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The bad hard disk problem

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Many people find themselves in a situation while using PC's that they suspect or find out they have a hard disk problem. The big question then is what to do about it; how to handle the problem, and in which order.  This article is intended to help people with those problems.

Here is my troubleshooting guide for hard disks:

1-How to set up the PC?
a) If you have a PC with an OS that is fully functional, I suggest to take the problem drive and hook it directly to the SATA or IDE connector - so don't use any USB bridges, or external USB boxes.

WHY?  These use a bridge chip that converts the USB interface to the SATA or IDE interface, thus adding an extra layer (read : more possible problems)

An IDE drive is best connected with a separate IDE cable, and jumpered as Master (you don't need the cd drive at this point, so disconnect it.

If that is not possible, you add it as 2nd device, and verify the correct jumpering ! (probably as Slave)
Any SATA drive is Master on its own cable, and can be connected without any jumpering problem.

b) If the problem disk is a laptop drive, you have to use a 2.5" to 3.5" IDE adaptor cable (which does NOT add an extra layer); here an example (not even 5$):
  https://www.amazon.com/StarTech-com-3-5-Inch-Drive-Adapter-IDE4044/dp/B00006B8C2

c) If for some reason, you cannot directly connect the drive, and have to use an USB adaptor, you can use a powered one that connects 2.5", and 3.5" IDE, and SATA drives:  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812156102
***note that some diagnostic cd's will not recognise any USB devices!

2-How to handle the problem disk ?
- when you connect your (new) disk, verify if it is seen in the bios; this is the FIRST MUST : it must be identified correct  in the bios!
Only then can you pursue other testing or diagnosing avenues

- if not, check the options you have for the disk for installing it, e.g., jumper, power connector, other cable...
you can also swap cables, and use other power connectors, to avoid bad contact problems.

How to install an IDE disk:  http://www.easeus.com/resource/install-ide-hard-drive.htm
How to install a SATA disk:  http://www.easeus.com/resource/install-sata-hard-drive.htm

- here a nice guide for installing and testing a disk drive : http://knowledge.seagate.com/articles/en_US/FAQ/196169en

- then run the full manufacturers (long test) Diagnostic on it - you find them all here, if you can still boot up your OS  : http://www.tacktech.com/display.cfm?ttid=287

- if you are unable to boot the PC from disk, run the diagnostics from a bootable diagnostic cd, like: http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/      

- and, if I have old disks or disk drives of unknown quality, I run HDD Regenerator over them: http://www.dposoft.net/
You can also use Spinrite.  These tools repair more than 60% of all drives reported bad!

- if the data must be recovered, you can try to replace the disk logic board, with one of the same model and firmware, as shown in this article:  http://www.deadharddrive.com/

 -  a discussion on the disk sizes :  http://www.dewassoc.com/kbase/hard_drives/hard_drive_size_barriers.htm

3- And what if you need the data, from an unbootable disk ?
Without running recovery software (which is out of this topic), you can always boot from a bootable cd, like the BartPe, or ubcd4win Live CD's:
WinPE :  https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/hardware/commercialize/manufacture/desktop/winpe-intro?f=255&MSPPError=-2147217396
but the one I prefer is Knoppix - which lets you access the disk, the internet, USB devices, and much more!
Find it here : http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html
download the file in English (en), or German (ge) or other language in the download section
(note that it is 600-700Mb)

You can summarise the above like this:
-connect the disk properly, to be able to execute all tests
-if possible, backup the data
-then run the proper diagnostics; either from a running OS, or from a bootable CD, both mentioned above
-if this reports a bad disk, or bad sectors, use the HDD regenerator tool, or Spinrite
-in some cases, replacing the disk logic board will make the disk useable again

I hope this helps YOU!
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by:nobus
Alan Hardisty
 i corrected and reposted it some days ago.
Any updates?   can it be published ??
How long does it take to get publeshed ?

thanks !
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by:nobus
ok to me - go ahead ! (full speed)
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by:BitsBytesandMore
Great tutorial. I like it.

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by:nobus
appreciated, bits ! seems you're the first !
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by:davy999
Very good tutorial, informative
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by:nobus
thanks Davy !
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by:Grant1842
Good TUT nobus :)
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appreciated Grant
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by:Ravi Agrawal
nobus

you are brilliant

Ravi.
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by:Ravi Agrawal
btw,

can u tell the "nobus" name story

Ravi.
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by:nobus
grtraders (does that come from cheating on traders, so they start saying GRRR :=)) ?)
my nickname is very simply the shortening of my first and family name
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Lol
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by:Blue Street Tech
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I voted Yes. Good article. Thanks!
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by:nobus
thanks  diverseit
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by:Knowledgeable
Very good info!
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thanks, Knowledgeable
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by:awed1
It is nice that you took the time to write the article. Thanks, B.
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by:phoffric
+1 for a comprehensive article. Thanks.
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thanks, phoffric
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by:Joe Winograd, EE MVE 2015&2016
Hi nobus,

I just discovered this article from your post at the freezing SSD thread we're on together. Nice article — upvoted!

You may want to update these broken links:

(1) The geeks.com IDE adapter cable.

(2) The Seagate guide for installing and testing a disk drive.

(3) BartPE, which is no longer available. An alternative could be WinPE.

(4) UBCD4Win, which is no longer in active development. You could provide a link to its .ORG page, but the "Latest News" post there is more than six years ago (21-Jun-2010). Or you could provide a link to an alternative like Hiren's BootCD.

And now I have to move on to fix one of my own SSD articles with broken links. :)  Regards, Joe
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by:nobus
tx Joe, and you are right, my article has already a couple of years, and i will follow your advice
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thanks!
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by:Ryan
One thing that I found when I was looking for some data recovery software is that it is very difficult to find.  One thing that I found is this:

https://www.grc.com/sr/spinrite.htm

I haven't actually used it or tried it, but am going to try and do so in the future for an old external hard drive that I have that crashed.  Also:  The main page shows an image of windows XP, but the bottom of the page says copyright 2016.  You may want to send them an email if you want to use it on a newer OS.  To the best of my knowledge it only works with windows based systems and not Mac, Unix, Linux or something else.

Ryan
Denver, CO
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by:nobus
Ryan - i stopped using that several years ago
reasons : it locked up on some cases, and seems not to be updated
that's why i use HDDRegenerator now - and it also seems to run faster
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by:nobus
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Ryan - i stopped using that several years ago
reasons : it locked up on some cases, and seems not to be updated
that's why i use HDDRegenerator now - and it also seems to run faster


Thank you very much!  I will look into it.
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by:nobus
well -  i can only say i  ran it on about 40 problem drives - maybe more, and never lost data.
and in more than 80% of the cases, the system just started up normally again, so i could save what's needed
i know people on EE are divided about it - but my experience is 95% top class
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