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Problems with Packard Bell 1411 SL monitor on Win 95

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I recently hooked up my Packard Bell 1411SL monitor to my machine. When installed as a standard SVGA monitor  I found that I couldn't get it to operate in 800 X 600 mode. It's fine in 640 X 480 or 1024 X 768, but when I switch to 8 x 6 the screen becomes too vertically large. I  tried adjusting the vertical size from the front to no avail.

I tried changing the monitor type in Win 95 throught the control panel --> display page, but the only PB models were 1511SL, 1512SL, 8510SV, and 8528SVG.

How can I get my monitor to work in 800 X 600 mode? Are there drivers or inf files I can download?

System Information:
Pentium 266 MMX
24 MB RAM
IDE HDD
Diamond Stealth 3D 2000 video card (2MB)

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by:PBMax
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Try a different refresh rate.  I know with my monitor when the default monitor is loaded my picture is to the right but when I select my monitor it is centered.  Before it does it, the computer states that certain monitors become unstable at certain refresh rates.  Maybe this is a related problem.  (I'm not sure so I didn't make this an answer.)  Also with the Diamond Stealth 3D card(same as mine) There are a new set of drivers available from www.diamondmm.com.  These enable alot of new features such as a virtual deskspace.
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by:magigraf
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danterill...

Please go to the following URL to download the latest drivers of your video card first.

Since you didn't mention it's a 3D 2000 Pro or not, the URL listed below will put you on the page to select either.

http://www.diamondmm.com/products/drivers/driver-index.html

After you download the file, please expand it and tell me if it's a:
1) Setup
Or
2) inf files

I will continue a tep by step procedure to resolve the situation.
after your post.
Regards
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by:danterrill
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Good points, both of you. The first thing I though of was drivers, and d/l'd the most recent ones and ran the install proggie -- same problem. I reduced the refresh rate to the lowest possible setting with no result. Any other thoughts?
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by:jello
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Your Diamond card should have come with the diamond In-Control tools on the CD-ROM.  These allow you to adjust all kinds of settings - horiz and vert size and position, refresh rate, pincushioning, trapezoid, contrast, etc...
For your problem, use the "refresh' tab in display properties.

-jello
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by:magigraf
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danterrill...

Does your diamond drivers add it's own Tools, or it uses windows??

We had the same problem with Matrox.
Regards
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by:magigraf
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Jello...

It's totaly new for me to see a VIDEO card adjusting pincushionning and trapezoid???
Man, that blew me away.
Regards
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by:jello
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magigraf;

Isn't that a kick?  I hear the next one from Number 9 will make toast in the mornings ;)

-jello
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by:danterrill
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Hey Jello --

I grabbed the in-control tools last night, and I didn't see anything like horiz and vert size and position, refresh rate, pincushioning, trapezoid. Can you tell me more about it? I wonder if I have the wrong drivers.



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by:jello
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<FEELING="stupid">
I could have sworn I remembered all that groovy stuff from the in control tools, but when  I took a closer look, and it doesn't do half what I thought it did.  It will allow you to reposition the image on the screen, but not resize it or play with the dimensions.  The brightness and contrast controls apply only to video playback.  The tools have a lot of other features (like popup menus), but nothing that seems to help your problem.  Unless there are sizing controls on your monitor itself, I'm not sure what to suggest.  I stand humbled.
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Does the "optimal" setting for refresh rate make a difference?
Does Packard Bell have drivers available for your 1411 SL monitor? (I know they're available for the 1511 SL.)
Does Packard Bell recommend a refresh rate for this monitor?
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by:danterrill
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No, none of the refresh rates make any difference. If only I could shrink the vertical size another inch or two . . .
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by:JBURGHARDT
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How old is this monitor?
For older monitors you will have to set refresh to 50 mhz not supported by most of new cards
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by:magigraf
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Jello...

We have (4) 21" monitors plus (10) 17"'s and using high end graphic video cards and those controls are on the MONITOR not the video card.
Maybe one day as you said.
We have even options that you only read about it in Magazines like moiré etc..

danterrill...

I will think of another approach to your problem.
Will post tonight though.

Regards
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by:danterrill
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The monitor was built in 1996 -- not that old I guess. The really annoying thing was that it worked on a Packard Bell at 8 X 6. UGH!
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by:magigraf
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danterrill...

Did you follow the exact procedure in the README.TXT file for installing the drivers??
Regards
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by:nebworth
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    Aroo?  Did I hear that something worked on a Packard Bell?  
     SLAM!

        I couldn't resist.
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by:nebworth
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   You know, I think PB plays with their settings a bit.  I wonder if there might be some kind of trimmer inside the monitor...

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jrhelgeson earned 150 total points
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This may not be the answer you want to hear, but it's the truth.
The 14" PB Monitors will not work in 800 x 600 resolution.  The only exception I have seen is when using the Cirrus Logic 542x Chipset and the CLMode utility.  The 542x Chipset is only available with ISA and VLB cards.

More than likely, when it worked on the old PB machine, it was an old 486, or POSSIBLY even one of the early P-60/P-66's.

This is because the 1411 monitor is not a multi-frequency monitor, and the horizontal drive transistor is cheap.

Without going into specifics about different resolutions and how the horizontal video driver displays the different resolutions.  You will not be able to get it to work in 800x600 resolution with the video card used on your new computer.

Joel
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by:xipexp
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I have the same problem with an Asis monitor and a s3 Virgi 325 2Mb card. And after reading comments, i began to safe money to by a new monitor.

Bye Bye.


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by:danterrill
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Well, you're exactly right -- it's not the answer I wanted to hear. I did find a solution, though -- swap it for the monitor on our firewall server (with permission from my boss, of course).

Well, thanks to all of you for your advice.

Regards,

Dan

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by:magigraf
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Joel...

That was nice, coming last to say the least and collecting the points right :-)

Sorry I will not read any further comments, I have no intention to pay 15 points to read them.

Thanks danterill for taking the time to award the TECH that has worked the least with you.

If anyone would like to make a comment, send it to me at:
gen2000@iname.com

Regards
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by:JBURGHARDT
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If you want make your monitor work in 8x6 then ggo to www.s3.com 
go to drivers utilty there wilbe small program that will set video card to 56mhz you need
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