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LEARNING HTML

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hi i am new to this so dont get complicated on my a$$ but i need to learn html as i really think that microsoft Fronypage SUCKS where/how can i learn this??

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Answers

 

by: SiraXPosted on 2003-04-09 at 03:54:49ID: 8298543

Check out this good webpage: http://www.w3schools.com/, it's a good page to learn html and co.

 

by: markhoyPosted on 2003-04-09 at 04:20:06ID: 8298650

if you download www.shareaza.com, install it and do a search on "Learn HTML" you'll get loads of ebooks to download.... and applications etc

or www.jalfrezi.com is pretty useful

 

by: daleoranPosted on 2003-04-09 at 04:21:08ID: 8298657

Hi cornish
check out
www.htmlgoodies.com

and if you can get u're hands on the HTMLGoodies book it's excellent

Michael

 

by: jaysolomonPosted on 2003-04-09 at 06:03:19ID: 8299274

For HTML Click this Link
http://www.w3schools.com/html/default.asp

For XHTML which will Replace HTML 4.01
http://www.w3schools.com/xhtml/default.asp

jAy

 

by: markhoyPosted on 2003-04-09 at 06:05:46ID: 8299294

w3school is OK as a reference but not my favourite to learn stuff...

 

by: webwomanPosted on 2003-04-09 at 08:04:01ID: 8300227

Your best friend is VIEW/SOURCE in your browser.

Get a decent reference book. Download a decent code editor. And trash FrontPage. ;-)

 

by: jaysolomonPosted on 2003-04-09 at 08:19:20ID: 8300354

Excellent webwoman

That is how i learned 90% of what i know. I did not have no degree, professor to teach me.

FrontPage in my opinion Sucks. If i had to point someone to an editor, i would suggest Dreamweaver. It is not free, but it is well worth the money.

There are numerous of free ones available online to start with.

 

by: keith_dudePosted on 2003-04-09 at 08:20:11ID: 8300362

I use HTML-Kit for my code editing.   You can get it at
http://www.chami.com/html-kit/devtools/


To learn, I picked up a book called "Sam's Teach Yourself HTML in 24 hours."  It's a great book, and I got it on sale for $10.   I read through it, and then just started doing it.   I built a few simple sites, and used www.geocities.com to host them for me.   I put up pictures of my wife, my kid, my dogs, a site for my sister's wedding, and stuff like that.  

 

by: SiraXPosted on 2003-04-09 at 09:36:21ID: 8300948

A good reference is also http://www.selfhtml.net/!

And a good editor you can find at http://www.ultraedit.com/

 

by: markhoyPosted on 2003-04-09 at 09:50:24ID: 8301043

HTML writers guild: http://www.hwg.org/

http://www.jmarshall.com/easy/html/

http://www.webmonkey.com will bring you from the basics all the way to very advanced HTML. You can start there tutorial from the very beginning here:

http://hotwired.lycos.com/webmonkey/96/53/index0a.html?tw=authoring
Also, www.builder.com has a lot of great tutorials.  You may also want to check out www.zdtv.com and www.webdeveloperjournal.com

http://www.pageresource.com/html/index.html

 

by: COBOLdinosaurPosted on 2003-04-09 at 14:26:28ID: 8302929

This is a good place to start:

http://www.pageresource.com/html/index.html

Cd&

 

by: kmsieverPosted on 2003-04-09 at 15:03:36ID: 8303174

I too agree that the best way to learn is to try the "View Source" feature. I started learning HTML when I went from the "Basic" editing feature on Geocities to the "Advanced" editing feature and started noticing this like all my bold text was surrounded with <b></b> tags.

"FrontPage in my opinion Sucks. If i had to point someone to an editor, i would suggest Dreamweaver. It is not free, but it is well worth the money."

I completely disagree. For a WYSIWYG editor, I'd choose FrontPage 2002 over DreamWeaver MX any day. But that's really not the purpose of this thread, is it. ;)

Here are some more good resources:

http://www.cwru.edu/help/introHTML/
http://www.devguru.com/Technologies/html/quickref/html_index.html
http://www.davesite.com/webstation/html/
http://dmoz.org/Computers/Data_Formats/Markup_Languages/HTML/Tutorials/Beginners/

If you're going to learn how to code in HTML, you will need to learn how to write CSS. With the advent of web design standards, designing purely in HTML is becoming a thing of the past and just makes things problematic.

