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Fall in Google ranking?

One of my sites achieved No.7 position on Google's first page and No.1 and 4 on Yahoo and Bing respectively within six weeks.
Suddenly the site has dropped out of the first 50 on Google, though it has retained its position on Yahoo and Bing.
the site is being crawled every two weeks by Google.  I have checked through all the Webmaster criteria and there is no problem.  On Hubspot in the same period the rating has dropped from 83 to 66.
I am puzzled and do not know what else to do.  Another page assessment tool I use gives the site a 97% ranking for off page and 92% for on page.
Can anyone help please
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hi,

google ranking and yahoo ranking works on different spiders may i know what ur using for it.
and what changes u had made in it, so that it would be easy to track and resolve
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Hi
I know that the ranking is different fr the various search engines.
My point is this:
Goolge had this site at no 7 at the time that Yahoo and Bing had it at 1 and 4 respectively

Now Google no long has it appearing in the first 50 results (at least) while the other two still display it in the same place.  Something has happened as far as Google is concerned and I do not know what it is.
hi,
tht's y i asked u wht u did to place it in 7 place . since, google crawlers always tries to relocate a new meta tags(its an eg) in it top ranking websites.
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hi seiko 08
thanks for the tip.  yes I think it would have been around the beginning of May.
It has just disappeared out of sight - and I cant think of anything that I changed.
I was very please to have gotten to 7 or 8 in just five weeks - then nothing.
Google made a change to their algorithm that caused a lot of sites to drop in ranking which also resulted in a loss in traffic. Can I ask was it the homepage or was it a longtail url? Something like the URL of this page vs. https://www.experts-exchange.com. The reason I'm asking is that the change they made impacted the longtail results. From what I saw, other members please feel free to chime in with your own thoughts, product pages that contained little or no information about the actual product or keyterm were replaced with those that contained more information. I'd see if adding more valid content to the pages would help. Also building backlinks can also help remedy, but I'd pair this with adding more quality content to the pages needing to regain ranking. On the off-chance you consider closing this I'd leave it open, I'd really like to hear some other member's input as well.
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Hi Seilo.
No it was the home page that disappeared.   I use two different evaluators to get some idea of how well my pages are optimised for onpage.   this one was nearly 100%.
the content was good and relevant, correct number of words and weighting of keywords, alt tages, headlines - the works.
I am pretty experienced in that side of things and have more than 20 pages of my sites on the first page of Google.
So it was not poor or irrlevant content.
There are also hundreds of backlinks to this site.  It is really weird - I would normally have expected it to be around 2 or 3 by now.
BUt it is not in the top 500 and I cant see it in the first 100.
I would like to keep this open because there is much to learn.
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Hi seiko
Forget to mention this which may be relevant.  Hubspot, the Website grader, does come back saying that I should do a re-direct from site.com to site.com/index.html
there was also something about a conflict when I was researching this on Google Webmaster.
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Hi seiko
Another clue.
I have a url productvintage.com
The keyword phrase product vintage was the subject of around 823,000 searches a month for the last
year or so.
I optimised my site www.productvintage.com for the keywords product vintage, meta tags, content et al.
It was this which produced no 7 position after five or six weeks.
However now when I check on Google adwords the keyword phrase prodcut vintage does not feature at all in 250 results.
Furthermore on my Webmaster results for the site, there are 24 Search queries listed with the various number of searches shown against each query.   But the most important one, that attracted 823,000 searches in Google every month, before it disappeared, is absent.

What is going on??
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And remember, you have to give it 2 weeks to restore rank, if google is indexing it every week -- maybe 3.
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thanks scrathcyboy.
Will do.
I am leaving this open for another day in case it benefits anyone else.
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Hi scrathcyboy
An after thought.

Some of the subsidiary pages were also featuring for their search terms.
Clearly one cannot keep changing content on ALL the pages on the site.
What is the solution then?
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hi,
dynamically try to change meta tags and contents too using some scripting language. @scrathcyboy pls correct me if i am wrong.
This would make google to take action on your page as @scrathcyboy has commented.
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Hi Andy
the keyword count of 823,000 was taken from the Keyword tool results in Google adwords.
Over a number of months I confirmed tht it was running at that level.
Today it does not show at all in the results, njot fo any number of searches.  Weird.
the other thing is that the keyword search phrase does not come up as a search query at all in the Webmaster check Again weird.
I know tht a direct match in the url is only one factor, i.e. it is better to have it than not
I did a Googlebot in Webmaster last night and it came up fine.
I also did a crawl test in SEOmoz and that came up fine.
I was interested in your comment about the six week honeymoon for google.  
With your help and observations perhaps I can restore order.
But it is funny how this search phrase seems to have disappeared into the ether
Just think logically

What does the keyword "Product Vintage" mean, on its own

Nothing... the word order is wrong.

If you saw a higher number before it was a bug in their data set. You don't build a whole site around a keyword unless you have confirmed the data in some way, or you are building 100s of sites automatically and thus a few can fall through the cracks.

You currently have a problem with your nameservers
http://www.intodns.com/productvintage.com

You have Google Webmaster Tools - if you were on the first page of results for a few weeks you should have seen something in the new keyword terms search data reporting.
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the term "product Vintage" ws illustrative rather than actual.  
I was not sure how public to go about the site.
The keywords used were apt and very relevant to the service being promoted.
i.e. I have never used the words product vintage.  
sorry, I did not mean to mislead so the point re the name servers is not relevant
"Clearly one cannot keep changing content on ALL the pages on the site."

then your ranking with google WILL drop over time, moreso than with bing or the others.  It is a fact of life with google's search indexing at the current TIME.
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Hi guys
I am still unsure of what the conclusions are.  This is partly because unwittingly I misleadingly used the term product vintage purely illustratively.
I am fairly new to this forum and I am not sure whether I should communicate mention the web site in quetion in open forum and whether to do so might produce something more specific on how google is appearing to be totalling ignoring a search term that only three or four weeks ago was invoking more than 800,000 searches a month, according to Google's own Keyword Tool statistics.
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thanks for your input