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Bulleted list not placed correctly beside floated image - margin ignored

Asked by: alicia1234

I've tried everything I can think of to solve this problem, but I just can't make it work right.
www.wallewu.com/bulletproblem.html

The second bulleted list is displaying correctly: indented 20px. But the first one, which is to the right of a div that is floated left, does not display correctly. The div has a 15px right margin, and it's as if this margin is being totally ignored in the case of the bulleted list.

I do not have the luxury of being able to change the HTML code. Can only change the CSS. This problem exists in a much more complicated page, but I've extracted only the relevant code and also made the style sheet internal to help me debug it, and that's the "bulletproblem.html" code that I've posted for you to see.

I need help! ;-)

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1" />
<title>Bullet Problem</title>
<style type="text/css">
* { margin: 0; padding: 0; border: none; }
img {border: 0; }
html { background-color: #49176D; }
/* Set default font size to 10px (62.5% of 16, the browser default) as basis for em measurements */
body { font: 62.5%/180% "Trebuchet MS", Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; color: #454545; }  
div#clearfloat { clear: both; }
h1 { font-size: 1.9em; font-weight: bold; padding-left: 5px; }
h2 { font-size: 1.6em; font-weight: bold; padding-left: 5px; }
h3 { font-size: 1.5em; font-weight: bold; padding-left: 5px; }
p { font-size: 1.3em; line-height: normal; margin: 0; padding: 5px 5px 5px 5px; }
ul { list-style-type: disc; list-style: outside; padding: 5px 5px 5px 5px;  }
ol { list-style-type: decimal; padding: 5px 5px 5px 5px; }
li { font-size: 1.3em; }
div#bodywrapper { width: 556px; margin: 0 auto; padding: 10px 0 18px 0; background-color: #49176D; }
div#centerwrapper { float: left;  width: 548px;  margin-left: 4px; margin-right: 4px;  }
div#phototextwrapper { background-repeat: repeat-x; background-position: bottom right; padding: 10px 10px 10px 10px; background-color: #FFFFFF; }
div#content {  }
div#content h2 { font-size: 1.6em; color: #454545; padding: 0 5px 5px 5px; margin: 0; }
div#content ul, div#content ol { margin-left: 35px; margin-right: 20px; }
div#photo { float: left; width: 165px; padding-top: 5px; margin-right: 15px; }
div#pageheader { height: 25px; background-color: #49176D; border: 1px solid #FFFFFF; border-bottom: none; padding-top: 2px; }
div#hdricon { float: left; padding-left: 5px; }
divl#hdrtxt { float: left; }
div#hdrtxt h1 { line-height: normal; color: #FFFFFF; }
div#actions { text-align: right; }
div#actions a { font-size: 1.1em; }
</style>
</head>
<body>
<div id="bodywrapper">
  <div id="centerwrapper">
    <div id="pageheader">
      <div id="hdricon">
        <img src="icon_hr_sm.png" alt="Human Resources Icon" />				
      </div> <!-- hdricon -->
      <div id="hdrtxt">
        <h1>Human Resources</h1>
      </div> <!-- hdrtext -->
    </div> <!--pageheader -->
    <div id="phototextwrapper">
      <div id="photo">
        <img src="placeholder_photo.png" alt="Placeholder Photo" />				
      </div> <!-- photo -->
      <div id="content">
        <h2>Headline goes here	</h2>
        <p>Aenean a ligula in lectus molestie scelerisque. Aenean a ligula in lectus molestie scelerisque. </p>
        <ul>
          <li>First bulleted list item #1</li>
          <li>First bulleted list item #2</li>
          <li>First bulleted list item #3</li>
        </ul>
        <p>Aenean a ligula in lectus molestie scelerisque. Aenean a ligula in lectus molestie scelerisque. Sed vulputate tincidunt metus.</p>
        <ul>
          <li>Second bulleted list item #1</li>
          <li>Second bulleted list item #2</li>
          <li>Second bulleted list item #3</li>
        </ul>
        <p>Aenean a ligula in lectus molestie scelerisque. Aenean a ligula in lectus molestie scelerisque. Sed vulputate tincidunt metus. Aenean a ligula in lectus molestie scelerisque. Aenean a ligula in lectus molestie scelerisque. Sed vulputate tincidunt metus. Aenean a ligula in lectus molestie scelerisque. </p>
      </div> <!-- content -->
      <div id="actions">
          <p><a href="#" target=_"blank">Click here for more info</a></p>
      </div> <!-- actions -->
    </div> <!-- phototextwrapper-->
  </div> <!-- centerwrapper -->
</div> <!-- body wrapper -->
</body>
</html>

