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A few general internet advertising/web marketing questions

Asked by: andreyman3d2k

The company I work for generally deals in print media, but is now trying to get involved with web ad design/placement. We are working with a vendor that has a website where our client wants to put some content (we, as the design company are middle-manning this as well as doing the design). The client asked us some questions. The answers to these questions will come from the actual website vendors, but we want to understand the answers before relaying them to the client  currently though, we dont 100% understand the questions  this is where we would like some clarification:
 
 
1.      When tracking things like total number of visitors/views & brand impressions & Click-through rate & other relevant metrics, what is generally considered to constitute legitimate proof of presented figures for each?
(Also, what is considered to NOT constitute legitimate proof, but may be commonly presented to unknowing clients instead of legitimate proof  ie is there anything to watch out for, in terms of a vendor saying Look at these great figures, it means many people are looking at/acting on the ads and us turning around, showing them to a client, and their Internet Marketing/IT staff saying but this data doesnt justify your conclusions)?

2.      The potential client asked us something like what will be the impression level at a given page. What exactly does this mean? I understand what Brand impression and number of impressions means, but not the level. Couldnt find anything clear about this online.

3.      What is typically meant by the term Guaranteed traffic? How do you guarantee traffic, and what typically happens if the guarantee is not met?

4.      Link tracking using 3rd Party Ad Serving  The vendor has a password-protected secure site. On this site our client wants to place some ads that link to their site. Can this ad be tracked using a 3rd party ad tracking system like DART? Can pretty much any ad be tracked this way, regardless of whether or not the site is secure? How much trouble is it for a typical web developer to implement third-party tracking?

5.       This is perhaps the most important  what other questions/topics typically come up when these types of deals are discussed? What should the client be asking, and what are the correct answers? What other common, web-marketing-specific, concepts should we be aware of?
 
Any response to any or all of these questions, or any other relevant information would be greatly appreciated. Links to useful articles where I can find answers are excellent also. Thank you very much.

Andrey

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Answers

 

by: shalomcPosted on 2009-10-20 at 03:00:42ID: 25612425

these are great questions :)

Trust everybody but cut the cards. You should audit your vendor periodically, preferably close it in the contract. Auditing means getting samples of the logs and applying statistical analysis to see that the logs are not artificially inflated. Being in the advertising industry, you probably have access to statisticians whose expertise is survey validation, and the problem is similar.  You should also monitor closely the web site with services like Alexa and Netcraft. If the vendor is using google analytics, you can rely on it as a valid third party source, or even insist on using it in addition to whatever the vendor is using.

Do not blindly accept pretty graphs in a power point presentation.

Impression level probably means number of impressions, I am not aware of any other relevant level.

You cannot really guarantee traffic, you can only extrapolate based on past performance. It is up to you to decide what to do if the traffic is not up to expectations. Maybe a performance based fee is best? for example, instead of a flat fee you can decide on payment per 10000 pageviews, or even better on a PPC method.

Ad tracking is not dependent on the security of the web site, except for sites protected by SSL, and some users with extra paranoid browser settings. SSL may be a problem, as not all ad tracking services support it.

Ideally you should try to track conversion rates all the way through.

ShalomC

 

by: andreyman3d2kPosted on 2009-10-20 at 06:06:57ID: 25613617

Thanks for the thorough reply. Some follow-ups to clear up a few points.

"Auditing means getting samples of the logs and applying statistical analysis to see that the logs are not artificially inflated."

What information would we be looking for in those logs? And what kind of information NOT to look for, as it can be misleading an non-representative of actual viewership/impressions?

"You should also monitor closely the web site with services like Alexa and Netcraft. If the vendor is using google analytics, you can rely on it as a valid third party source, or even insist on using it in addition to whatever the vendor is using."

What sort of information do these services provide? Does the vendor need to be aware that I am using these tools, and somehow "install" them, or configure them for use?


"Ad tracking is not dependent on the security of the web site, except for sites protected by SSL, and some users with extra paranoid browser settings. SSL may be a problem, as not all ad tracking services support it."

I think that SSL is used in this case (is there a way to tell? the vendor's site is https://... and the lock icon appears by the URL bar) Any recommendations on tracking metrics for such a site?

"Ideally you should try to track conversion rates all the way through."
What are conversion rates?

Thanks again!

 

by: shalomcPosted on 2009-10-20 at 06:52:39ID: 25614098

Andrey,

I think that you need a crash course in web advertising metrics and terms :)
I am not trying to squelch out of helping you, but by now you should be at least conceptually familiar with logs and their contents, conversion rates, and how to tell if the web site uses SSL (and yes, you were right about the https and the lock).  It seems that you are mostly ignorant about these subjects, which makes helping you a bit difficult since I do not know what level of detail is sufficient. Nothing personal here...

in very short words:

Conversion rates measure the ratio of incoming visitor flux to a desirable visitor action. Do you want to get leads, eyeballs, prospects or actual sales? See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_rate for another explanation.

Alexa and Netcraft attempt to be the Nielsen of web sites. Go to their respective web sites to learn more.

Tracking a SSL site with 3rd party tools requires support from these tools.
Google analytics fully supports SSL  ( http://www.google.com/support/googleanalytics/bin/answer.py?answer=55483 ).  You will have to ask the actual provider for specific answers. You do not want your visitors to receive cryptic warnings when coming to the web page.

A web site log usually contains all hits to the web site, and is the basis for calculating impressions, page views, unique visits etc.
http://www.hongkiat.com/blog/understand-web-traffics-hits-pageviews-impressions-unique/

ShalomC

 

by: andreyman3d2kPosted on 2009-10-20 at 07:25:40ID: 31643201

"I think that you need a crash course in web advertising metrics and terms... It seems that you are mostly ignorant about these subjects..."

You got that right! I am actually just the IT guy here -- dealing mostly with spreadsheets and databases... I know very little about marketing in general and internet marketing specifically even less. The powers that be in my company thought I would be the most qualified to research this stuff because I "know computers". It is a very small company I work for...

Thanks tremendously for your help, it was very instructive. I will read all the articles you linked. If you think of any more, or any other comments, please post them, I will very much appreciate it.

Thanks again!

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