Question

Help me correct inaccuracies in the dated analysis

Asked by: cheekycj

I have developed this search engine submission analysis over the past few years (granted it has not been updated since 2000 and only went through some basic revisions recently)  I would like help in removing inaccuracies in it.

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of the three options:
1. Go to each individual index and register your page manually.

2. Use a service like http://www.selfpromotion.com/ to register many at once.

3. The BEST way is to get a program like WebPosition Gold (http://www.webposition.com).  Since it is best to have a dummy index.html page for each search engine (that automatically loads your real home page) - this program is great because it makes and maintains these pages and gives you a report of your standing on each search engine.

I believe it is best to list yourself manually in the major engines but look at a SW to add your site to the numerous other engines:

You can easily do this by going to
[Google] A must submit
http://www.google.com/intl/en/addurl.html
[Yahoo] A must submit
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/suggest/
[DMOZ] A critical place to submit:
http://www.dmoz.org/add.html
[MSN]
http://beta.search.msn.com/docs/submit.aspx?FORM=WSDD2
[AltaVista]
http://www.altavista.com/addurl/default (powered by Yahoo so you can leverage Overture or just do a basic submit)
[AllTheWeb]
http://www.alltheweb.com/help/webmaster/submit_site
[SNAP]
http://www.snap.com/about/site.php
[Jayde] B2B search engine
http://www.jayde.com/submit.html
[A9] Uses Google and internal data.
[Inktomi] uses Overture, which is Yahoo owned.
It uses a spider that will get to your site if it is linked via another site.  Or you can use Overture.
[Lycos/Hotbot]
Driven by Inktomi and requires Paid Services for guaranteed placement.
 

Also check out:
http://www.submitcorner.com/Tools/Submit/ [submit to multiple sites]
http://www.selfpromotion.com/ to register many at once.
http://www.webposition.com (this is a good tool)
http://www.ultimatepromotion.com
There is one software in one of the threads in here that supposedly does really well- its called AdWebb:
http://www.cyberspacehq.com/products/AddWeb/home.shtm
some additional info:
http://www.searchengineguide.com/
is a good site too.. goto the bottom of the page and you will see some articles...
in this site here are some ranking's articles:
http://www.searchengineguide.com/rankwrite/
http://marketwizz.net/searchengine1.html

some pretty good articles here:
http://www.iboost.com/promote/search_engines/index.html
http://searchenginewatch.com/

Google's info for Webmasters:
http://www.google.com/intl/en/webmasters/

ABOUT RANKINGS and INDEXING:
A good summary on how to improve rankings in various engines:
http://www.searchengines.com/searchEnginesRankings.html
http://builder.com.com/5100-6375-5144564.html

Bottom line is that it varies on algorithms and there will be no single silver bullet.  Your best ally is CONTENT, CONTENT and CONTENT!

Some search engines depend on META TAGS such as Keywords and/or description.  Then there are search engines that do full text searches and count the number of times the search term was found on your page as an indicator of how well you matched up.

Some sites rate the priority of your page by how many people visit it when it comes up on search results (popularity via click throughs) and others use popularity by how many people link to you (popularity via link backs)

Target the main search engines (Google, Yahoo, DMOZ, MSN)

Some search engines have algorithms to recognize spam-like meta tags, and give them the same attention you give to email spam. So don't put the same keyword over and over again in your pages.

Most search engines consider page content (keyword matches, etc), title, link popularity, meta tags and even words in the URL when ranking your site.  Matching content of the page via text, alt tags and links helps as well since algorithms look for a good match.  If you do a high match (like 80% of your page matches the keyword, then it probably will be viewed as spam and not a legitimate site)  I believe you want to keep your match to something reasonable to give a good mix of content and matching of keywords.

Check out this article:
http://webmonkey.wired.com/webmonkey/01/23/index1a.html

Alot of search engines use spiders to crawl through your site... so they will browse your site.. its visible internal links etc... so what server side language you use... it won't matter because the spiders will crawl through the generated HTML.  Most search engines (esp google) regularly crawl sites to keep up to date.  You don't have to keep submitting your site to them but if your site does go through a major overhaul, then I would recommend it.

META tags can be used to force a search engine to perform tasks which you dictate. Through the meta tag you can tell the search engine to ignore a page (handy if your building a site and do not want a page indexed via search but gotten to via your site's internal links.) or you can specify that you want the page crawled over word by word. Meta tags also identify keywords and present a web site description. Another useful function of meta tags is its ability to tell the search bot to return to your site after a certain time period and crawl over the page, thereby, updating its data base. Though I can't attest to how many bots actually use that.  Most of them are automated.