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Asked On: 2009-09-05 at 11:27:57ID24710112
Topic: Cascading Style Sheets (CSS)
Participating Experts: 2
Points: 500
Comments: 11

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by: kadabaPosted on 2009-09-05 at 12:05:42ID: 25267353

Hi,

" The div has a 15px right margin, and it's as if this margin is being totally ignored in the case of the bulleted list. "

I dint get you. What do you meant by this?

change div#photo to the below code

div#photo { float: left; width: 165px; padding-top: 5px; margin-right: 20px; }

you will see the indentation change.

by: alicia1234Posted on 2009-09-05 at 12:40:05ID: 25267448

Yes, that does change the indentation - on both the <p> tag and the <ul> tags, which is not what I want. The <p> tag is being displayed properly. The first bulleted list should be indented 20px from the text above it, just as the second bulleted list is. The image is 165x135, including the grey shadow, and the <img> tag is inside the "photo" div, which has a right margin of 15px. The bullets of the first list are actually overlapping the margin area.

See screen shot here.
http://screencast.com/t/p2kzY2cnP

by: kadabaPosted on 2009-09-06 at 00:07:46ID: 25268979

Hi Alicia,

I went through the css model. I came up with this. replace the below classes. Does this suffice?

ul { list-style-type: disc; list-style: outside; padding: 5px 5px 5px 5px;  list-style-position: inside; display:table-row;}
ol { list-style-type: decimal; padding: 5px 5px 5px 5px;  list-style-position: inside; display:table-row;}
li { font-size: 1.3em; margin-left:20px;}

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by: kadabaPosted on 2009-09-06 at 00:08:51ID: 25268985

Here s the complete html[modified which you had pasted]

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1" />
<title>Bullet Problem</title>
<style type="text/css">
* { margin: 0; padding: 0; border: none; }
img {border: 0; }
html { background-color: #49176D; }
/* Set default font size to 10px (62.5% of 16, the browser default) as basis for em measurements */
body { font: 62.5%/180% "Trebuchet MS", Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; color: #454545; }  
div#clearfloat { clear: both; }
h1 { font-size: 1.9em; font-weight: bold; padding-left: 5px; }
h2 { font-size: 1.6em; font-weight: bold; padding-left: 5px; }
h3 { font-size: 1.5em; font-weight: bold; padding-left: 5px; }
p { font-size: 1.3em; line-height: normal; margin: 0; padding: 5px 5px 5px 5px; }
/* Changed the UL Style and the OL style with properties "list-style-position: inside; display:table-row;"*/
ul { list-style-type: disc; list-style: outside; padding: 5px 5px 5px 5px;  list-style-position: inside; display:table-row;}
ol { list-style-type: decimal; padding: 5px 5px 5px 5px;  list-style-position: inside; display:table-row;}
/* Changed the li style with property "margin-left:20px;"*/
li { font-size: 1.3em; margin-left:20px;}
div#bodywrapper { width: 556px; margin: 0 auto; padding: 10px 0 18px 0; background-color: #49176D; }
div#centerwrapper { float: left;  width: 548px;  margin-left: 4px; margin-right: 4px;  }
div#phototextwrapper { background-repeat: repeat-x; background-position: bottom right; padding: 10px 10px 10px 10px; background-color: #FFFFFF; }
div#content { }
div#content h2 { font-size: 1.6em; color: #454545; padding: 0 5px 5px 5px; margin: 0; }
div#content ul, div#content ol { margin-left: 35px; margin-right: 20px; }
div#photo { float:left; width: 165px; padding-top: 5px; margin-right: 15px; }
div#pageheader { height: 25px; background-color: #49176D; border: 1px solid #FFFFFF; border-bottom: none; padding-top: 2px; }
div#hdricon { float: left; padding-left: 5px; }
divl#hdrtxt { float: left; }
div#hdrtxt h1 { line-height: normal; color: #FFFFFF; }
div#actions { text-align: right; }
div#actions a { font-size: 1.1em; }
</style>
</head>
<body>
<div id="bodywrapper">
  <div id="centerwrapper">
    <div id="pageheader">
      <div id="hdricon">
        <img src="icon_hr_sm.png" alt="Human Resources Icon" />                         
      </div> <!-- hdricon -->
      <div id="hdrtxt">
        <h1>Human Resources</h1>
      </div> <!-- hdrtext -->
    </div> <!--pageheader -->
    <div id="phototextwrapper">
      <div id="photo">
        <img src="placeholder_photo.png" alt="Placeholder Photo" />                             
      </div> <!-- photo -->
      <div id="content">
        <h2>Headline goes here  </h2>
        <p>Aenean a ligula in lectus molestie scelerisque. Aenean a ligula in lectus molestie scelerisque. </p>
        <ul>
          <li>First bulleted list item #1</li>
          <li>First bulleted list item #2</li>
          <li>First bulleted list item #3</li>
        </ul>
        <p>Aenean a ligula in lectus molestie scelerisque. Aenean a ligula in lectus molestie scelerisque. Sed vulputate tincidunt metus.</p>
        <ul>
          <li>Second bulleted list item #1</li>
          <li>Second bulleted list item #2</li>
          <li>Second bulleted list item #3</li>
        </ul>
        <p>Aenean a ligula in lectus molestie scelerisque. Aenean a ligula in lectus molestie scelerisque. Sed vulputate tincidunt metus. Aenean a ligula in lectus molestie scelerisque. Aenean a ligula in lectus molestie scelerisque. Sed vulputate tincidunt metus. Aenean a ligula in lectus molestie scelerisque. </p>
      </div> <!-- content -->
      <div id="actions">
          <p><a href="#" target=_"blank">Click here for more info</a></p>
      </div> <!-- actions -->
    </div> <!-- phototextwrapper-->
  </div> <!-- centerwrapper -->
</div> <!-- body wrapper -->
</body>
</html>

