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coldfusion vs php asp.net

How does coldfusion compare to asp.net and php5.  Is it easier to learn?  Does it run well on IIS using MS SQL DB?  The thing I don't like about it is that there seems to be less help and samples available online.  Is it used with Flex?  Whats flex for?
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Run.. run far far away from ColdFusion IMHO

ASP.NET2 is probably easier to learn/use then PHP5 if you use the Microsoft Visual Web Developer Express Edition .. but both are great languages.

I think coldfusion is dead. it was never really any good.
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Wouldn't Expression Web be easier to use than VWD?
Yes .. however VWDEE is a free download
I didn't want to assume you wanted to spend $300 bucks on software :) .. and I've never used Expression Web .. we use Visual Studio at our offices
Sometimes you gota spend money to save money.
True, if you really want to get into .NET .. I would highly recommend investing in Visual Studio ..

Either way, I would recommend not wasting time on ColdFusion
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oops... i was wrong.... it's 75 out of the top fortune 100

http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/proven/
wow!
zsoder - thank the lord you are here!
I've been telling everyone that ColdFusion was dead for years!

But more and more companies and developers are using it all the time!
Please use your vast resources and intellect to help stop this tragedy.

People are saying crazy stuff like "ColdFusion MX 7 is an incredible release. ColdFusion has always been an enterprise-level platform, but these new features may make it THE enterprise platform".

Even though it sounds like you don't know ColdFusion - I'm sure you know what you're talking about - You wouldn't say anything if you didn't I'm sure.

Guys like you DO grow on trees!
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CF seems expensive.  My host already has it but if I want it on my server here, I would have to pay for it?
CF hosting costs will vary as you've probably seen.
You can set your demo environment up at no cost though - there is a free developer edition you can download.
The developer edition is the full enterprise version I believe with connection limitations only, meaning only a few ip's can connect to it.
cf is about 1200usd which is not php or asp however you can use eclipse with cfeclipse as your ide so there's no cost there  

of course as someone so recently said in this thread "Sometimes you gota spend money to save money." :)

cf also has bonus features like the built in ability to create pdfs and the new version out in the fall will have built in image processing so you could do things like build a site where client could upload photos, change size and contrast then do some color correction....all within the web browser with basically one tag


<cfimage type="colorcorrect" value="#form.value#"> (that's just a guess at what it will look like but that's how easy cf is...

cf is a RAD (rapid application development) and developer time is the most expensive thing there is in the web world...anything to cut those costs is well worth the initial outlay...

and btw cf comes in a non crippled ip limited developer version so you can play about to your hearts content...and if you use a host, you'd never even have to buy the full version




Ok.  Where can I download the developer edition?  Do you know how much different version 8 will be?
haven't read up on v8 ...
Sid - where do you download dev edition?
I believe you just go to adobe then coldfusion then downloads then trial software
and you just select the enterprise edition and I believe they give you a developer serial ...

I haven't downloaded for awhile ..
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Sid - you're better at the feature plugs than I ...

Be sure and tell him about how now that CFMX is written in Java -
He has a plethera of Java functionality he can take advantage of.
and et cetera et cetera ...
ok dg...

CFMX is written in Java -
you have a plethora of Java functionality you can take advantage of...

clustering and cross cluster session management
simple integration of java applets and C++ dlls
you can package and deploy to ears/wars
and of course since java is cross platform, we're not dealing with IE specific activeX controls for additional functionality (need i mention the  security and user acceptability of each??)

et cetera et cetera ...

I downloaded and installed Coldfusion on my dev server.  It seems pretty cool.  I went through the tutorial to display images and data from a database.  It seems pretty easy so far.  But then I wanted to display the client IP address.  I searched a few of the sites, google, EE and couldn't even find an example.  I just wish there were more examples out there.
I found the answer on easycfm.com  .  I'm liking this so far....  It seems a lot easier to grasp than asp.net and I can stick with my favorite app (dreamweaver).

<cfoutput>
#cgi.remote_addr#
</cfoutput>

Any other comments before I give y'all the points?
book recommendations for beginners?
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probably a dumb question but what do you mean by CFDocs?  Do you have a link to them or are those the ones that installed with ColdFusion?
that is a dumb question ...

;)

they are installed with CF if you selected them to be installed (during installation)