What's time to a pig?

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A salesman is driving down a country road and breaks down a little ways away from a farmhouse -- don't you just love jokes that start that way? -- so he walks up the driveway to see if he can use the phone. In the front yard, he finds the farmer, who is picking up a pig and holding it up so the pig can bite an apple off the tree.

The farmer puts the pig down while the pig eats the apple, and then picks the pig up again so the pig can get another apple. This goes on for about five minutes while the salesman watches -- pick the pig up, get the apple, put the pig down -- about half a dozen times.

Finally the salesman can't stand it, and says to the farmer, "Wouldn't it save a lot of time if you just shook the tree and let the pig eat the apples off the ground?!?"

The farmer looks at the salesman and says, "What's time to a pig?"

For a joke to be effective, it has to contain an element of truth; fantasy is rarely funny, but reality is stuff you can't make up. Fortunately, that's not what this article is about, and I'm not that certain I'm qualified to do any significant analysis of humor involving stranded motorists, farmers and pigs anyway.

The first time I heard the joke, it was spoken in a soft Texas drawl by a wine salesman at a "clean joke" contest sponsored by a client -- a restaurant in Santa Cruz, California. The last time I told the joke, the listener didn't quite get offended, but he did consider that it was directed at him. That wasn't the case, I told him; "I just like the punch line," I said. But that got me thinking: maybe it was about him in an indirect way.

While it's not strictly a technical issue, the fact is that almost all of us serve another master OR are the master of an organization. We work for someone else, and at one point or another, we have all had gripes about the way "The Powers That Be" do things. We're the pigs whose job it is to make sure the yard doesn't have apples rotting in it.

In that sense, the farmer is the kind of manager you'd like to work for. His job is to see that the yard is attractive, including being free of rotting apples. He could let the pig just roam around -- but no pig really likes rotten apples, so that won't work. He could get a whole bunch of pigs, but after the apples are gone, he'll need to make staffing adjustments -- never a fun task unless you really like bacon.

The pig knows his task and goal and the metrics by which his performance will be evaluated, and has been given everything he needs to accomplish it. The farmer has enabled the pig to make him more efficient, has delivered a clear set of requirements, is providing the necessary and expected oversight but at the same time isn't telling the pig everything about how to eat the apples and isn't making a big deal about which apples get eaten when... and at the same time keeps that unseen wife happy because the yard doesn't have any rotting apples.

Another perspective has the pig as a customer. He likes apples, especially the fresh ones -- and it so happens that the farmer has them available at a price the pig finds attractive. The farmer -- being a company that wants to do right by his customers -- makes it as easy as possible for the pig to acquire the apples. He recognizes the objections the pig might have ("they're too high for me to reach" and "the fresh ones are not available") and uses some innovative methods to get the pig to buy. Is it inconvenient; perhaps. But if the farmer has his return on investment calculated accurately -- he IS, after all, now holding the pig -- then the extra step he takes will ensure that a) he is not left with any unsold inventory and b) his reputation as a provider of apples will be positive. That extra time he spends on his customer is repaid countless times.

Back in one of my earlier careers -- I couldn't tolerate the business so I got out pretty quickly, but I still learned a few things that have saved me some money in the years since -- I found out that when dealing with a salesman, the only real advantage the customer has is that he can always walk away, and if he does, it means the salesman has spent a lot of time with nothing to show for it; it's an especially effective tactic when dealing with commission-only folks. If as a customer you're aware of that, then time is your ally; you control it before you walk in the door, and it is yours to spend, whether or not you are going to buy. If you commit to spending an hour looking at, say, a new car, then you already know when you're going to walk away. That means that hour is, for all intents and purposes, gone, and it therefore means nothing. The pig doesn't give a whit about how long it takes to eat the apples -- it's not his problem -- so the vendor had better not make too much of it either.

The point is that in a business relationship, it's all about the customer.

Another possibility is to consider the implications and demands that time puts on us, and how the disruptions of our carefully crafted schedules make us slaves to an unseen master -- to which pigs (and apparently a few kindly farmers) are immune. I haven't worn a watch for quite a few years now, in no small part because I work at home, have very few demands on my schedule imposed by others, and rarely do much that is hour or minute dependent, which means that I have to pay a little attention to a calendar but not much else. Time doesn't really mean that much to me (unless there are fewer than ten seconds and my 7th grade basketball team is down -- or up -- by three points or less).

That's not so for most of the people I work with (such as it is). They have to be someplace at a specific time several times a day. They must spend a certain amount of time doing various things -- working, commuting, eating lunch -- all of which are based on the expectations of other people. Indeed, there are always those people who consider spending the time at least as important, at least in terms of keeping their jobs, as accomplishing anything. When those expectations aren't met, lives get complicated, which, all things considered, seems to detract from the things that are valuable in life. Pigs don't have that problem.

Then again, it could be that it's just a good, clean joke.
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by:Kevin Cross
Thanks, Eric.
Voted yes above!
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ericpete - the Title is a real 'grabber'. I've heard umpty-seven versions of that joke through the years and it always seems to be followed by a good lesson ... this one included.

Big ol' yes vote.
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An interesting article, which I'd probably not have read were it not for the off-beat title and the amusing lead-in joke. Gets a 'Yes' vote from me.
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Interesting article.  Let's put it into perspective.  Think of an Admin,  Moderator or a ZAPE.  Interstinging if you think of it in that context.  Are we not the pig, or are we the farmer.

Which way do we go in our day to day work.  As managers, same thing.  We have to decide are we the farmer or the pig.  Or,..... are we the dude on the outside looking in.

