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I am looking for an equivalent for "alt/shift/f4" (windows 3.1) to IMMEDIATELY save CURRENT CONFIGURATION in Windows 95.
Same about creating and saving my default folder view (for example, if I always want the toolbar there.
Thank you.
Yoram.
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tweakui in powertoys does that automatically.
Go to:http://www.microsoft.com/kb/articles/q145/6/88.htm to read about it, or,
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/software/PowerToy.htm to download it.

Hope this helps.
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I mean, that I want to "save whatever configuration I see now, and NOW. Tweak-ui does not help - it toggles between "do not save on exit" and "save on exit"
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Updating the Registry without rebooting Windows will produce the effect you want without exiting windows:
Press Ctr-Alt-Del, select Explorer, and click End Task. When Windows asks if you want to Shut Down, click no, then click End Task at the next prompt. Soon you should see the Start menu and Task Bar reappear as Windows starts the Explorer shell again.

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I think I am not clear enough.
My default is (tweak-ui) NOT to save on exit.
Now I moved some icon on the desktop to a better place an I wand to SAVE that confiuration. What you suggest, I have to change the default, fake exiting from windows and change my default back.
I am looking for "one touch" saving configuration, whatever my default is, equivalent to "alt/shift/f4" in windows 3.1 (may be it ws undocumented, I do not remember).
Also, I want to be able to define "toolbar" as a default when I open a folder.
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It does not answer my question at all ...
I want to tell Windows 95 "save what I see at this moment, and go on with the work ...
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Trouble shooting.
If you go to:
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\Explorer]
"NoDriveTypeAutoRun"=hex:95,00,00,00
"EditLevel"=dword:00000000
"NoRun"=dword:00000000
"NoClose"=dword:00000000
"NoFileMenu"=dword:00000000
"NoStartBanner"=hex:01,00,00,00
"NoNetHood"=hex:01,00,00,00
"NoDrives"=hex:e0,ff,ff,03
"NoSaveSettings"=hex:00,00,00,00
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Setting the NoSaveSettings field to 01 prevents your settings from being
saved. When you set this value, the following items are not saved when you
exit Windows 95:
1.Changed icon positions on the desktop.
2.Windows that are open when you exit.
3.The size and position of the taskbar.
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So make sure your no save settings is  not set to 01.
I think I know what you're after and I'm not sure it can be done with key strokes. Tell me, why do you have (tweak-ui) NOT to save on exit?

Still on the case.
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I use TWEAK/UI to NOT save, because usually I want to have the desktop "clean" each time I start Windows 95.
When I install a new software, I want to drag its icon to some place I think is logial, and then tell Windows 95: "Ok, Take a snapshot, That is what I want to see each morning".
What I do now is:
1. Tweak-ui / save setings
2. restart windows
3. tweak/ui / do not save
And I think it is too long and clumsy.
And I did not invent the need - older windows versions had the feature.
Another thing in my question, I want all my folder to come up with toolbar. Always. I can do it by opening my most frequent folders, changing "view" to toolbar, closing, and "freezing" using he 3 steps above (clumsy). It works for a sord period of time and "leaks" - it looses the default in time.
I am looking for some registry or whatever key to "fix" the toolbar.
That is all about my question.


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yoram,
  I'm going to look like crazy for the save settings part of your question.
As far a you folders, that's an easy one. Make a shortcut in you Start-up directory for any folder/directory.
I just did this to make sure it works. My folder is called "Netcolor". The "Target" box reads "C:\NETCOLOR". sET THE "Run" box to "Minimized". When you boot it will appear on you "Taskbar". I hope we are talking the same language. I call the bar along the bottom of the screen the taskbar, right beside the start button.
1. Open your "Start Up" box. Leave it open and close the other screens except explorer.
2. Make explorer half size and Copy/Drag it to you Startup.
3. Once there, Make a shortcut for the folder you just created and then delete the original.
I'm sure you know what I mean.
There are numerous little SysTray apps that do this much handier however. But, what ever trips your trigger.
Lemme know.
That's half your answer. I'm posting in about 20 newsgroups for a save settings keystroke.

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No, May be we do not talk the same language.
I have 2 problems with desktop configuation.
First is equivalent to the 3 steps: set to "save", restart windows, and "set not to save (any more). The reason is, that when I shut down with 10 apps open, I want NONE of them next time I boot. Not on the taskbar, not in tray, nowhere.
And if I want one or more, it is not because they were acteive LAST time I used the pc, but because I WANT THEM THERE EVERY SINGLE TIME I BOOT.
The seond problem, is the toolbar thing.
I want to open a folder, say C: or Desktop, or D:\temp.
Then view/toolbar.
The next time I want th toolbar to be there. Always, in ALL the folder, as a defaut.
Somewhere inside I still believe ms people did not remove options that were available in 3.1x (my first question), and I believe there is some parameter about the default folder appearance, and that I would like to know. Like toolbar, view/details and so on.
When I change view/options to display all files (for example) it is set for me forever (or until I change it back). I want the same for toolbar (why not?)
I hope I am clear enough (English is not my first language)
Yoram.
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yoram,
  Are you using "Explore" as a file manager? If so do you see your toolbar when you 1st go there. If yes or no, open "View" and see that toolbar is selected. there should be a check mark beside it. If it was checked and it is not staying checked, thy these settings in you registry.
WARNING: BACKUP REGISTRY 1ST!!!
------------------------------
The below can be copied and pasted to notepad and saved as
name.reg and the merely double-clicked to enter these parameters.
---------------------------------------------------------------
REGEDIT4

