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Diamond Viper 330 disabled Win95 APM feture

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Ever since I changed my display card from a Matrox Mil2 to a Diamond Viper 330 the Advanced
 Power Management feature of Win95 OSR2 has stopped functioning..... but the Power
Management  works when I open a DOS window in full screen. It also works with the default
VGA drivers of Win95. It refuses to work with  any of the Diamond drivers, I have tried
even the latest drivers ver 25 and also the nVIDIA Beta openGL drivers.

I live in the tropics and the ambient temperature is 35C thru the Year, so it quite important for me
 to get the APM feature to work.

I use an ASUS T2P4 board and have only the Display card and an AWE64 sound card
in the computer.

Would appreciate an answer to this problem.
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Subman, just to make sure, boot to the Bios/Cmos setup and verify the settings for APM.

Next, go to control panel, system icon, click on performance then graphics and slide the slider back about 50% and try that.
Dennis
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I have changed  the display card between the Matrox Mil2 and the Diamond Viper 330 and this APM feature works every time with the Matrox, so the settings in the BIOS and Win95 are allright.... it does not work only when the Diamond card's drivers are installed.
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Dennis..

I tried your suggestion of sliding back on the graphics acceleration in the control panel/system/performance.... but it made no difference to the APM problem.

I have changed  the display card between the Matrox Mil2 and the Diamond Viper 330 and this APM feature works every time with the Matrox, so the settings in the BIOS and Win95 are allright.... it does not work only when the Diamond card's drivers are installed.
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Okay, good work. I've emailed Diamond for their input and we'll see what happens. In the meantime, you may want to visit their site and look for a "Windows 95 approved driver"....or, the new DirectX 5 has updated drivers that may help. Check out both areas and see if they help. Video card problems can be a PIA, as the effect so many things. Keep me posted and I'll do likewise.
Dennis
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Been to Diamond and tried the "Windows 95 approved driver" version 22 ... which by the way Directx 5 said was not certified in the Direct Draw tab.

By the way when I had this problem earlier with APM I discovered that I could get it working if I disabled  the "Auto Insert Notification" for the CDROM in the Device Manager/ Cdrom. Something to do with the signal this notifications sends off every minute to check for a CD in the drive. But in this case this has not helped. It is definately something to do with how the Diamond/nVIDIA drivers are operating.

Thanks for the time taken in trying to help me solve my problem... much appreciated.
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While awaiting Diamonds reply, you mentioned the high ambient temps and needing APM, give me some idea of the situation and maybe I can come up with some alternatives. We have one hell of a tech dept here and deal with heat issues frequently.
Dennis
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I live in Bombay, India and the temperatures here are in the late 30's Celcius. Have you ever felt a nVidia chip on a Diamond card after even a few minutes... it really gets hot. In the past I have had problems with ram simms as well as hard drives because of the heat.

I have installed a PC Power & Cooling 110 twinalert and every summer it blasts its alarm. I have 5 extra fans attached to my cabinet.... 2 for the 2 Seagate drives,,,, One in front of the cabinet pulling in air and one at the back pushing out air just under the power supply... and I have removed all the back panel slot covers for good luck.

Most of my friends laugh at me for all these precautions ... but I feel  "better safe than sorry".

I use an ASUS T2P4 AT form factor MoBo with 96 mb ram and 2 IDE drives 2.5 and 6.5 Seagates and a Creative AWE64 card. I have a Mid Tower cabinet.

I power on my Computer in the morning and leave it on the whole day till bedtime (SOHO computer) and  I prefer  APM to power down the system when not in use for 10 mins. This keeps the system quite a bit cooler.

I have had this APM feature working ever since Win95 was introduced... I have used a Leadtek s3-968 card then a Diamond s3 3d2000 and next a Matrox Mil2 and now this Diamond Viper 330. All the previous display cards supported the APM feature but now I have run into a brick wall with the Viper. But like I mentioned the Viper does support the APM feature if I open a DOS window full screen..... of course I often forget to open this DOS window and the system is left running.
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That's the part that I don't understand, when the Dos window opens it enables the APM to work. It appears that Diamond doesn't understand it either. They keep telling me that another driver is conflicting. Anyway, let's see if we can sort it out to see if there is a conflict. Right click on the start button, then click open, programs, startup icon and drag all of the icons in there out onto a clear area on the desktop and leave them there. Reboot the system and let it sit and see what happens.
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The only item I have under the startup button is my Zip drives imgstart.exe  program... at times I keep Diamonds Incontrol program under the startup button and at times I remove this too.