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by: darkapplePosted on 2009-09-06 at 01:05:13ID: 25269090

try once using list-style to inside.

ul { list-style-type: disc; list-style: inside; padding: 5px 5px 5px 5px;  }

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by: alicia1234Posted on 2009-09-06 at 06:43:21ID: 25269901

Thanks! It ALMOST works!

<o:p> </o:p>

It looks good in Firefox:

http://screencast.com/t/BWCOT0tv

<o:p> </o:p>

But in IE7, the second list is indented too much, and thefirst list still isn't indented enough.

http://screencast.com/t/30cxgGA8if

<o:p> </o:p>

I could live with this as it's much better than it was, butI would really like to get it "perfect"!

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1" />
<title>Bullet Problem</title>
<style type="text/css">
* { margin: 0; padding: 0; border: none; }
img {border: 0; }
html { background-color: #49176D; }
/* Set default font size to 10px (62.5% of 16, the browser default) as basis for em measurements */
body { font: 62.5%/180% "Trebuchet MS", Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; color: #454545; }  
div#clearfloat { clear: both; }
h1 { font-size: 1.9em; font-weight: bold; padding-left: 5px; }
h2 { font-size: 1.6em; font-weight: bold; padding-left: 5px; }
h3 { font-size: 1.5em; font-weight: bold; padding-left: 5px; }
p { font-size: 1.3em; line-height: normal; margin: 0; padding: 5px 5px 5px 5px; }
/*** OLD ul ***/
/* ul { list-style-type: disc; list-style: outside; padding: 5px 5px 5px 5px;  } */
/*** NEW ul ***/
ul { list-style-type: disc; padding: 5px 5px 5px 5px; list-style-position: inside; display:table-row; }
ol { list-style-type: decimal; padding: 5px 5px 5px 5px; }
/*** OLD li ***
/* li { font-size: 1.3em; } */
/*** NEW li ***/
li { font-size: 1.3em; margin-left: 20px; }
div#bodywrapper { width: 556px; margin: 0 auto; padding: 10px 0 18px 0; background-color: #49176D; }
div#centerwrapper { float: left;  width: 548px;  margin-left: 4px; margin-right: 4px;  }
div#phototextwrapper { background-repeat: repeat-x; background-position: bottom right; padding: 10px 10px 10px 10px; background-color: #FFFFFF; }
div#content {  }
div#content h2 { font-size: 1.6em; color: #454545; padding: 0 5px 5px 5px; margin: 0; }
div#content ul, div#content ol { margin-left: 35px; margin-right: 20px; }
div#photo { float: left; width: 165px; padding-top: 5px; margin-right: 15px; }
div#pageheader { height: 25px; background-color: #49176D; border: 1px solid #FFFFFF; border-bottom: none; padding-top: 2px; }
div#hdricon { float: left; padding-left: 5px; }
divl#hdrtxt { float: left; }
div#hdrtxt h1 { line-height: normal; color: #FFFFFF; }
div#actions { text-align: right; }
div#actions a { font-size: 1.1em; }
</style>
</head>
 
