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Fastest Backbone

Posted on 1998-02-22
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I want to setup my clients throughout California to download large files to their customers. Provider location is not an issue. I need a way to evaluate providers based on speed of downloads: What hardware is most important or a potential bottle neck: the T1, T3 combo, the backbone lines they use, their own geography(are some areas simply wired better?). If speed was your only concern what provider would you use... a web reference would help. All new lingo to me but there must be an easy checkoff list of hardware, software and linking sytem criteria. Thanks from an uplinked, remote, online, high tech, blurry eyed bear!
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ID: 1145590
Please clarify the question a bit for me.
-You want to enable your Clients to send files to their Customers thru dial-up connections via an ISP?
Are your Clients Connected directly or are you evaluating ISPs for their use?
The customers of your clients- are they located in the same geographical area? Are any of them connected to the Internet directly or what ISPs do they use(if any)?
If the clients of your customers are located in the same area why not let them call directly so network traffic is not a factor.
Actually need more info on the situation.
Will await your response.
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TimCaturaHouser earned 400 total points
ID: 1145591
No there is not a easy checklist.....

The reason there is not is this junk is changig faster than comptuer hardware!

A T-1 line is like 24 phone lines, all digitized and ready to rock and roll on a single line.... Costs vary by Baby Bell, but figure 2K per month for the line. (using it or not) Alternative is something like DS-3 Think of it as a on-demand T-3 (pay for what ya use) A T-1 line moves 1.5mbit a sec. a T-3 4.5 (T-3 is about half an Ethernet) Folks would pay big bucks for this stuff!

Coming soon to a baby bell near you! Look, IT'S ASDL and Lower Prices!   xDSL Digital Suscriber Line.... X= Asysnc, Bisync HS High Speed, or whateve flavor of DSL someone was pushing today..... The A's have it with a push from Compaq & MS. US West is the first to roll.... Me (Seattle) in June... 1/2 T-1 speed, about $80 bucks a month.... I'll take 2 of them Monty, For a total of $160 to give me a T-1 at home (less than 10% of cost now)...

Please don't take any offense at the next guess....

My hunch is your a pretty good computer geek, who just stumbled into the the twilight zone of Telephony.... you would like to just plant the flowers the client is asking you to do, and safely leave this almost real world, without too much blood loss... Would this be accurate?

My response is "abondon all hope, ye who enter here". My wife is a few months shy of 30 years on this junk, and it seems like she can't keep up with the changes.....

to get out alive.....

Find out how many megs per hr. of data you need to move per hr. Do they have peak bursts of data to go out in real time? Suggest trials of lower speeds first, like ISDN. I think you in CA, correct? They have IDSN pretty cheap there.... You must be less than a mile from the Central Office (most likely are)... Be preparded for a cluster circle jerk, nobody knows what they are doing, since its all new to everyone.

Check the possiblity of frame relay (only 56k speeds) but good Quality Of Service (realibity) = QOS  

Ask (lots of) questions to your client. Get them thinking. They will be susprised at what lots of bandwidth with high QOS costs. Yes, ISP matters.... Is your ISP closely connected to the Inet backbone, or is he/she buying time from a ISP, routing, who is buying from an ISP, who is routing, who is buying from an ISP who is actually connected to the Inet backbone.... Hops between routers means possible breakdowns, and slower response time, as it hops from ISP's router to the next ISP's router.... Don't believe a word they say. Let them show you a TRACERT for say, the white house in DC. See how many hops it has to take. Go to another ISP, ask the same questions..... Check hop count and delay to the same place, like the white house. The fewer hops the better.....

yes some telco areas are wired better than others.... some providers are better than others.... Maybe Pac Bell is best, maybe MCI... depends on the area....

sorry you have stummbled into the twilight zone. You may never escape.....

Author Comment

ID: 1145592
You asked:
<You want to enable your Clients to send files to their Customers thru dial-up connections via an ISP.> No, I want the web site to be the interface with "streaming video" or download links to AVIs etc (large files).

<If the clients of your customers are located in the same area why not let them call directly so network traffic is not a factor.> I wouldn't trust them to consistently send files directly, too many variable on either end. It has to be a simple method to work.

<The customers of your clients- are they located in the same geographical area?> Both customers and their clients are scattered over the planet.

<Are any of them connected to the Internet directly or what ISPs do they use(if any)? Are your Clients Connected directly or are you evaluating ISPs for their use?> My clients are typical late adopters, half have a local ISP(like my provider fix.net) and have a problem web page, the other half none. I've found amazing inonsistency with start-up ISP so moving these large files will be problematic. I am revising their current web site, adding video to their training and marketing interface and want to move them to the fastest provider possible, to minimize skipped video frames in streaming video and reduce the time their clients spend downloading from their web site links.

So there must be half dozen primary considerations when choosing the provider... Server hardware and software. Line configuration. Type of connections purchased. Or geography(fix.net tech said our area had an advatage over metropolitan areas with fewer bottlenecks, but I don't know if that's true.)

If I know the criteria, and the best provider is large or tiny from Timbuktu, why not run all the downloads from their Timbuktu servers using my clients "now revised" web page links.

It's "wagons west" again, huh?


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ID: 1145593
Wagon ho! is right on the money....

The picture gets much clearer. Your comment on your startup ISP is exactly what I was attempting to have you watch out for in the sweeping broad bush stroke of an answer.... So, you got two choices.....

1)Co-host your server at a good ISP (one close to the backbone) Refer to my TRACERT statement....

2)Get a DS based line, and do it yourself.... A DS line will burst up on demand to handle the video. You only pay for a smaller connect (continous) but then pay for the burst up (only when that happens) A DS3 line will let you burst up to 4.5Mbit.

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ID: 1145594
Hey, my great grandfather was a 'ramrodder"... pushed wagons west, and now we're all that. I think I can make a 5 point check list from your input, but my guess is not many of the ISP tech jockys will know the words... they mostly know what they can see, and if it's a small office... WAY-NO-SWEAR-TAY

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