Go article Eric.

Which one are you?

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mwvisa1 / younghv / evilrix,

Thank you, folks. I appreciate your comments.


*laughing*... I've always assumed that the admins were the farmers. They need to empower the Moderators, Zone Advisors and Page Editors to be the best they can be. If that means picking them up to help them eat the apples, then that's what they do. After all, what's time to a farmer?


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So, I guess I did read it right

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by:Mark Wills
In the macro view of "Front Office" then there is the obvious (fauna-cated) parallel of Pig to Badger - but then that is the same misdirected assumption that the Salesman made - where in reality the Badgers is the Farmer and the Pigs are the Askers being hand fed, leaving the role of Salesman to ummm... errr... EE ?

Looking at the micro view of the Expert space, then it becomes obvious that the Experts are the customer, and also do the work, so clearly the Pig. We all know who the salesman really is :)  Calling out the obvious but misdirected focus, and really meaning something else... It leaves us with the quandry of who is the Farmer ? Could that be EE or is that (in our micro view) the Admins ?

Then, with all this talk about Pigs, it does remind me of Bacon - meaning Breakfast - typically accompanied by eggs. Here we see the total commitment of the Pig where as the Hen is simply a contributor, and obviously someone has made the Breakfast (being the Farmer I guess).

So, what we end up with is the Farmer purposely and intelligently manipulating the Pig (who is obviously totally committed) to achieve a goal not immediately obvious to the Salesman for the greater good of the Customer.

The puzzling (uncomfortable) thought is the ease with which Experts can be symbolised as Pigs in all the above scenarios :)

So now we have Farmers, Pigs, Badgers and even Hens, sounding more like an extract from George Orwell's Animal Farm - now there is an allegory more profound than the Joke, with a variety of messages. Not least of which is the Seventh Commandment of Animalism "All animals are equal". However we are also aware in Animal Farm that the Pigs elevate themselves to positions of leadership.

Thus cementing the concept that Badgers are Pigs.

In reality the message we receive from "Animal Farm : A Fairy Story" (curiously enough the title was changed for the Americans) is more simply expressed in the joke revealing how potential ignorance and indifference to problems can be disasterous if we do not allow the peoples voice to influence our decisions and help shape our community.

So, could it be that EricPete has become "Orwell-esque" and this may well be one of the true great Articles yet to be realised ?

Well, not if he keeps calling us PE's (indirectly, somewhat subconciously, but symbolically) pigs - we vote on such matters *laughing* and so the positioning of Pig Power begins. Let us believe that Farmer Eric and Farmer Glenn can feed the pigs just so, and keep this community well functioning and enjoyable for many more years to come...

The again, it could just be a funny joke... And voted "Yes"

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Don't tell me you're surprised... *laughing*


You're reading WAYYY too much into it. Really. It's just about being patient, about empowering, and about considering the needs of others before you consider your own.

I never considered EE as any real part of it -- the salesman, perhaps, based on how I've seen Computer101 administer the site and knowing a bit about how perplexed they all are at his and Netminder's style. They've been at it for a while... so apparently, they understand the constraints imposed by time well enough to have overcome them.

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Expert Comment

For every three readers, I'll bet that there are at least four opinions on what that joke's *really* about.  

My take:
The farmer happened to be carrying a pigglet in his arms one day when he passed the apple tree.   The small pig stretched his neck and chomped a low-hanging fruit.  This technique seemed to be a very good way to feed the pig...  well at least it clearly worked.  Thereafter, the farmer stopped looking for any other way to feed the pig.    When the low-hanging fruit was all gone, he had to lift the pig higher, even over his head -- and this became problematic as the pig grew to adulthood.  He eventually had to get a ladder, then a helicopter to get the pig up to the apples.

When confronted with obvious logic describing more efficient ways to accomplish the task, his response was a complete non sequitur ("Whats' time to a pig?"), which I read as equivalent to:  "But... but... but... That's the way we DO it."

Managers -- *good* middle managers -- tend to stick with what works.  Rocking the boat is a risk.  Many managers will not change a policy even after it is shown to be inefficient, obsolete, even counterproductive.    In this case, the "current policy" is so ridiculous that even a passing non-farmer can see problems with it.

But *GREAT* managers are open to suggestions.  The farmer has somehow "locked himself in" on a pig-lifting policy when a tree-shaking policy would be infinitely better -- not just in time savings, but in every way.   He needs an outsider to shake things up and he needs to listen... or he'll forever be, at best, a *good* manager.

Anyway... this article made me stop and think.  Got my Yes vote.
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That's an interesting take; I'm not sure I buy it completely (although the part about "doing it the way we've always done it" is certainly valid), but at least it got you to think about things, which is all I really wanted to do in the first place.

The first time I heard it, I considered it a "take the time to smell the roses" kind of story -- which is probably why I like it. It seems to me that because we are shoehorned into thinking about schedules, deadlines and appointments, we don't "take the time" to consider the possibility that the few extra minutes we spend might be the most valuable time we spend.

You and I spent several days in SLO last year, courtesy of Experts Exchange, during which time we both had a good number of other things that were expected of us. Yet the most valuable time, at least in terms of accomplishing something, was the unscheduled time we spent just having a conversation. I think that's what I mean when I ask "what's time to a pig". We could have easily said "we have stuff to do" and let the opportunity pass. To me, in that sense, thinking like the pig -- and not bothering to take note of "time" -- was what mattered most.

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I think the true meaning is that the pig loves this and is laughing at all of us
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Expert Comment

>> pig loves this and is laughing at all of us
Or maybe ep is :)

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