To have a robot roam all the contents of a page, insert the following meta tag.

<Meta Name="ROBOTS" Content="ALL">

To have a bot come back to visit your site at a predetermined interval of days, insert the following meta tag

<Meta Name="revisit-after" Content="15 days">

       
Though Meta tags play a small role in rankings- you want to still have them and leverage them by using the keyword and description meta tags.

<META NAME="KEYWORD" CONTENT="put your keywords here">
<META NAME="DESCRIPTION" CONTENT="write your description here.>"      

Keep the meta tag description shorter than 200 characters and 25 words, including spaces.  

Two other useful commands are the "noindex and nofollow" directives.  If neither of these is used, the default is for the spidering bot to "index" the page for the public's use during a search and to "follow" all links on the page. If you want one or both of these conditions set to false, place them in the tag like this:

Do not repeat the index, noindex, follow, nofollow descriptors.  These are valid uses of the noindex, index, nofollow, follow commands

<meta name="robots" content="index,follow">
<meta name="robots" content="noindex,follow">
<meta name="robots" content="index,nofollow">
<meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow">

These are invalid uses of the noindex, index, nofollow, follow commands.

<meta name="robots" content="noindex,index,follow">
<meta name="robots" content="index,nofollow,follow">
<meta name="robots" content="no index,index,nofollow,follow">
<meta name="robots" content="index,index,follow,follow">

While the above meta tag is not case sensitive it is sensitive to repeating or conflicting directives. Using the nofollow command will prevent the spidering robot from following the links contained on the respective page. Some of your pages may be linked to other sites in this case and you may not want to send the bot to that site. On the other hand, the links on your pages may lead to more of your pages, in which case, you may want the search bot to follow those links.


A few old tricks:
Create doorway pages: Find some sites that give out free web space and put up pages there with lots of your main site's keywords and links to different pages in your site. Link popularity (how many other sites link to yours) is a factor in search engine algorithms. So if you can't get other people to link to your site, make your own! Don't have these doorway pages be blatant and have a refresh or just a link to your site.  Try to get these pages/sites to be legitimate.  The best approach for this is usually link swaps with other informational or non-competitive sites.

Boost your linkpop: Try and find other sites that will link back to you.  Some search engines will boost your rankings depending on how many sites are linking to you... so the more "gateway" sites you have the better ranking you will get.

Usage of key words in the actual url. (this boosts visiblity in Google).  I have had som really good success and so have friends that I have advised with Google.

I will admit that I have never paid for any SEO and the sites I have run and helped run do show up in the top 10 or top 50.  Remember most users do go through the first few pages of search so being in the top 10 is not critical and do NOT fall into the garbage marketing tactics of top 10 placement guaranteed- b/c most of the time they can't guarantee it.

One additional note: If you are using a server side script that requires url params etc to display pages and want those pages indexed you may want to look at:
http://www.searchenginepromotionhelp.com/m/articles/search-engine-optimization/dynamic-content-promotion-2.php

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TIA,
CJ
Note: Pts will be adjusted as seen fit.

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Answers

 

by: duzPosted on 2005-01-07 at 15:20:27ID: 12989329

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of the three options:
1. Go to each individual index and register your page manually.

2. Use a service like http://www.selfpromotion.com/ to register many at once.

3. The BEST way is to get a program like WebPosition Gold (http://www.webposition.com).  Since it is best to have a dummy index.html page for each search engine (that automatically loads your real home page) - this program is great because it makes and maintains these pages and gives you a report of your standing on each search engine.
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The days of submitting sites to search engines has long since past.  The professional webmaster will now trigger a visit from the search engine bots and a crawl of his site by simply getting an inbound link from a frequently crawled page that is already well indexed. Search engines have become very quick at picking up new sites through this ‘natural’ process and not only is it now faster to get indexed this way but the search engine knows (by definition) that there is at least one inbound link.  If it finds the site through submission then the inbound link counter is at zero and nothing much will happen until it finds the first inbound link which it will be in no hurry to do.
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I believe it is best to list yourself manually in the major engines but look at a SW to add your site to the numerous other engines:

