Not a programmer...just very persistent to get my database working so I can have more free time. People at work ask me "how do you get those numbers so fast and have all of these reports so quick and nicely formatted". I smile because it is in large part because of this website. They dont know what kind of system I have because they are all in NYC. It is invaluable to me now. I developed my db with a friend who is a great expert at Access. I dont want to bother him all the time with petty things so when I cant figure it out myself or just simply dont have the time I ask the question on EE and this is why I have so many questions on this website. I dont have the time to read coding books because work takes too much time but it is getting less and less directly because of the work I have put into my db.