And Yes from a couple of days back I have found that when I have been on the Internet for some time or run some graphic extensive game/program and then I have opened the DOS window full screen to get the APM feature to work... then instead of the sleep mode I get the dreaded Blue Screen errors. I reboot and then all is OK with APM.

I have seen what programs are runnig via regmonex and this program shows the registry beeing accessed only by my HP 6L's program hp.ini every 15 seconds or so. The  Tray only shows the speaker icon and my Genius Net mouse Icon. On doing a Ctrl-Alt-Del the programs shown loaded in memory are Explorer  Systray  Hpwpsw (for the HP printer) Gmnet (mouse driver) and Dmhkey (Diamond display) ...... I removed all the programs except  Explorer and Systray - but no difference.

There must be some problem with Diamond as well as nVIDIA's drivers as APM also works with the default Win95 VGA display driver.  I tried the version 24 driver and this was the first driver that Direct Draw mentioned as being certified..... but no difference to APM.

Ok here is something that may make you scratch your head like I did mine..... check the date of the driver of APM under device manager/system devices and you will see that OSR2 gives the date as 1/16/2026 !!! I deleted this and let Win95 redo this setting and it then gave the date as 1996 after reloading this and also the Plug-n-Play BIOS setting !!! ..... whats this all  about ????  But it did not make any difference having this date as 2026 or 1986.
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Hmmmm strange date issue. Dumb questions, but have you any antivirul programs on your computer lately. You shouldn't have gotten a 2026 date, 1996 would be correct. I think is going to come down to Diamond resolving the issue with a driver, but I'll keep looking.
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Hey I got a message from Diamond today and I was asked to goto the following site for an updated driver...

http://www.diamondmm.com/products/drivers/viperv330-releasecandidate.htm

but I keep getting a 404 error from Netscape.... *sigh*.....so near yet so far.....

I use Norton Anti Virus for Win95 and also ThunderBYTE anti Virus and I always have the Latest upgrades for both... March for NAV and I suppose in a few days I will pick up the April upgrade.

The amazing thing about this date issue is that Win95 gets the date as 2026 and when I delete the APM and PnP BIOS entries in the device manager and let Win95 reload these the dates come back correctly as 1996. I have seen it on 5 computers .... and these were all the computers that I checked. If you are using Win95 OSR2 check the dates... It must be some program we load here which changes the Year to 2026.

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I must mention that last week I assembled a P2-300 based on an ASUS P2L97 MoBo and when I formatted and loaded Win95 OSR2 on the 4.3gb Seagate drive the first thing I did was to checked the date of this APM thingy as well as the PnP BIOS entry in the DeviceManager/SystemDevices and the dates were... 2026 !! I wonder if it is is an error on the CDROMS M$ supplies this part of the World..... I know they have supplied Win95 to this part of the World with some changes made to the Maps because of border disputes between neighbouring countries.
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You know, that possibility never occurred to me! I'll keep sniffing around though.
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Ok I got the drivers from Diamond.... I was told that these would help correct my problem with APM... these drivers have BETA openGL built in... but.... my APM problem is still present... no luck with the drivers...

Before installing these new Diamond Drivers version 125 I first reinstalled the Default VGA drivers of Win95 and the APM thing worked perfectly....

I dont feel the year indicated as 2026  for APM and PnP BIOS has had any effect or created any problems.... so far anyway...
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Well since you have the new drivers installed, there's no point in trying to go backwards. I was going to suggest that you install the new drivers over the old rather than over VGA, but there's no point now. This is strange, in that with previous video cards, everything worked fine and with this one there's a problem.
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In their earlier Drivers release 22 or 23 Diamond had indicated in the readme file that they had a problem with APM with their drivers... but this was rectified in the version 24... here is a line from the 24's readme file...

<<QUOTE>>
System now recovers after sleep with Direct Draw applications running.
<<UNQUOTE>>

I suppose I will have to just wait for the final release of this current beta driver and see if the problem is sorted out.

Is it possible to have your email address in case I have to contact you for this or any other problem in the future... my email is.... richardatnightlydotcom........

If you come up with anything please let me know.....
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Will do!

dew_associates@email.msn.com
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