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Interface\{87AB7C50-0AFD-11CF-BEFE-
00AA006C0AC0}]
@="_DToolbar"

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Interface\{87AB7C50-0AFD-11CF-BEFE-
00AA006C0AC0}\ProxyStubClsid]
@="{00020420-0000-0000-C000-000000000046}"

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Interface\{87AB7C50-0AFD-11CF-BEFE-
00AA006C0AC0}\ProxyStubClsid32]
@="{00020420-0000-0000-C000-000000000046}"

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Interface\{87AB7C50-0AFD-11CF-BEFE-
00AA006C0AC0}\TypeLib]
@="{26D0D3F5-3D2F-11CE-9D49-08002B336F14}"
-------------------------------------------------------------
REGEDIT4

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\
ToolbarState]
"Settings"=hex:68,00,00,00,b1,04,00,00,ce,00,00,00,fe,ff,ff,ff,cd,00,00,00,fe,\
  00,00,00,ff,00,00,00,fe,ff,ff,ff,91,01,00,00,92,01,00,00,ff,ff,ff,ff,94,01,\
  00,00,95,01,00,00,96,01,00,00,97,01,00,00
-----------------------------------------------
REGEDIT4

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Classes\Interface\{87AB7C50-0AFD-
11CF-BEFE-00AA006C0AC0}]
@="_DToolbar"

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Classes\Interface\{87AB7C50-0AFD-
11CF-BEFE-00AA006C0AC0}\ProxyStubClsid]
@="{00020420-0000-0000-C000-000000000046}"

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Classes\Interface\{87AB7C50-0AFD-
11CF-BEFE-00AA006C0AC0}\ProxyStubClsid32]
@="{00020420-0000-0000-C000-000000000046}"

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Classes\Interface\{87AB7C50-0AFD-
11CF-BEFE-00AA006C0AC0}\TypeLib]
@="{26D0D3F5-3D2F-11CE-9D49-08002B336F14}"
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You Say "The reason is, that when I shut down with 10 apps open, I want NONE of them next time I boot. Not on the taskbar, not in tray, nowhere".
Well, that is very unwise to shutdown your computer with any apps open. Your computer doesn't have time to save you work, throws all that information in a temp file and when you re-boot it just may show up on your desktop as it was when you shutdown. Repete, That is an *UNWISE* thing to do, especially with the  
strikingly unconventional nature of Win 95.

Let me know if this helps.
I would suggest "Norton Navigator" file manager. It's what I use. You can configure your look and feel very easily. I think once you saw it you would never look at "Explorer" again.

bwil@erinet.com

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yoram,
  Are you using "Explore" as a file manager? If so do you see your toolbar when you 1st go there. If yes or no, open "View" and see that toolbar is selected. there should be a check mark beside it. If it was checked and it is not staying checked, thy these settings in you registry.
WARNING: BACKUP REGISTRY 1ST!!!
------------------------------
The below can be copied and pasted to notepad and saved as
name.reg and the merely double-clicked to enter these parameters.
---------------------------------------------------------------
REGEDIT4

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Interface\{87AB7C50-0AFD-11CF-BEFE-
00AA006C0AC0}]
@="_DToolbar"

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Interface\{87AB7C50-0AFD-11CF-BEFE-
00AA006C0AC0}\ProxyStubClsid]
@="{00020420-0000-0000-C000-000000000046}"

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Interface\{87AB7C50-0AFD-11CF-BEFE-
00AA006C0AC0}\ProxyStubClsid32]
@="{00020420-0000-0000-C000-000000000046}"

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Interface\{87AB7C50-0AFD-11CF-BEFE-
00AA006C0AC0}\TypeLib]
@="{26D0D3F5-3D2F-11CE-9D49-08002B336F14}"
-------------------------------------------------------------
REGEDIT4

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\
ToolbarState]
"Settings"=hex:68,00,00,00,b1,04,00,00,ce,00,00,00,fe,ff,ff,ff,cd,00,00,00,fe,\
  00,00,00,ff,00,00,00,fe,ff,ff,ff,91,01,00,00,92,01,00,00,ff,ff,ff,ff,94,01,\
  00,00,95,01,00,00,96,01,00,00,97,01,00,00
-----------------------------------------------
REGEDIT4