You can easily do this by going to
[Google] A must submit
http://www.google.com/intl/en/addurl.html
[Yahoo] A must submit
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/suggest/
[DMOZ] A critical place to submit:
http://www.dmoz.org/add.html
[MSN]
http://beta.search.msn.com/docs/submit.aspx?FORM=WSDD2
[AltaVista]
http://www.altavista.com/addurl/default (powered by Yahoo so you can leverage Overture or just do a basic submit)
[AllTheWeb]
http://www.alltheweb.com/help/webmaster/submit_site
[SNAP]
http://www.snap.com/about/site.php
[Jayde] B2B search engine
http://www.jayde.com/submit.html
[A9] Uses Google and internal data.
[Inktomi] uses Overture, which is Yahoo owned.
It uses a spider that will get to your site if it is linked via another site.  Or you can use Overture.
[Lycos/Hotbot]
Driven by Inktomi and requires Paid Services for guaranteed placement.
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There are three main search engines worth worrying about – Google, Yahoo and MSN all with very efficient spiders.  The  Yahoo link you give is for Yahoo directory submission.  Also DMOZ and Jayde are not search engines either, they are all directories and directories do need to be submitted to because the do not have spiders.
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Also check out:
http://www.submitcorner.com/Tools/Submit/ [submit to multiple sites]
http://www.selfpromotion.com/ to register many at once.
http://www.webposition.com (this is a good tool)
http://www.ultimatepromotion.com
There is one software in one of the threads in here that supposedly does really well- its called AdWebb:
http://www.cyberspacehq.com/products/AddWeb/home.shtm
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These sites are a complete waste of time and some of them are only there to farm your email address and stick a ‘naive’ label on you before they sell your details to someone else.
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some additional info:
http://www.searchengineguide.com/
is a good site too.. goto the bottom of the page and you will see some articles...
in this site here are some ranking's articles:
http://www.searchengineguide.com/rankwrite/
http://marketwizz.net/searchengine1.html

some pretty good articles here:
http://www.iboost.com/promote/search_engines/index.html
http://searchenginewatch.com/
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I am not going to knock SEO sites and forums like these because there are a lot of well meaning people posting and writing articles on them.  The problem is that there is way too much inaccurate and out of date information on these sites.  I personally never send questioners to sites like these because how are they to determine what is correct and what is incorrect information? Many questioners come here after visiting these types of site and reading conflicting advice and now want a definitive answer. Why send them back to get confused again?
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Google's info for Webmasters:
http://www.google.com/intl/en/webmasters/
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This is a good page as indeed is the whole Google Webmaster Info section.
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ABOUT RANKINGS and INDEXING:
A good summary on how to improve rankings in various engines:
http://www.searchengines.com/searchEnginesRankings.html
http://builder.com.com/5100-6375-5144564.html
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The first link has completely out of date information and the second link is just poor quality dogma.
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Bottom line is that it varies on algorithms and there will be no single silver bullet.  Your best ally is CONTENT, CONTENT and CONTENT!

Some search engines depend on META TAGS such as Keywords and/or description.  Then there are search engines that do full text searches and count the number of times the search term was found on your page as an indicator of how well you matched up.

Some sites rate the priority of your page by how many people visit it when it comes up on search results (popularity via click throughs) and others use popularity by how many people link to you (popularity via link backs)

Target the main search engines (Google, Yahoo, DMOZ, MSN) __________________________________
No search engines I know of has such simple algorithms and DMOZ is a directory not a search engine.
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Some search engines have algorithms to recognize spam-like meta tags, and give them the same attention you give to email spam. So don't put the same keyword over and over again in your pages.

Most search engines consider page content (keyword matches, etc), title, link popularity, meta tags and even words in the URL when ranking your site.  Matching content of the page via text, alt tags and links helps as well since algorithms look for a good match.  If you do a high match (like 80% of your page matches the keyword, then it probably will be viewed as spam and not a legitimate site)  I believe you want to keep your match to something reasonable to give a good mix of content and matching of keywords.

Check out this article:
http://webmonkey.wired.com/webmonkey/01/23/index1a.html
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Alt tags? Keywords in the URL? When to use them and why that is the important thing to know.  The webmonkey link is over three and a half years old which is several lifetimes in the SEO world.
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Alot of search engines use spiders to crawl through your site... so they will browse your site.. its visible internal links etc... so what server side language you use... it won't matter because the spiders will crawl through the generated HTML.  Most search engines (esp google) regularly crawl sites to keep up to date.  You don't have to keep submitting your site to them but if your site does go through a major overhaul, then I would recommend it.

