Total Sectors     160086528
Bytes per Sector  512
MB                78167
Cylinders         16383
Heads             16
Sectors per Track 63

Remote Drives
AsyncIo : 0
Image Devices

Key      A:
Path     A:
Desc    
Type     Floppy

Key      C:
Path     C:
Desc     []
Type     Disk
Disk     0
Offset   63


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Forgot to answer this above

When given the option in GHOST to type of compression...I did try choosing none and still no luck.

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I will go out today and buy the -r media. Tried the CDR once and it worked fine until it went for the 2nd CD then the job bombed. I didn't have a spanning switch so I didn't think much of it then. That was the 1st time I used GHOST and when I decided to buy the DVD burner instead. I saw that an older version  of Sony was supported so I thought I was OK.

Rant: I just can't believe they (Sony) can promote the drive with the capability and the software (Simple Backup) and then they readily admit that the drive will not work in DOS. If I had an OS I would never need disaster recovery images. Great drive if you want to bootleg DVD's all day and they support that. Want to do something legal and they don't. You'd also think that Symantec would be jumping to help produce/facilitate DOS drivers and lead the market.
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Needs to be paq'd to 200 e_sandrs, 200 chicagoan, and 100 dbrunton.

Moderator reset question above but my "Accept" button never came back.

Have tried different media...didn't work. Am pursuing Sony for DOS drivers.

I use Knoppix for recovering data from crashed ntfs systems. I have a usb hard drive that I copy everything to and Knoppix has software for burning included. Its simple and it boots to debian Linux with full gui all from 1 cd. Auto detects usb drives on boot walks straight thru ntfs file permissions like they weren't there. Great product and its free. I seem to remember last time I was going thru the help file I read something about using it to create disk images and restore them. Worth a look

http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html
This one may be better it lets you create a bootable xp cd with nero and ghost support. Havent tested it yet but looks good and simple


http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/
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Peregian...

Thanks...I'll definitely dig into these Monday. If something good comes of it I'll definitely repost with points. The lack of USB DOS support  has definitely "p'd" me off so if there is a solution I will be more than grateful for the help.

I'll let you know.

Thx!!
I have since tested pebuilder and its great but it needs norton ghost 8.0, no other ghost version works because they are all dos base
Hi FUROG,

I'm in the same situation as you are !

The company I work creates software to operate with industrial machines/applications.
For our own safety they asked me to create a solution to take backups of the PC's of our clients.
So I bought the Sony DVD RW DRU510A and created boot-disks with the Panasonic DOS driver for USB-devices.

I tested it on several PC-models in the company and it worked all fine. So I know for sure this way has to work !!

Last week I went to a customer for the first time to make a backup and it crached the same way as you did:
The DVD is well recognized in DOS and I can select the device in Ghost (I use Ghost 8.0). When writing starts it craches after 1 or 2 minutes.
While writing the image, at the bottom of the screen I see messages of what Ghost is doing and I noticed the error appears on the same time:
> Adding MFT Table to image
> Adding MFT logfile to image
> Adding remaining files to image  > CRACH !!!!

Did you find any solution?
I noticed in your logfile that the firmware version still seems to be 1.0d instead of 1.0f, as you mentioned earlier. How come?

Any help is usefull, cause I really don't know what to do any more !!! Symantec and Sony aren't much of a help neighter !!
If you need any more information please let me know.

Best regards,
Salvator
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salvator

Unfortunately I did not find an answer and "shelved" the project until I got more time (and less angry at Sony) to look at again.

I bought harddrives and installed for now.

Sorry I couldn't help now. Keep an eye on this post and when I dig back into I'll post what I found.

or

Post the question again and refer the experts to this post so they don't reinvent the wheel.

Furog
I dont know why you guys keep wanting to try to make usb work in dos. It sucks. Use pebuilder http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/ it provides windows xp support for your usb devices. Its easy to get setup and its free. I use it regularly for backups to usb hard drive.
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Peregian

You turned me onto it a while back but I just haven't been able to get there and try it. I've bookmarked the sites. At the time you were a little unsure if it would work.

Looks like you have had an opportunity to use it and it works?

Only reason we want it to work in DOS so when we create the image on DVD we can restore the image via Symantec GHOST which requires we have DOS drivers for the USB DVD player to work.

Can pebuilder allow for this?

Thanks so much for info...if you want I can start another string and you can answer and get points? Let me know.

Furog
yes and no. I use ghost 8.0 which run on windows. You dont need dos only and independant operating system. Pebuilder creates a bootable cd with a cutdown version of xp that runs independant of hard drive. This way you get to use WindowsXP drivers and programs. PeBuilder has support for USB, firewire and ASPI. If ghost 8.0 has the ability to recognise your DVD burner, which it must have or you wouldn't be able to do it in dos either, then should be no problems. Ghost 2003 wont work with this because ghost 2003 only runs in dos.
If you can read the USB DVD, can't you ghost an image of the first partition to the second partition and vice versa,
then burn them in windows! At least it's a workaround.

I too, want to burn direct to the DVD burner from dos so if anyone gets it worked out I'd love to see it put here
msjs
I'm new to EE, so if I'm doing this incorrectly, please forgive me...

I have a SONY DRX-530UL DVD+-RW external USB drive.  I have successfully created a ghost image on the drive.  I have also made a bootable CD-R with ghost.exe on it.  However, when boot that CD and run ghost, the DVD drive is not offered as a selection in the dropdown as a source for an image file.  

Does anyone know what drivers and/or config.sys and autoexec.bat settings I need so that I can access the DVD drive after the dos boot?

Thanks

Jon