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Drop Down Menus: CSS vs Spry (javascript)

Asked by: me_patrick

Can someone give me the lowdown on Drop Down Menu best practice in words of one syllable please - I'm getting pretty confused with this.

I've been playing around with Dreamweaver and their SPRY menus work well and are easy to create but I was nervous of using them as they require Javascript to be active on the end users browser which of course isn't necessarily a given. So that being so, a single level SPRY navigation bar is as much as you can do safely with further navigation elements available wherever you land. That didnt seem very good to me so I was looking for a pure CSS option that I had understood to be possible.

To that end I found this excellent tutorial at http://ago.tanfa.co.uk/css/examples/css-dropdown-menus.html which outlines in simple terms how to build horizontal/vertical multi-level drop down/pop out menus  great  but theres a catch. Because of limitations with the IE browser and how it handles CSS, they use a javascript fix (the whatever:hover written by Peter Nederlofto) to allow older versions of the IE browser to work with this code so to all intents and purposes it is no different from the SPRY menus, albeit with a smaller number of end users exceptions (i.e. only those that use IE will need to allow Javascript to run rather than all end users as is the case with the SPRY option&. so I think Im back to square one  a single level navigation bar and separate lower level navigation options on each landing page &.. is that really the best way to do it for a site that is aimed at the internet where you are unsure of what browsers are being used rather than an intranet where you have a clearer understanding of the system landscape you are targeting?

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Answers

 

by: jason1178Posted on 2009-10-30 at 09:07:05ID: 25704337

Hi me_patrick,

The short version is this:  If you want a multi-level menu that works in every browser, you will need javascript at some point.  There isn't a pure CSS method that works for everyone.

>> unsure of what browsers are being used
>> I was nervous of using them as they require Javascript to be active

Tell me something.  Go to ANY major site you can think of and view the source on the page.  Do any of them not call a javascript file?

If you are truly worried about the x% of people who are so paranoid that they have effectively neutered their internet experience, design a version of your site that uses no javascript and allow users to choose.

 

by: sokharoitPosted on 2009-10-31 at 11:22:07ID: 25710875

Using Internet explorer to view intranet website containing javascript always get alert. It was good idea to create drop down menus with pure CSS, but still could not stay away from javascript. You could have a look at this link: http://www.opencube.com.

SK

 

by: me_patrickPosted on 2009-11-04 at 09:27:37ID: 31648056

OK Jason - yes it seems what your saying is so blindingly obvious to the community as a whole that it doesn't require any further comment ...  I was just thinking about how to get that point over to potential clients where you effectively have to say 'there's your lovely new site but about 10% of the people who use the most popular browser in the world will have problems with it' (unless of course you build a non-JavaScript doppelganger as you suggest).

Commercially it seems a little bit tricky particularly for smaller companies where every visitor (every potential sale) matters ... but anyway ok - clear choices - bells and whistles knowing some (small minority) people may be put off or just not get it - vs - more static, less interesting affair that is risk free.

Thanks for the feedback anyway.

PS. Thanks sokharoit but I'm looking for solutions that I can build myself rather than buying ready made scripts.

PPS. Jason I had another question open that you were looking at but you have not responded to my last entry - is there no answer to this? Shall I just delete and try again?

Regards.
Patrick.

 

by: jason1178Posted on 2009-11-04 at 10:41:32ID: 25742417

Patrick,

>> Jason I had another question open that you were looking at

Which one?  I confess to falling behind here from time to time.

>> I was just thinking about how to get that point over to potential clients

I wouldn't worry about desktop users that much.  I don't think the number is 10% and if it is, it may be due to mobile browsers which you didn't ask about but if you are looking to cover all bases...

The clients need education, that's all.  Unless you go with a complete HTML-only site with no interactivity, using H1 to H6 tags a la' 1993, someone somewhere is going to have an issue.  Your best bet is not use flyouts or dropdowns if this is a major issue for your client and instead limit the menu bar to a single level of items and have some form of subnavigation on the child pages.  That can be accomplished with HTML/CSS only.

 

by: me_patrickPosted on 2009-11-04 at 11:09:20ID: 25742722

Thanks again.

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