<body>
<div id="bodywrapper">
	<div id="centerwrapper">
		<div id="pageheader">
			<div id="hdricon">
				<img src="icon_hr_sm.png" alt="Human Resources Icon" />				
			</div> <!-- hdricon -->
			<div id="hdrtxt">
				<h1>Human Resources</h1>
			</div> <!-- hdrtext -->
		</div> <!--pageheader -->
		<div id="phototextwrapper">
			<div id="photo">
				<img src="placeholder_photo.png" alt="Placeholder Photo" />				
			</div> <!-- photo -->
			<div id="content">
				<h2>Headline goes here	</h2>
				<p>Aenean a ligula in lectus molestie scelerisque. Aenean a ligula in lectus molestie scelerisque. </p>
				<ul>
					<li>First bulleted list item #1</li>
					<li>First bulleted list item #2</li>
					<li>First bulleted list item #3</li>
				</ul>
				<p>Aenean a ligula in lectus molestie scelerisque. Aenean a ligula in lectus molestie scelerisque. Sed vulputate tincidunt metus.</p>
				<ul>
					<li>Second bulleted list item #1</li>
					<li>Second bulleted list item #2</li>
					<li>Second bulleted list item #3</li>
				</ul>
				<p>Aenean a ligula in lectus molestie scelerisque. Aenean a ligula in lectus molestie scelerisque. Sed vulputate tincidunt metus. Aenean a ligula in lectus molestie scelerisque. Aenean a ligula in lectus molestie scelerisque. Sed vulputate tincidunt metus. Aenean a ligula in lectus molestie scelerisque. </p>
			</div> <!-- content -->
						
			<div id="actions">
				<p><a href="#" target=_"blank">Click here for more info</a></p>
			</div> <!-- actions -->
		</div> <!-- phototextwrapper-->
	</div> <!-- centerwrapper -->
</div> <!-- body wrapper -->
</body>
</html>

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by: alicia1234Posted on 2009-09-06 at 06:44:02ID: 25269909

No idea why all that "junk" is at the beginning of my previous post - sorry about that!

by: alicia1234Posted on 2009-09-06 at 06:59:06ID: 25269968

I got rid of the extra margin problem in the 2nd list in IE7 by removing the 35px margin from the content div's ul. So now the only problem that remains is that in IE7, the first list still is not indented enough.

In IE7: http://screencast.com/t/q06nqgDuH

Looks good in Firefox: http://screencast.com/t/clvIYsMLtCc

I also moved the styling changes to the content div's ul and li, not applying them to my global ul and li tags. So here's the code now:

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1" />
<title>Bullet Problem</title>
<style type="text/css">
* { margin: 0; padding: 0; border: none; }
img {border: 0; }
html { background-color: #49176D; }
/* Set default font size to 10px (62.5% of 16, the browser default) as basis for em measurements */
body { font: 62.5%/180% "Trebuchet MS", Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; color: #454545; }  
div#clearfloat { clear: both; }
h1 { font-size: 1.9em; font-weight: bold; padding-left: 5px; }
h2 { font-size: 1.6em; font-weight: bold; padding-left: 5px; }
h3 { font-size: 1.5em; font-weight: bold; padding-left: 5px; }
p { font-size: 1.3em; line-height: normal; margin: 0; padding: 5px 5px 5px 5px; }
/*** DON'T CHANGE THESE STYLES - change the ul, ol and li in the content div ***/
ul { list-style-type: disc; list-style-position: outside; padding: 5px 5px 5px 5px;  } 
ol { list-style-type: decimal; padding: 5px 5px 5px 5px; }
li { font-size: 1.3em; } 
 
div#bodywrapper { width: 556px; margin: 0 auto; padding: 10px 0 18px 0; background-color: #49176D; }
div#centerwrapper { float: left;  width: 548px;  margin-left: 4px; margin-right: 4px;  }
div#phototextwrapper { background-repeat: repeat-x; background-position: bottom right; padding: 10px 10px 10px 10px; background-color: #FFFFFF; }
div#content {  }
div#content h2 { font-size: 1.6em; color: #454545; padding: 0 5px 5px 5px; margin: 0; }
/* div#content ul, div#content ol { margin-left: 35px; margin-right: 20px; } */
 
