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A challenge - convert these three tables to a full css design

Asked by: azz0r

Basically Im wondering how advanced CSS can be when recreating complex tables.

http://www.wuggawoo.co.uk/test.html

The bottom and top arent such big deals, the middle table is what Im interesting in how you'd do it.

Shoot. Ill up the points before I accept if you can do it really clean.

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2005-06-06 at 14:31:31ID21448737
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Cascading Style Sheets (CSS)

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Font Creator

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Answers

 

by: COBOLdinosaurPosted on 2005-06-06 at 15:23:17ID: 14157723

Why would anyone want to re-create a 20 century layout using 21st century tools.  If you want the look of table layout then use the tables.  CSS to mimic old style layout is just a waste of effort.

CSS is about a different approach not just replace one set of tags with another to produce just another boring lifeless  grid.

Cd&

 

by: azz0rPosted on 2005-06-06 at 15:32:05ID: 14157784

So css cant properly mimic a table with many cells?

 

by: azz0rPosted on 2005-06-06 at 15:35:56ID: 14157794

Oh btw just incase you misunderstood what I was doing, THAT IS NOT WHAT I AM aiming for.

Im planning to recode my forum; http://forumz.wuggawoo.co.uk/index/active_topics using css only - but the cell layout on the main rows was too complex so I wanted to see if theres a way to overcome it.

 

by: COBOLdinosaurPosted on 2005-06-06 at 15:53:08ID: 14157861

It is tabular data. It is supposed to be in a table.  It is the stuff all around it that gets the thing into a mess.

Take that data put it into a single level table and that becomes the page content that you build everything else around using CSS.

Cd&

 

by: azz0rPosted on 2005-06-06 at 16:00:53ID: 14157899

I see, thanks.

Atleast is there anyway to get rid of the border on the top, left and right of the top table?

 

by: COBOLdinosaurPosted on 2005-06-06 at 16:26:14ID: 14157991

<table style="border:none">

Cd&

 

by: azz0rPosted on 2005-06-06 at 16:32:23ID: 14158009

Id still like the border across the buttom

 

by: COBOLdinosaurPosted on 2005-06-06 at 16:45:31ID: 14158057

<table style="border:none;border:bottom:2px solid black">

Cd&

 

by: ZhaawZPosted on 2005-06-15 at 00:24:36ID: 14218398

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd">
<html>
<head>
<title>Titled Document</title>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
<style type="text/css">
body{
  font-weight:bold;
}
div{
  border:1px solid #000000;
}
.c1{
  background-color:#999999;
}
.c2{
  background-color:#cccccc;
}
.td{
  float:left;
  width:20%;
}
.toprow{
  background-color:#666666;
}
</style>
</head>
<div>
  <div class="c1" style="height:55px; text-align:center; padding-top:10px;">title</div>
  <div class="c2">sub</div>
</div>
<br/><br/>

<div style="float:left; margin-left:5%;">
  <div class="td toprow" style="text-align:center;">name</div>
  <div class="td toprow" style="text-align:center;">p2</div>
  <div class="td toprow">nono3</div>
  <div class="td toprow">no2</div>
  <div class="td" style="text-align:center; clear:left;">title</div>
  <div class="td" style="text-align:center;">02</div>
  <div class="td">44</div>
  <div class="td">44</div>
</div>

<br style="clear:left;"/><br/><br/>
<div>
  <div class="c2" style="height:55px;">bottom</div>
  <div class="c1" style="text-align:center;">ho</div>
</div>
</body>
</html>

 

by: ZhaawZPosted on 2005-06-15 at 00:25:55ID: 14218405

(works only on IE...)

 

by: azz0rPosted on 2005-06-15 at 01:54:59ID: 14218817

Howcome firefox doesnt like it?

 

by: GoofyDawgPosted on 2005-06-22 at 15:34:34ID: 14280161

As demonstrated above, it certainly is possible to achieve a table-like layout using divs (though I'd use display:table-cell) for the "td" divs. But just because you can do something doesn't mean you should.

A lot of people moving to CSS-driven layouts get lulled into thinking that EVERYTHING should be done in CSS. That defeats the purpose completely. I recently had my group convert all their development to CSS-driven layout, so we could code more efficiently and commonly. They were all using tables for their layouts. One of the biggest gripes was that they thought it meant we do away with tables altogether. My reply is simply this: You're missing the point. Tables are meant to display tabular data. Sure, they're a great way to achieve pixel precision with relative ease, but from a semantic point of view, they're the wrong type of element to use for layout.

So the question raised after that answer was what are we then trying to achieve with CSS-driven layout? A few things: 1. Proper, semantic coding; that is, using elements with their intended purpose in mind. 2. Lower the HTML-to-Code ratio. We have lots of extraneous code simply by virtue of having so many tables (and nested several levels deep at that!). By converting to CSS-driven layout, we'll see significant reductions in code base size; 3. CSS-driven layout enables to separate our design from the content. As it stands our design and content are married to each other. Tables keep us from being agile with our interface.

Sorry I've rambled a bit. But I want to revert to my point about semantic coding. When you're using something for a purpose for which it was not originally intended, you end up creating a lot more code (in bytes). As in the example above, that's a lot of code to achieve something a table does naturally, and with a lot less code to tweak:

<table>
  <tr>
    <td></td>
    <td></td>
    <td></td>
    <td></td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td></td>
    <td></td>
    <td></td>
    <td></td>
  </tr>
</table>

There's a simple framework. This also plays into the second point about HTML-to-Code ratio. In the case above, when you add it all up, there's a lot more code devoted to the div method than the table method. That's a good sign that it's not the optimal way to approach your problem. Granted there may be instances where you might have to do a bit of "tweaking." But frankly, if I find myself in that situation, I usually find that I have to rethink my presentation.

GoofyDawg

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