Starting Appleshare network

I just bought a second Mac for my office.  What hardware do I need to buy and HOW do I start an Appleshare network?

One Mac is LC575/ 36Mb/160Mb and other is 9500/150/ 16Mb/1Gb.  Both have their own "primary" applications.  Other existing devices are: SyQuest EZ135 and Scanner on SCSI chain, Modem, Inkjet printer and large format plotter on serial ports.

Future expansion will be a laser printer.  Far future will possibly be another Mac-- well, maybe not.

Right now, I'm physically plugging and unplugging the two serial printers off of the LC575.  So a serial switch cable is soon need, right?  Any alternative to this?

Lowest cost is highest priority, of course.  Thanks
-Kenneth
ArchkenAsked:
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lammonsCommented:
I believe the standard for Appletalk is Farallon's networking hardware.  They make easy to use and fairly inexpensive phonenet boxes that you can plug into the serial ports.

If your printers are appletalk compatible you are set. just network them the same way.

As far as how to do it, that's easy! Just connect everything and turn on Appleshare. If you don't have a "server" it's no sweat!
-Laura
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ArchkenAuthor Commented:
Need more info.  It's easy?  How?  What do I have to do?  I have never created an Appletalk network before.  Laura, have you created from scratch before?

Do I still need a serial switch cable under an Appletalk network?  I'll have five serial devices and four SCSI devices (the two computers have both).  How do I tell if all are Appletalk compatible?
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AdamSCommented:
Archken,

You started out by saying "Appleshare" network. Appleshare is a file-sharing protocol that uses Appletalk, so I assume you meant "Appletalk network" with file sharing.

You can use either phonenet or just regular localtalk cabling. They both are the same at the hardware level, they just look a little different.

At CompUSA or any of the large computer stores, you will find local talk cabling. For each device you need a localtalk adapter which has two localtalk ports and it plugs into the device (computer or printer). The adapter has two network ports so you can chain components in series on the network. So the PowerMac would be connected to the LC which would be connected to the format plotter (assuming it suppots localtalk) which would be conneted to the laser once you buy it. There is no need for serial port switching if you use the localtalk adapters that let you chain devices.

Once you have the computers hooked up, you can start file sharing by clicking "start file sharing" in the "Sharing Setup" control panel. You might have to install network software on your LC (but your PowerMac should already have it set up). If you have "Sharing Setup" control panel then you're ok. If not you will need to install the network software. You can get the "network software installer" from Apples ftp site ftp.support.apple.com.

Hard drives can be shared across the localtalk connection using "Sharing Setup" and "Users & Groups" control panels. Once you enabled file sharing in "Sharing Setup", select the volumes you want to share and then select "Sharing..." from the "file" menu in the Finder. Set the permissions so everyone can read and write (you shouldnt have to worry about security problems with this small a network).

To actually mount a disk from a remote machine, go to the chooser and click on "Appleshare" and select the computer from the list on the right. If the computer doesnt show up on the right, then the remote computer isnt setup correctly for file-sharing. If the computers there, double click on it and you will be presented with a log-on screen. Log on with one of the users you set with "Users & Groups" control panel and you should be able to access the remote computers hard drive and even the EZ135's if you "share" them. One trick is to use a utility called "Powershare" which will speed up file transfers across computers. You can find this utility on the info-mac archives.

Unfortunately, you cant share the modem, but you can plug it into one of the computers modem port (which should be available).

Macintosh computers are one of the easiest computers to network. If you need any more help you can email me directly at "askwersk@mit.edu" I'm a networking consultant for my dorm, and I basically keep my labs computer networking up and running. We used Quadras and PowerMacs and two Laserwriters.
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ArchkenAuthor Commented:
Thank you, AdamS.

Especially for the tip on Powershare.  I will look into that.

And also for mentioning that my modem will not work on Appletalk.  I almost went ahead to purchase additioning wiring just for that.  I was actually hoping that there was some way I can still use my modem's fax capabilities on my little network.

Oh well.
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AdamSCommented:
You're welcome. About the modem: I didnt mean to completely shoot the idea down of using your modem over the network. I just meant that its not supported in the network software built into MacOS. I do believe there are ModemShare utilities that let you share modems on a network, but you'll have to pay for them. You may want to contact the MacZone (800-248-0800) or MacWarehouse (800-972-9241) to see if you can buy software to do this. In any case, you wont need an appletalk cable for your modem. The modem has to plug directly into the modem serial port of the mac so it cant go into the localtalk adapters. The ModemSharing would be done through a "host mac".


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