META tags can be used to force a search engine to perform tasks which you dictate. Through the meta tag you can tell the search engine to ignore a page (handy if your building a site and do not want a page indexed via search but gotten to via your site's internal links.) or you can specify that you want the page crawled over word by word. Meta tags also identify keywords and present a web site description. Another useful function of meta tags is its ability to tell the search bot to return to your site after a certain time period and crawl over the page, thereby, updating its data base. Though I can't attest to how many bots actually use that.  Most of them are automated.

To have a robot roam all the contents of a page, insert the following meta tag.

<Meta Name="ROBOTS" Content="ALL">

To have a bot come back to visit your site at a predetermined interval of days, insert the following meta tag

<Meta Name="revisit-after" Content="15 days">
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The <Meta Name="ROBOTS" Content="ALL"> is unnecessary as it is the default and no robot in history has ever used the  <Meta Name="revisit-after" Content="15 days">
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Though Meta tags play a small role in rankings- you want to still have them and leverage them by using the keyword and description meta tags.

<META NAME="KEYWORD" CONTENT="put your keywords here">
<META NAME="DESCRIPTION" CONTENT="write your description here.>"      

Keep the meta tag description shorter than 200 characters and 25 words, including spaces.
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The meta description tag should be 25 to 30 words or less and use no more than 160 characters in total including spaces. The meta keyword tag can be left out because no search engine uses for ranking purposes but if you really want it use it for common misspellings of your keywords and Yahoo alone will like that.
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Two other useful commands are the "noindex and nofollow" directives.  If neither of these is used, the default is for the spidering bot to "index" the page for the public's use during a search and to "follow" all links on the page. If you want one or both of these conditions set to false, place them in the tag like this:

Do not repeat the index, noindex, follow, nofollow descriptors.  These are valid uses of the noindex, index, nofollow, follow commands

<meta name="robots" content="index,follow">
<meta name="robots" content="noindex,follow">
<meta name="robots" content="index,nofollow">
<meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow">

These are invalid uses of the noindex, index, nofollow, follow commands.

<meta name="robots" content="noindex,index,follow">
<meta name="robots" content="index,nofollow,follow">
<meta name="robots" content="no index,index,nofollow,follow">
<meta name="robots" content="index,index,follow,follow">

While the above meta tag is not case sensitive it is sensitive to repeating or conflicting directives. Using the nofollow command will prevent the spidering robot from following the links contained on the respective page. Some of your pages may be linked to other sites in this case and you may not want to send the bot to that site. On the other hand, the links on your pages may lead to more of your pages, in which case, you may want the search bot to follow those links.

A few old tricks:
Create doorway pages: Find some sites that give out free web space and put up pages there with lots of your main site's keywords and links to different pages in your site. Link popularity (how many other sites link to yours) is a factor in search engine algorithms. So if you can't get other people to link to your site, make your own! Don't have these doorway pages be blatant and have a refresh or just a link to your site.  Try to get these pages/sites to be legitimate.  The best approach for this is usually link swaps with other informational or non-competitive sites.

Boost your linkpop: Try and find other sites that will link back to you.  Some search engines will boost your rankings depending on how many sites are linking to you... so the more "gateway" sites you have the better ranking you will get. __________________________________
Doorway and gateway pages are just what you say they are ‘old tricks’ and the modern versions of these tricks should only be used in very specific and exceptional circumstances otherwise they really are counter productive.
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Usage of key words in the actual url. (this boosts visiblity in Google).  I have had som really good success and so have friends that I have advised with Google.
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I don’t know what you mean by “boosts visiblity in Google” but using the keyword in the url is good for anchor text http://www.experts-exchange.com/Web/Online_Marketing/Q_20879910.html
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I will admit that I have never paid for any SEO and the sites I have run and helped run do show up in the top 10 or top 50.  Remember most users do go through the first few pages of search so being in the top 10 is not critical
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Current research shows the opposite, most searchers never get beyond the first page and I personally know sites for example where the difference between position one and five is over a $1m a month revenue.
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and do NOT fall into the garbage marketing tactics of top 10 placement guaranteed- b/c most of the time they can't guarantee it.
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Agree 100%
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One additional note: If you are using a server side script that requires url params etc to display pages and want those pages indexed you may want to look at:
http://www.searchenginepromotionhelp.com/m/articles/search-engine-optimization/dynamic-content-promotion-2.php
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Search engines have got much better at indexing dynamic urls so it the url is not too complex there is no need for rewrites.