Here are some good CSS resources:

http://www.w3schools.com/css/
http://dmoz.org/Computers/Programming/Internet/CSS/Tutorials/
http://www.devguru.com/Technologies/css/quickref/css_index.html
http://www.alistapart.com/stories/journey/
http://www.alistapart.com/stories/tohell/
http://www.alistapart.com/stories/forgiving/

 

by: phatePosted on 2003-04-10 at 06:27:02ID: 8306542

Personally, i learnt it from:
http://www.davesite.com/webstation/html/

Although, another great site is:
http://www.webmonkey.com/

Hope This Helps,
Phate

 

by: nerramPosted on 2003-04-10 at 07:35:43ID: 8306791

http://www.echoecho.com
http://www.htmlgoodies.com
http://www.virtuallyignorant.com

Three sites where youdont need to know how to program and everything is up to date and easy to understand

 

by: kasandraPosted on 2003-04-11 at 02:03:48ID: 8312419

 

by: mattjp88Posted on 2003-04-11 at 19:35:26ID: 8317078

my best advice is to go to somewhere that has a whole bunch of javascripts and HTML, like www.javascriptsource.com, and then copy the scripts to a blank html page and then play around with the code.  that is how i learned.  i lean bet not from reading, but from doing.  that is my advice but not everyone is like me

-Matt

 

by: Alex01234Posted on 2003-04-13 at 17:02:01ID: 8323708

my first tutorial was at http://webmonkey.com

and Forget the Forntpage nonsense.... that'll just mess you in the long run.. if you want a webbuilding tool use dreamweaver.

 

by: supermidgetPosted on 2003-05-02 at 03:21:42ID: 8443720

Frontpage sucks, though it gives a good opportunity to learn html code... For example; you want a table but you don't know how. Open up frontpage, insert a table, check the source and see how it's done.

The second thing you need to do is trying to adapt the code to get what you want. If you're stuck; run frontpage again and make it generate the thing, then see what you did wrong.

The third thing: If you want something that is not in frontpage, check out any search engine to find what you need. For example search for "html tables tutorial".

This is the way i've been learning, and still learning html. Checking out websites' sourcecode is also a good method, as suggested before.

Use notepad as your editor. Don't use hightec software or whatever, at most a html editor that colors the tags.

conclusion: forget frontpage as a webpage builder, but keep it as a tool to understand Html

 

by: COBOLdinosaurPosted on 2003-05-02 at 06:58:39ID: 8444731

I can't believe anyone would advocate using a trash genrator like Frontpage to learn how to code.  All anyone will learn from Frontpage is how to write garbage code;  non-standard code; code that breaks cross-browser; code that mis-uses tables; code that sytles on a primitive level, and code that is impossible to maintain.  You learn to write code by writing it and debugging it yourself, not by playing with the output of a trash generator.

Cd&

 

by: keith_dudePosted on 2003-05-02 at 07:05:48ID: 8444784

I've got to agree with the dinosaur.   Just pick up a book (or tutorial) and start from scratch if you want to learn it.   I have to maintain a lot of code that was originally created by Dreamweaver--by the guy before me.   I loathe Dreamweaver now.   :)  

 

by: supermidgetPosted on 2003-05-02 at 07:10:54ID: 8444830

i think we're human enough to see what's trash and what not...

i also recommend this link, it shows the html output while you type the code:

http://xlerator.beefhole.nl/maakopmaak/maakopmaak.php

 

by: kmsieverPosted on 2003-05-02 at 07:25:52ID: 8444957

"I can't believe anyone would advocate using a trash genrator like Frontpage to learn how to code."

I don't think anyone in this thread advocated the use of FrontPage to learn how to code.

 

by: keith_dudePosted on 2003-05-02 at 07:32:44ID: 8445016

"Open up frontpage, insert a table, check the source and see how it's done."


-- Sounds like someone did advocate the use of FrontPage to learn code.  


 

by: supermidgetPosted on 2003-05-02 at 07:44:47ID: 8445092

ofcourse frontpage produces alot of crap, but come on, if you don't know <td> <tr>  and stuff, it can still help you.
just like the geocities editor. i, myself, found it very useful in the early stage of me as a webbuilder, but now i progressed it's no use to me, and looks like nothing but crap.

i also think that alot of people would call other persons code crap, because it's just not their way of doing it.

 

by: kmsieverPosted on 2003-05-02 at 08:10:52ID: 8445297

I stand corrected.

Personally, I find any code crap that isn't standards compliant and doesn't use CSS to separate style from content. Doesn't matter if it was done by hand or with a WYSIWYG editor.

But that really is getting off the purpose of this thread.

 

by: COBOLdinosaurPosted on 2003-05-02 at 09:45:25ID: 8446028

>>>ofcourse frontpage produces alot of crap

Then why would suggest that they look at that to learn anything.  Why start someone with bad coding techniques that they have to unlearn later.  There are plenty of good tutorials available. A number of good links have been posted.  Suggesting learning HTML or anything else from from page is suggesting one learn accounting from Enron executives.  They may learn some underlying principles, but they will learn more wrong thing than right things.

Cd&

 

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