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I own a Canon i9900 and just started using Photoshop CS4. I am having major color management problems.

Asked by: Starbuck67

I own a Canon i9900 ink jet printer and recently upgraded to Photoshop CS4. I am using paper from the Red River paper company. I had been using the i9900, Red River paper and CS3 and printing was going just fine. Since then I have been searching for profiles for Red River paper, trying to understand color management in CS4 and generally wasting paper and pulling my hair out. Issues include where to do the color management (printer, CS4, other).

Greatly look forward to some help.

Jeff

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by: hatheharikenPosted on 2009-08-05 at 01:06:13ID: 25021057

normally the embedded ICC profile from your camera does all the color management you require.

check whether CS4 is using Adobe RGB profile.

previously i used CS, HP D5168 and Kodal DX6490
now i use CS4, HP D5168 and a D90 and colors are the same.

also check whether there are any "enhancements" enabled from the printer driver - they are known to create color issues.

i would like you to try and disable any ICC profiles from the printer abd CS4 andn try to take a print - in 90% cases that does the trick.

hathehariken.

 

by: jaglovierPosted on 2009-08-05 at 10:01:44ID: 25025532

It's also very important to calibrate your monitor regularly. There are some simple calibration tools bulit into many modern LCD monitors, or for a more professional quality calibration, there is a company called Spyder that produces a product that hangs down over your screen and automatically tests the monitors color quality and calibrates it for you. (Maybe the product is called Spyder, anyway here's a link: http://spyder.datacolor.com/index_us.php)

If you are doing any level of pro-quality work, or want to, I would recommend investing in a pro-level calibrator like Spyder. There are even different versions, the entry level version I think you can get for less than $100.

 

by: hatheharikenPosted on 2009-08-05 at 11:16:00ID: 25026397

investing in a top notch monitor is also a requirement.

if you are working off JPEGs then then you should expect around3-5% color deviation.
best thing is to work off camera RAW and save your work in PSB/PSD or flattened TIFFs with embedded color profiles.

 

by: Starbuck67Posted on 2009-08-05 at 11:44:21ID: 25026690

jaglovier:

I am doing color calibration on the LCD monitor with the i1 by x-rite which is designed for calibrating monitors.

hathehariken:

The monitor I am using is a high quality LCD monitor. The cameras I am using are a Nikon D70 and a Nikon D300. I shoot all pics in RAW. The color profile I am using in the cameras is Adobe RGB.

 

by: hatheharikenPosted on 2009-08-05 at 12:53:24ID: 25027375

printer color profiles are nearly always different to that of camera and monitor profiles.
the trick is to get them all to match.

calibrate your monitor first. then calibrate your printer.

chromix provides ICC/ICM profiles on demand, you can have a look at their site http://www.chromix.com/
i have a friend who use their services. pretty nice.
use their service called Maxwell to properly profile your camera, monitor and printer.

it would be better if you invested in a medium to good quality CRT monitor.
i used to have dual 19inches from Sony Trinitron. after shifting to dual LG Flatron 22 inches i had a lot of eye strain on high contrast settings and matching colors were simply a pain. my present setup includes the dual LCDs, and one of the old Sony's for image finalisation.

hathehariken.

 

by: Starbuck67Posted on 2009-08-05 at 15:10:27ID: 25028567

hathehariken:

I have done a fair amount of reading on this already from the Red River, Canon and Adobe sites in addition to researching other documents on color management.

Printer, camera, monitor, scanner and many other devices all have their own separate profiles. The key is which one of those profiles do you want to be in control when you print from Photoshop CS4 to the Canon i9900 printer and where does that control take place.

I will have to look into your comment regarding the differences between LCD and CRT monitors with regard to color management. That is an interesting point and I do have a couple of 19" CRT monitors I could use.

I suppose I am hoping that someone who has worked for one of these companies and knows the ins & outs of those products well enough will be able to step me through this. After reading all the material I mentioned earlier, I have all the color management theory I can stand...I just want a real solution.

Thanks for your time thus far.

Jeff

 

by: hatheharikenPosted on 2009-08-05 at 15:45:15ID: 25028762

you are most welcome.

truly, i only use HP papers on my HP printer. i just got my monitor (CRT) to match the color from the printer. and that was that.
HP is always very presice about paper quality - they make you pay through the nose for that, though.

i havent worked with Canon printers since they are notoriuosly difficult to refill...
and Red River doesnt have a presence in my country.

cheers!
hathehariken.

 

by: wyliecoyoteukPosted on 2009-08-12 at 10:06:16ID: 25080622

In the end, the colour profile that really matters is the printer, mainly because any colours outside of the printers colour gamut can only be approximated.
Does the canon print in Postscript?
Does it offer Pantone colour matching?