In General: I think your standard post while trying to be comprehensive fails because it leaves out hundreds of important considerations like Site Maps and Google’s PageRank.  I guess we can’t post a book on everything about SEO each time someone asks about how to get there site ranked high by search engines. That is why I tend to refer those new to the subject to this tutorial http://www.seo-guy.com/tutorial.html which is reasonably up to date and also reasonably accurate.

I hope I have helped...

- duz

 

by: cheekycjPosted on 2005-01-07 at 16:39:48ID: 12989847

I will have a little fun here :-) and play devil's advocate (mostly to spur debate to lead to information)

I agree most people probably use some tool or utility to submit sites, but I still prefer control over what I submit.  Though as you said - the spiders/bots will get to your site if it is linked in some where but if its a brand new site - you may not have links coming in just yet.

I will update the yahoo link to: http://search.yahoo.com/info/submit.html

The sites that are a complete waste of time, 2 of them point to SW.  SW utilities are good entry point for some users.  You don't know what a certain user will like vs not.

>> I personally never send questioners to sites like these because how are they to determine what is correct and what is incorrect information? Many questioners come here after visiting these types of site and reading conflicting advice and now want a definitive answer. Why send them back to get confused again?

True but there is no one solution and there is no one person that knows all.  What works for one will not work for another you you have to try different strategies.

I agree about the meta tags regarding keywords but I have used for mispellings.  Revisit-all, I wasn't aware of any bots using it but you never do know :-)

The 'Old Trick' of link backs to boost link popularity is the only way my site gained ground on Google to be a top 10 and now top 5.

A friend of mine had 2 identical pages.  One with a url with descriptive words in it like www.mysite.com/lord_of_the_rings.jsp other was just a simple product.jsp?id=12345

the one that has lord_of_the_rings.jsp was higher in google's search results (he tested this just this past month)

>> Current research shows the opposite, most searchers never get beyond the first page and I personally know sites for example where the difference between position one and five is over a $1m a month revenue.

I can't argue this point b/c I haven't seen the data behind those numbers.  But I personally have never seen a single person end on the first page of search results.  Esp. in this day of computer savvy and search engine savvy users.   I spoke to an Amazon.com rep and he even stated that their users are very savvy and search the web for the best prices, often using google.  He said their users will go through upto the top 50 results to find the best price/results.  To me that is very telling.

>> Search engines have got much better at indexing dynamic urls so it the url is not too complex there is no need for rewrites.
That may be the case but I work at one of the top ecommerce sites and we done a few projects (based on biz research) to make our pages URL friendly.

I must admit that the seo-guy.com tutorial is very good.  I may borrow it (with credit given to you).

Any comments?

CJ

 

by: duzPosted on 2005-01-07 at 22:57:05ID: 12991094

CJ -

>I will have a little fun here :-) and play devil's advocate (mostly to spur debate to lead to information)

Good idea :)

>I agree most people probably use some tool or utility to submit sites, but I still prefer control over what I submit.  

I wasn’t suggesting users use any kind of submission software. Just let the search engines find the site naturally when you are ready. As I said it is faster and better.

>Though as you said - the spiders/bots will get to your site if it is linked in some where but if its a brand new site - you may not have links coming in just yet.

If you don’t have any inbound links then there is no point in submitting because of the delay I mentioned.  The more inbound links at launch time the better but zero links is bad.

>I will update the yahoo link to: http://search.yahoo.com/info/submit.html

If you want to perpetuate the myth of submission that is a good idea :) If you want to put questioners on the fast track tell them how the professionals do it and why.

>The sites that are a complete waste of time, 2 of them point to SW.  SW utilities are good entry point for some users.  You don't know what a certain user will like vs not.

SW utilities are never a good entry point for SEO.  At best they will do no harm but just waste time and at worst provide the user with sub-optimal results which they will never realize could be so much better.  A lot of questioners come here after using SEO SW to find out why they are not doing well in the SERPs.  Better to come here for the basic advice first and save a couple of wasted years.

>> I personally never send questioners to sites like these because how are they to determine what is correct and what is incorrect information? Many questioners come here after visiting these types of site and reading conflicting advice and now want a definitive answer. Why send them back to get confused again?

