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Netscape table background problem

Asked by: twist_

Here is the site:

http://caffevenezia.co.uk

Recently I posted a problem I had with a flickering background image. The solution suggested was to include background colours for the page/tables as well as an image to stop the flickering on load.  This worked nicely.

Unfortunately now in Netscape 4 I have a problem in that the cells are showing the bgcolor value, while behind the cells is the background image.

Note I have a table embedded within another table to ensure that Netscape renders the image as a whole and not tiled as suggested here:

http://www.netmechanic.com/news/vol3/html_no8.htm

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Answers

 

by: jaysolomonPosted on 2003-05-23 at 09:13:17ID: 8573073

first things first


quit trying to code for NS4x. It is a waste of your time, and money.

What looks good in NS4x might not look good in newer browsers, and vise versa

Code for newer browsers, and if it works in NS4x fine, and if it don't then that will be the user(s) problem, not yours

jAy

 

by: twist_Posted on 2003-05-24 at 05:32:17ID: 8577009

Not exactly the answer I was looking for...

 

by: ThGPosted on 2003-05-24 at 13:47:29ID: 8578386

twist_: please post some piece of sample code.

What did you expect? if you have a table with background image and you give bgcolor to its cells OF COURSE you see the bgcolor, because they are above the table...

 

by: twist_Posted on 2003-05-25 at 05:16:37ID: 8579877

<body bgcolor="#692A35" background="images/red.jpg" class="text">

<table border="0"  background="images/venice.jpg"  bgcolor="#E1DDDA"  align="center" >
<tr>
<td>

<table border="0" cellspacing="15" cellpadding="15"  width="700" background="">
<tr>

<td valign="top" align="center" colspan="2">


I DO NOT Specify the TD bgcolor....in Netscape it must inherit from the table bgcolor while ignoring the background image (venice.jpg).

 

by: ThGPosted on 2003-05-25 at 05:33:09ID: 8579904


sorry i don't know what's wrong with it, it looks right.

I would try two things, convert background files to .gif, and put them on the same directory.

anyway don't give align="" parameter to table, rather open <div align="center"> before <table>
(and close it after </table>)

 

by: twist_Posted on 2003-05-26 at 01:40:10ID: 8583183

Thanks for the ideas but neither of them worked....anyone else got a suggestion?

 

by: szczepanPosted on 2003-05-26 at 21:01:35ID: 8587483

so you have a nested table?...

try those:

-- set the same background image for the second (nested) table - if it looks any good (background might be shifted...)
-- set bgcolor="" for the second table

making something work in older browsers is always a pain;

good luck

 

by: twist_Posted on 2003-05-27 at 03:32:24ID: 8588998

Thanks,  tried your ideas but they don't work either.  Setting the same background image for the nested table creates the same problem
I was avoiding in the first place by using nested tables.

I'm increasing the points available for this question again....

 

by: cyberwhizPosted on 2003-05-28 at 13:55:57ID: 8601099

I was actually trying to do the exact same thing on a page a few years ago.

Everything I read when trying to solve the problem seemed to suggest that setting the background image in a nested table in NS 4 is not possible. You might try using the CSS watermark feature though I doubt it works in NS 4.

 

by: cyberwhizPosted on 2003-05-28 at 13:56:38ID: 8601106

by a few years ago, I mean last year :]

 

by: SquareHeadPosted on 2003-05-28 at 14:55:57ID: 8601522

Hmm, this sounds like a problem I had a while ago.

Take the image out of the bottom table and place into the bottom table's cell. Then add background="" to the cells of the top (nested) table. Like this:

<body bgcolor="#692A35" background="images/red.jpg" class="text">

<table border="0"  align="center" >
 <tr>
  <td background="images/venice.jpg" >

   <table border="0" cellspacing="15" cellpadding="15"  width="700">
    <tr>
     <td valign="top" align="center" colspan="2" background="">

That works for me in NS 4.76... Hope it works for you
SqHd

 

by: SquareHeadPosted on 2003-05-28 at 15:04:13ID: 8601586

I forgot to mention: the table BEHIND the nested table should be a single-celled table: 1 row, 1 column... So the whole thing would be similar to:

<table border="0"  align="center">
<tr>
 <td background="images/venice.jpg">

  <table border="0" cellspacing="15" cellpadding="15"  width="700">
   <tr>
    <td valign="top" align="center" colspan="2" background="">cell #1</td>
    <td valign="top" align="center" colspan="2" background="">cell #2</td>
   </tr>
   <tr>
    <td valign="top" align="center" colspan="2" background="">cell #3</td>
    <td valign="top" align="center" colspan="2" background="">cell #4</td>
   </tr>
  </table>

  </td>
 </tr>
</table>


If you omit the [ background="" ] in the nested table's cells, those cells will display another copy of the OTHER table's bgimage!
HTH,
SqHd

 

by: twist_Posted on 2003-05-28 at 15:31:38ID: 8601785

Damn I was hoping that one would work,  but it didn't...the cells still show the bgcolor value on top of the background image...

btw I'm using Netscape® Navigator 4.08

 

by: SquareHeadPosted on 2003-05-28 at 21:08:40ID: 8603242

Ah, I forgot you needed the bgcolor in the table to correct the image flickering problem... There's really no way to have color defined in those cells AND have the background image on top.

Maybe try placing a transparent gif in the cells rather than bgcolor...

btw, please ignore the colspans in my earlier suggestion.

Good luck!

 

by: twist_Posted on 2003-06-01 at 13:51:54ID: 8625450

In the end I decided to do a browser check in ASP and formulate the HTML
based on the browser and version.  Not what I wanted but better than nothing!

If anyone can find a solution to this in HTML I'd still like to know it!


Thanks everyone....what's the policy here?

Do I dish out points to those who helped me even though there's no working answer?

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