This PDF may help

http://www.adobe.com/digitalimag/pdfs/color_managed_raw_workflow.pdf

 

by: Starbuck67Posted on 2009-08-18 at 11:23:32ID: 25126026

wyliecoyoteuk:

Apparently the Canon i9900 does not print in Postscript based on research I have done.

It does not appear that the Canon i9900 offers Pantone colour matching


modularity:

I received an email notice today advising me that I had an open question. Since I have received other messages like this encouraging me to "stay engaged" and how to "close" a question, I thought I'd post some thoughts on this approach.

1) I generally do not check to see if I have new input on a question posted on Expert's Exchange unless I receive an email telling me there is a new post. Can new posts be made without an email being sent?

2) If my interest in the question is dependent upon my responding, do I need to do this daily or weekly even if there is no new input?

 

by: hatheharikenPosted on 2009-08-18 at 11:33:10ID: 25126105

if the 9900 does not support PS, then the best case scenario is to match your monitor to your printer gamut, as was mentioned previously by me, and wyliecoyoteuk.

 

by: Starbuck67Posted on 2009-08-20 at 09:30:41ID: 25144454

hathehariken:

By "match your monitor to your printer gamut" do you mean use the profile created for the printer as the profile for the monitor?

Jeff

 

by: hatheharikenPosted on 2009-08-20 at 10:22:23ID: 25144983

Starbuck67,

if you dont have access to a profiling spectrophotometer (a very expensive scanner, really), then using the profile published for the printer as the profile for the monitor is the best available option.

hathehariken.

 

by: Starbuck67Posted on 2009-08-20 at 10:39:10ID: 25145141

hathehariken:

I just purchased the ColorMunki by X-Rite. It seemed to have good reviews.

Jeff

 

by: Starbuck67Posted on 2009-08-25 at 09:05:51ID: 25179031

General

I just received an email that I had an open question and needed to do something about it.

I am learning to use the ColorMunki mention above. It is not simple or straightforward as the advertising claims. Updating my operating system (Net Framework 3.5 and many miscelaneous XP fixes) and installing ColorMunki took nearly 4 hours including trips to the network for troubleshooting since it was the weekend and X-Rite was closed. I just got the first type of paper I use profiled which took nearly 3 hours due to no manual, poor online directions and use of icons in the menu systems to tell you what to do. The results are better, but certainly not anything that would please a professional.

A large part of this is why I have not responded here because nothing completely useful has been accomplished by following hathehariken suggestion to purchase a profiling spectrophotometer. If I were to close this trouble shooting series, I would not be able to rate it at all well.

Jeff

 

by: hatheharikenPosted on 2009-08-25 at 11:57:12ID: 25180930

just to clarify, i did not suggest to purchase a profiling spectrophotometer. i only mentioned that if you dont have one, then using the printer profile as the monitor profile is the best solution.

if you had asked for more clarification, i would have told you not to purchase one, as the really Pro ones (which actually does work) run into thousands of dollars, and normally comes only with the printer (like the Xerox Igen 3 Digital Press), and not as standalones.
but thats water under the bridge.

reg ColorMunki:
have you calibrated and created an AppSet profile and created a PrintSafe profile??

hathehariken.

 

by: Starbuck67Posted on 2009-08-25 at 12:15:49ID: 25181149

hathehariken:

I don't know what an AppSet profile or a PrintSafe profile is.

modularity:

I am beginning to feel that the help I am getting is either at a "professional" level that is missing what I need or that I am being looked down upon as a dumb neophyte who just can't get it right.

As I mentioned in my earlier posting, I had done a fair amount of research and reviewing before purchasing the ColorMunki. There are many reviews by people who do digital work both with cameras and software that felt the ColorMunki was an excellent choice as a profiling spectrophotometer. I have used these resources for purchasing much of the software and hardware I own and have been satisfied with the quality of advice received.

I am sure there are millions of people out there who are dealing with the issues of color management at a prosumer level. As one of those people who have been doing this professionally as an architect for over 25 years, I feel that I have been  asking legitimate questions that should have answers out there.

 

by: hatheharikenPosted on 2009-08-25 at 12:30:24ID: 25181311

Starbuck,

after you install the software that came with your colormunki, you will have to print several color patches from the software.
then you have to scan them with the profiler, and that will create your printer profile.
after another similar precedure, involving multiple screens of color, you will have created the monitor profile.
uptill this stage most color profilers works perfectly.

then software goes to work, and calibrates the monitor profile to match your printer.
this is the stage where they fail.
lots of trial and error is required in this stage.

i am most certainly not treating you as a "dumb neophyte"
if you were, you wouldnt have asked the questions you have asked till now.

if you are not satisfied with my answers, you are most welcome to raise a moderator alert using the "request attention" feature next to your question.
they will do whatever thay feel necessary to have your questions answered

this will be my last post in this thread, unless a response from my end is specifically asked for.

Warm Regards,
Hathehariken.

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