/*** STYLING CHANGES FOR UL AND LI SHOULD BE HERE, NOT ON GLOBAL TAGS ***/
div#content ul, div#content ol { padding: 5px 5px 5px 5px; list-style-position: inside; display:table-row;  margin-right: 20px; }
div#content ul {  list-style-type: disc; }
div#content ol {  list-style-type: decimal; }
div#content li { margin-left: 20px; }
 
div#photo { float: left; width: 165px; padding-top: 5px; margin-right: 15px; }
div#pageheader { height: 25px; background-color: #49176D; border: 1px solid #FFFFFF; border-bottom: none; padding-top: 2px; }
div#hdricon { float: left; padding-left: 5px; }
divl#hdrtxt { float: left; }
div#hdrtxt h1 { line-height: normal; color: #FFFFFF; }
div#actions { text-align: right; }
div#actions a { font-size: 1.1em; }
</style>
</head>
 
<body>
<div id="bodywrapper">
	<div id="centerwrapper">
		<div id="pageheader">
			<div id="hdricon">
				<img src="icon_hr_sm.png" alt="Human Resources Icon" />				
			</div> <!-- hdricon -->
			<div id="hdrtxt">
				<h1>Human Resources</h1>
			</div> <!-- hdrtext -->
		</div> <!--pageheader -->
		<div id="phototextwrapper">
			<div id="photo">
				<img src="placeholder_photo.png" alt="Placeholder Photo" />				
			</div> <!-- photo -->
			<div id="content">
				<h2>Headline goes here	</h2>
				<p>Aenean a ligula in lectus molestie scelerisque. Aenean a ligula in lectus molestie scelerisque. </p>
				<ul>
					<li>First bulleted list item #1</li>
					<li>First bulleted list item #2</li>
					<li>First bulleted list item #3</li>
				</ul>
				<p>Aenean a ligula in lectus molestie scelerisque. Aenean a ligula in lectus molestie scelerisque. Sed vulputate tincidunt metus.</p>
				<ul>
					<li>Second bulleted list item #1</li>
					<li>Second bulleted list item #2</li>
					<li>Second bulleted list item #3</li>
				</ul>
				<p>Aenean a ligula in lectus molestie scelerisque. Aenean a ligula in lectus molestie scelerisque. Sed vulputate tincidunt metus. Aenean a ligula in lectus molestie scelerisque. Aenean a ligula in lectus molestie scelerisque. Sed vulputate tincidunt metus. Aenean a ligula in lectus molestie scelerisque. </p>
			</div> <!-- content -->
						
			<div id="actions">
				<p><a href="#" target=_"blank">Click here for more info</a></p>
			</div> <!-- actions -->
		</div> <!-- phototextwrapper-->
	</div> <!-- centerwrapper -->
</div> <!-- body wrapper -->
</body>
</html>

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by: kadabaPosted on 2009-09-06 at 07:34:30ID: 25270073

Hi,

Oh I tested with IE 8 and FireFox...

Just ran with IE7 using the compatibility mode and I can see the difference...

IE8 is much more compliant with the CSS Standards than IE7.

I will see what I can do.

cheers,
kadaba

by: kadabaPosted on 2009-09-07 at 02:15:25ID: 25273663

Hi Alicia,

Sorry I couldn't get anything on that.

I was told from one of my friends, Wong
- the margin of ul for IE7 and IE8 are different and it would not be probable to match them up.

I guess you would have to live with the solution that was given earlier.( There s always room for improvement :) ) .

In case I do get some lead on this will definitely keep you informed.

Good luck.

by: alicia1234Posted on 2009-09-07 at 07:44:43ID: 25275392

Thanks for trying to make it "perfect". I can live with what I have.

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