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Using CMultiDocTemplate  pointer together with  GetFirstDocPosition() & GetNextDoc() iterates all documents
of an MDI application, but what if I need to access the
CMDIChildWnd of these documents ? Can I access directly
from  CMultiDocTemplate  pointer ? or Should it be get the document and get its corresponding CMDIChildWnd ? How ?
Else, how ?
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well that is how I do it, get doc, get view, getparent (not getparentframe)
I was hoping thiswas the shortest way.