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Classes\Interface\{87AB7C50-0AFD-
11CF-BEFE-00AA006C0AC0}]
@="_DToolbar"

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Classes\Interface\{87AB7C50-0AFD-
11CF-BEFE-00AA006C0AC0}\ProxyStubClsid]
@="{00020420-0000-0000-C000-000000000046}"

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Classes\Interface\{87AB7C50-0AFD-
11CF-BEFE-00AA006C0AC0}\ProxyStubClsid32]
@="{00020420-0000-0000-C000-000000000046}"

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Classes\Interface\{87AB7C50-0AFD-
11CF-BEFE-00AA006C0AC0}\TypeLib]
@="{26D0D3F5-3D2F-11CE-9D49-08002B336F14}"
---------------------------------------------------------------
You Say "The reason is, that when I shut down with 10 apps open, I want NONE of them next time I boot. Not on the taskbar, not in tray, nowhere".
Well, that is very unwise to shutdown your computer with any apps open. Your computer doesn't have time to save you work, throws all that information in a temp file and when you re-boot it just may show up on your desktop as it was when you shutdown. Repete, That is an *UNWISE* thing to do, especially with the  
strikingly unconventional nature of Win 95.

Let me know if this helps.
I would suggest "Norton Navigator" file manager. It's what I use. You can configure your look and feel very easily. I think once you saw it you would never look at "Explorer" again.

bwil@erinet.com

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I will try.
I still think you did not get what I mean.
I do not power off my pc with 100 apps open.
I use "shutdown" and let the win95 close all applications for me.
But what I see the next time I boot shold be constant, and consistent with my design of my desktop.
Even when I move some icon to another location for a temporary convenince, or move the taskbar I want windows 95 to forget about it when I shut down. It is easily accomplished when I use "do not save on exit" using tweak-ui. The open question is, how do I do a change when I MEAN to do a change, without restarting windows.
I did not understand what is the the .reg file supposed to change. I was looking for some "standard" or "semi standard", but it may be ok with the .reg once I understand its purpose.
Yoram.
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OK, I think I did not unerstand the "unwise".
You mean that if I have Excel or Word open, I may lose something.
Let us leave theis problem alone - it is irrelevant for my problem.
Say I close all applications before hutdown, but I made "auto allign" (by accident) on my desktop.
There is no "undo", and days of careful planning are lost.
That is ONE of the reasons I do not want the "save on exit" option.
Or I move some icons to one sde of the desktop - to make some work easier.
I want it to be TEMPORARY and "cleaned up" on the next boot.
With OS/2 they sell utilities to "backup" and "restore" desktop.
What about wondows 95 ?
Yoram.
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You say, "With OS/2 they sell utilities to "backup" and "restore" desktop. What about wondows 95?"
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The answer is a resounding *YES*. At last I think we casolve all your problems. Hope I'm not too optimistic.
Go to: http://members.aol.com/EzDesk95/index.html
Download EZdesk. you can read about it right there. I think it's you answer yoram

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Just a little extra.
I just recieved this letter from some guy from a newsgroup.
This is not my answer but I thought you would be interested.
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You may not be using the Tweak "save settings" properly. Here's info:
When Tweak is installed, it will be in your Control Panel.  If I want to change the desktop, the routine I use is to:

Move your desktop icons around, open any windows and resize them, movethem, change to details, large icons, small icons, whatever.
,but leave them Open on the desktop or minimize them.  Don't close them.
Then, open Tweak
Go to Explorer tab, click on something to "awaken" the Apply button, click on "Save Setting"
click on "apply"
Exit Tweak
Go to Start, Shutdown, Restart the Computer
After restarting, you should have a screen full of open or minimized Windows in the various views and positions that you just selected.

Now you can close any of the Windows that were resized, moved, view changed, etc.
Now, the most important step:
Open Tweak
Go to Explorer tab,
Uncheck the Save Settings box
Exit Tweak
Restart your machine.
If you don't remove that check mark by the "save settings", Tweak will continue to update it's settings.  When you uncheck it, Tweak will hold your settings.
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Thank you.
The "tweak" (yuour last) story is EXACTLY what I do.
My whole question was about doing THE SAME without restarting windows (remember, alt/shift/f3 (or f4) in windows 3.x - did not do it for years).
Now I am convinced that MS dropped this option.
Thank you for the EZdesk tip.
In any case, I do not know how to "fix" the toolbar default for ALL folders (not only those "fixed" by tweak at shutdown).
Yoram.
BTW, I cannot give more points, I do not have enough - I am new here ...
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yoram,
  If you want, mail me. Because I'm not convinced there are no keystroks to do at least some of the things you want. Also, i'd like to know how you like EZdesk. I tried it months ago but found that for my uses, I didn't need it.
Anyway, stay in touch.

bwil@erinet.com
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