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UK bank account number and sortcode checking algorithm needed

Asked by: astromex

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I'm trying to create a direct debit web app but need a method of checking whether a bank account number and sort-code which have been entered into a web form are valid.  I know there is some sort of algorithm for checking the validity of these because there is an online tool  at http://www.iban-bic.com/iban_und_bic.0.html?&L=2 which validates account details given the country, account number and sortcode but I can't seem to find an algorithm that works.  I have tried the one used for credit cards where you double alternate digits, sum them then mod 10 the result but this doesn't seem to work!

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by: RQuadlingPosted on 2007-06-28 at 03:10:55ID: 19379289

Bank sort codes are not algorithmic. They are just a list. You can get the list from your bank, but it will cost.

You can use online resources like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Sort_Codes_of_the_United_Kingdom, but that is manually updated.

http://www.sortingcodes.co.uk/FormsLogin.asp?/ is another potential source.

These lists are not free (I've a list from 1999 which cost £2K from Barclays Bank).

My list has just over 7300 entries.

But I can't see any non UK banks.

The data is like ...

0000010000001BARCLAYS REGIONAL OFFICE      LONDON CENTRAL                     LONDON CENTRAL                                              1099  0000000000000171 441 4444
0000080000001BARCLAYS REGIONAL OFFICE      KNIGHTSBRIDGE IBC                  BOWATER HOUSE,68 KNIGHTSBRIDGE,LONDON,SW1X 7NT              1099  0000000000000171 590 5600       00
0000100000001BARCLAYS REGIONAL OFFICE      CITY CORPORATE GROUP               CITY CORPORATE GROUP                                        1099  0000000000000171 283 2161


But this only validates the sort code. The bank account numbers would probably NOT be accessible or validatable, not like CC#s.

And then validatable wouldn't mean a LIVE account, just that the number is valid.

 

by: ozoPosted on 2007-06-28 at 06:56:39ID: 19380690

one might write an app that submits a number to the  online tool

 

by: RQuadlingPosted on 2007-06-28 at 07:47:43ID: 19381246

If you intend to do this as a business concern, then I would STRONGLY recommend buying the list. You'll get regular updates to it and you will have legitimate access to it. I suspect that if you do write an app to validate via an online tool and you use it a lot, you'll be blocked. Especially if there is a paid for service!

 

by: astromexPosted on 2007-06-28 at 08:29:54ID: 19381710

I'm pretty sure that account numbers/sort codes can be checked for validity with an algorithm (obviously this doesn't check if they are live accounts or not).  Try going here: http://www.iban-bic.com/iban_und_bic.0.html?&L=2 and putting valid/invalid account details in.  I put my own account details in and was told it was valid.  I then changed the last digit and was told that the checksum failed.  The word 'checksum' says pretty strongly to me that one of the digits in the account number is a check digit....  

 

by: astromexPosted on 2007-06-28 at 08:38:32ID: 19381791

Thanks for your help but I've found the answer here:  http://www.ecbs.org/Download/tr201/UnitedKingdom.PDF

 

by: RQuadlingPosted on 2007-06-28 at 08:41:50ID: 19381822

Nice file. Just remember that because it is passes a checksum doesn't mean it is valid. That is why there are lists you get from the bank.

 

by: astromexPosted on 2007-06-28 at 09:01:29ID: 19382018

I just need it to check for typos at this stage rather than live accounts so should do the trick. Cheers for your help anyway.

 

by: RQuadlingPosted on 2007-06-28 at 09:03:55ID: 19382051

NP.

 

by: crmapleyPosted on 2007-07-11 at 02:30:19ID: 19460849

I'm assuming from your solution that you are trying to validate these cards and then processing payment offline, maybe putting them manually through a PDQ machine.

If the volume of orders is low enough for you to cope with that then that solution will work.

My attitude is always to think bigger.  Your website could increase your reach and so you WANT it to be able to handle as many orders as possible as quickly and securely as possible. For you and the customer.

If you're that small you don't HAVE to be PCI compliant but it looks good if you are.  If you're not storing the customer card details properly you're leaving yourself open to a whole can of worms in the future. Not necessarily from hackers but dishonest employees too.

I would always go with a payment gateway solution.  If I was a customer and I realised that my card details were just going to sit in an unprotected database or in someones outlook folder I would be horrified and never do business with them.

Think carefully whether this is even the correct solution to the problem.

 

by: ajibolaPosted on 2007-09-07 at 16:26:21ID: 19851666

these things are verified online. Try signing up to a merchant that does online verification like www.itransact.com . Their advisors would contact you and you could liaise your requirements and other details.

 

by: tim_holmanPosted on 2008-06-06 at 16:25:40ID: 21733421

Why dont' you just authorize the details with your acquiring bank and get them to check it all for you in real time?  Or perhaps if you use a service provider than an API is provided that checks this all for you anyway.  
As crmapley suggests, it is likely you will fall under PCI DSS if you are processing credit/debit card numbers.  You'll save a headache by outsourcing and paying the 3-4% commission?

 

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