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I am trying to save messages and images from newsgroups on a 3 1/2" disk so that I can retrieve them later.  I am using windows 3.1 and netscape.  I do not know how to properly name a file so that I can get it again. Where do I go to retrieve the file?
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by:yow
ID: 1600964
I think the key lies in what version of Netscape you are using.  It changes quite a bit as it is updated, but in general, you can find the way to do it under the upper-left "File" command.  There should be a "Save As" command that works just liek the ones in word-processing proograms do.
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by:singleton
ID: 1600965
As yow indicates, you click on the File menu, and then select
Save As, and you will see the file name as it exists on the
server.  This name may be more than 8 characters long, but since
you are using Win 3.1 you will have to restrict it to some string
that is 8 characters or less, and that has meaning to you.  If
you were trying to save the main page from Experts Exchange, it
might be something like index.htm, but you would probably want to
name it experts.htm, to remind you where it came from.  The
important thing is to include the ".htm" extension; that way when
you do a File Open with your browser, you can open the file.
You should realize that the File Save will only save the HTML
code, not the graphic images.  You will have to go to them, one
at a time, place your mouse on them and click the right mouse
button, and in menu that appears, click the save as entry and
save the graphic on your floppy as well.  Even then it may not
appear when you do a file open on the floppy, because the web
site may have called for its graphic to be in a different
directory from the html code.  If this happens, you need to look
at the html code with an ascii text editor like EDIT, and if you
see something like img src="graphics/image.gif" take the
"graphics/" off and make it img src="image.gif"
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by:sculpt
ID: 1600966
singleton helped me by letting me know how to properly name a file using htm.  However I still do not know how to retrieve it later. Singleton tells me to do a File Open with my browser. I guess that I am such a novice that I do not know where my browser is.  Perhaps I do not even have a browser.  I have a paintbrush tool and Paint shop pro. When I try to open the file in either of those, I get an error message "not able to open this file because the format is not recognized.  Create a new file or open a valid bitmap file.  Perhaps I do not have a browser, and need additional software.
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singleton helped me by letting me know how to properly name a file using htm. However I still do not know how to retrieve it later. Singleton tells me to do a File Open with my browser. I guess that I am such a novice that I do not know where my browser is. Perhaps I do not even have a browser.

Your browser is the program, Netscape, or Internet Explorer,
that you used to surf the internet in the first place.  You
can start it without even being connected to the Internet, and
go to the top line and click File, and when you get a drop down
menu, click open, and select the HTM file you saved on your
floppy (or hard disk).

I have a paintbrush tool and Paint shop pro. When I try to open the file in either of those, I get an error message "not able to open this file because the format is not recognized. Create a new file or open a valid bitmap file. Perhaps I do not have a browser, and need additional software.

Your Paint Shop program probably could open the individual graphic files, the ones with the GIF or JPG extensions that I
told you to save by right clicking on them, but only a web
browser can handle the HTM file, which in turn will reference
the graphic files.
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by:sculpt
ID: 1600968
Thank you. I can save pages now.  I am getting text ok but the
images are encoded.  I guess that this is another question so I'll pay you another 100 points if you can tell me how to change the code to an image.
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by:singleton
ID: 1600969
 < how to change the code to an image.

I think what you are saying is that the images are binary
information, and I understand that.  As I indicated you should
be able to load those files (which should have a GIF or JPG
extension) into a graphic program such as paintshop pro.  The
Paint program in windows only handles PCX and BMP files, but
if paintshop does not handle it, go to http://www.stroud.com
or http://www.tucows.com and look in the image viewer or image
editor areas for a program called LVIEW.
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by:sculpt
ID: 1600970
Thank you very much Singleton for holding my hand through this question.  Your solution works perfectly.
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by:sculpt
ID: 1600971
I have been able to retrieve only one picture so far using your
advice.  Every time I have tried it since using gif or jpg extensions,  all I am able to get is a small icon resembling a broken up picture.  I go to the browser, click on open file, click on all files, highlight the file I just saved, press ok and the a drive makes a little noise and almost immediately the small icon appears in the upper left corner and the bar along the bottom of the monitor screen reads"document:done"
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by:singleton
ID: 1600972
Once you have the html loaded in your browser, go to View, and
select Document source.  Look for a statement which says
<img then perhaps some other characteristics, and finally
src= some string which ends with the gif or jpg file.

I tried to do that on this web page (where I am reading this
question, and the only img src statement was for the banner ad
and it read:

<IMG WIDTH=468 HEIGHT=60 BORDER=1 ISMAP
SRC="http://ads15.hyperbanner.net:1015/gif.cfm?ID=580&Page=10
&Ver=25" ALT=" Software HyperBanner  Advertisement"></A>

but there is a background statement which is more like what I
am talking about, and it reads:

background="/images/xxbg.jpg"

let us pretend that said <img src="/images/xxbg.jpg"

You would have clicked on the image and saved xxbg.jpg to your
hard disk or floppy disk in the same directory that you saved the
html file, but the html code is calling for this particular file
to be in a different directory, i.e. the "images" directory
which is directly under the root directory ( /images ).

So for this example you would have needed to create an images
directory, and move the jpg file there.   Many web designers
keep their images in a separate directory, and quite frequently
it is a directory called images which is directly below the main
directory, but that is not always the case.  You will have to
look at the html code and see where it says to put them.

If you go to http://www.tcs.org, the main page for the Tulsa
Computer Society, a web page I maintain, and save it, it would
have worked for you without messing with the directories, because
my img statement reads:

<IMG ALT="Tulsa Computer Society" ALIGN=RIGHT SRC="tcslogo2.gif"
WIDTH="400" HEIGHT="205">

and the tcslogo2.gif statement is in the same directory as the
html file.

But if you go to the alta vista search engine at
http://www.altavista.digital.com, their src statement reads:

<IMG src="/av/gifs/av_logo.gif"

so you would have to create an av directory under the root,
and a gifs directory under the av directory, and move your
av_logo.gif file there.
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by:sculpt
ID: 1600973
you lost me completely on this answer.  I have no idea what you are talking about.  I thought that there might be an easy way to do this - there ought to be - but now I feel like it requires an advanced degree to figure it out.  Why did your answer work only one time for me? and what does that annoying icon that looks like a broken up picture mean?
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by:singleton
ID: 1600974
The annoying icon that looks like a broken picture says the file
is not where the html code said it would be.  As I indicated
the technique I described works for any web page that stores its
graphics in the same directory as its html code, and if you went
to the Tulsa Computer Society page, you could capture our graphic
and it would work for you.  The problem is for those web pages
that don't store their graphics in the same directory as the
web page.  I thought it would be simple to tell you to just look
at the code and see what directory they put it in.  The other
alternative would be to tell you to modify the html code to
call for the graphic in the same directory as the html code, i.e.
to remove the subdirectory information with a text editor.

If you want to email me at djs@ionet.net I might be able to
describe it easier to you there, or you may call me at
918-622-3417 and I will try to explain it on the phone.
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by:up2legs
ID: 1600975
you look for it through the file manager and selecting a drive if thats the drive your floppy is, name it something that you'll remember it what it is later ...
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