>True but there is no one solution and there is no one person that knows all.  What works for one will not work for another you you have to try different strategies.

Exactly that is why in this TA I answer everyone with a handcrafted answer tailored to their particular question and not a list of urls (unless it is the basic tutorial).  Anybody can get a list of urls for their specific questions just by typing it into a search engine but what users come here for is a definitive answer and that’s what we should give them when it is available (which it is 95% of the time).

>I agree about the meta tags regarding keywords but I have used for mispellings.  Revisit-all, I wasn't aware of any bots using it but you never do know :-)

Believe me, they never have and they never will.

>The 'Old Trick' of link backs to boost link popularity is the only way my site gained ground on Google to be a top 10 and now top 5.

Well it is not just an old trick in fact it is the very foundation of modern search engines going back to the original paper by the founders of Google http://www-db.stanford.edu/~backrub/google.html  This is where they introduce the concept of PageRank based on ‘voting’ with links.  But that was in the beginning and now we have subjects like Topic Sensitive PageRank (TSPR) http://dbpubs.stanford.edu:8090/pub/showDoc.Fulltext?lang=en&doc=2002-6&format=pdf&compression=&name=2002-6.pdf  Backlinks are no longer a simple issue of how many? It’s quality and context but to what degree that is the question.

>A friend of mine had 2 identical pages.  One with a url with descriptive words in it like www.mysite.com/lord_of_the_rings.jsp other was just a simple product.jsp?id=12345
the one that has lord_of_the_rings.jsp was higher in google's search results (he tested this just this past month)

Well I have two things to say about that.  The first is that conclusions based on this sort of (personal experience of one) data are the source of more myth and misunderstanding than even SEO forums.  Controlled experiments in SEO are very, very difficult to do simply because there are so many other variables over which the experimenter has no control.  I have people in my office every day saying “I only made one change and I shot up ten places as a result”. It doesn’t take long to examine the individual case and point out that there are a thousand legitimate reasons for the jump and that assuming cause and effect is not only unreasonable but positively dangerous.

Secondly your frien should have used hyphens, lord_of_the_rings.jsp should have been lord-of-the-rings.jsp because Google does not 'see' the underscore as a word separator http://www.experts-exchange.com/Web/Online_Marketing/Q_21038752.html

>> Current research shows the opposite, most searchers never get beyond the first page and I personally know sites for example where the difference between position one and five is over a $1m a month revenue.

>I can't argue this point b/c I haven't seen the data behind those numbers.  But I personally have never seen a single person end on the first page of search results.  Esp. in this day of computer savvy and search engine savvy users.

Google processes over 3,000 searches/second, every second of the day.  I gave up guessing what users are doing based on my personal observations years ago. Just ask any serious AdSense publisher, they will all say the same thing revenue is exponentially related to position in the SERPs and the second page gets you less than half the traffic.

> I spoke to an Amazon.com rep and he even stated that their users are very savvy and search the web for the best prices, often using google.  He said their users will go through upto the top 50 results to find the best price/results.  To me that is very telling.

In my experience any research that company reps talk about is normally based on some flawed marketing survey and is total nonsense :) I agree 100% that users are trawling the net to get the best prices but this does not change the fact that most searches end on the first page of the SERPs.  

>> Search engines have got much better at indexing dynamic urls so it the url is not too complex there is no need for rewrites.
>That may be the case but I work at one of the top ecommerce sites and we done a few projects (based on biz research) to make our pages URL friendly.

I hope you didn’t use underscores :)

Search engine urls are essential of course but urls like for example http://www.mydomain.com/prodList.asp?idCategory=100 which made spiders choke a couple of years ago are now perfectly ok.

>Any comments?

Other than the above, yes I have a few!  Please help keep the quality of this section of Experts Exchange at the highest level by answering questions specifically and directly without the use of standard posts and url lists. Avoid sending the questioner somewhere where they may find the correct answer but where they will also find ten incorrect answers. And most importantly for SEO and all future readers help debunk the myth and the mystic by pointing out bad practice and out of date knowledge.

Thank you CJ for taking the time to reappraise your answer(s) to users SEO questions.

- duz

 

by: cheekycjPosted on 2005-01-08 at 04:31:27ID: 12991768

Thanks for your feedback, I will work on this to update it etc.  I do care about the quality of EE, I just haven't participated in EE in about 2 yrs.  I was at #22 in the HoF.

CJ

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