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I reinstalled W95a and my second hard drive is not accessible anymore. This makes me very angry. What should I do? Visit a shrink?

No, seriously. My second hard drive was partitioned in two parts. FDISK doesn´t show anything; ie, theres nothing on the drive. This must be impossible. Reinstalling W95 can´t make a drive be formatted. The data is still there, I know it. The boot sector or something must have been corrupted. Help!!!!!! MS charge aprox. 100$ for just saying hello to me!!! Outrageous!

BTW: How can a operating system allow for just any program to change it´s files??? Without doing anything? Unfu**ingbelivable!!! As soon I get my files back I´ll be looking at Linux - it´s at least free! For how long will people take MS:s bad programming?
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Question by:hiho
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by:smeebud
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Do your drive letter show in file manager and/or in My computer.
Booting to real Dos mode can you type at the
C:\>D: or E: [enter] and it then shows you the drive??
Do you have a LASTDRIVE=? statement in you config.sys.

In a dos window at C:\> type the below
C:\>SET > SET.TXT [enter]
Then in your root directory look for set.txt and post it.

Have you tried tweakui, to check your drives?
If not get it at
THIS IS WHERE TO GET TWEAKUI
Performs Many Registry Hacks. Automatically Restores: Fonts, System Files, Icons,
Regedit, File Associations and Much more.
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/software/PowerToy.htm

Get back to me with this info
Regards
Bud
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by:the_whelk
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You say your second hard dirive is not accessible but can you see it through explorer or if you drop to DOS can you change to that drive?
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by:smeebud
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Oh yea hiho,
if you boot to windows in safe mode do you see your drives??

I'm willing to bet that tweakui will fix you problem after scouring Deja News.
A lot of people have that problem and tweakui will usually fix it if it's not a fdisk problem.

You didn't do any fdisking on D: or E: did you???

Bud
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by:rmarotta
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At a Dos prompt, type FDISK /STATUS
What is displayed?
Ralph

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by:rmarotta
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You said "Win95a" was reinstalled.
Did you previously have FAT32 (OSR2/Win95b) on the D: drive?
Ralph

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by:aszure
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After you look at rmarotta and smeebud's comments also check this out. First, what brand of HD? If it is a western digital I have a suggestion. Check to see if the ezbios is installed.
If its not try to install it and if it is then try removing it.
Also look to see if there are any HD conflicts in the system applet in the control panel. If there are I would recommend reinstalling win95 after reformatting.
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by:stevemiller
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check your System properties-- are the any conflicts with devices such as controllers noted?

You don't need a config.sys and autoexec.bat unless you want to OVERRIDE any Win95 startup defaults.  have you tried rebooting without any statements in those files?

Have you tried rebooting in DOS mode?  Do all the drives show up?

steve
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by:smeebud
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hiho,
500 points is very alluring.
As you can see Jason has tried to lock this question to himself with question rather than answers, and without the benefit of feedback from you on the questions asked from othjer techs.

Until we do get your feedback, don't do anything drastic like try to "Recover Lost partitions".
That's premature and you may lose valuable data.

it's your feedback on all the questions asked we need now.

I'll be waiting.
Regards.
Bud
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by:hiho
ID: 1711915
Some clarifications:
The drive had two partitions D: and E: of wich none show in W95, not nowhere...
The physical drive shows at boot and is recognized by BIOS.
I have NOT used FDISK other than to check if there were readable partitions on the drive.
The drive can´t be found by DOS either.
I had W95a previously, but the reinstall was only plain W95, without service pack.
I did have a demo of Norton, but I uninstalled it because it made me more trouble. Is there another program to use?

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by:hiho
ID: 1711916
The problem really started when I tried to copy music from CD:s and got some programs for that purpose. After that the CD hung the computer when accessed, so I thought I´d reinstall both Windows and Office Pro wich also acted funny after I installed the latest service pack (Outlook crashed and other strange things...) I tried to reinstall the original file scsihlp.vxd which I had replaced. This didn´t help.
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by:smeebud
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Once more I ask,
What happens if you

      if you boot to windows in safe mode do you see your drives??

Bud
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by:stevemiller
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If you think the boot sectors are bad, you can try the DOS command to copy the system files and command interpreters from the c drive to another drive-

SYS [drive1:] [path] drive2:

Try this and see if the drives work.

Because of the amount of points you are offering please make every effort to let us know all your information and once the problem is solved, who SOLVED the problem so that expert can post the answer officially.

Reject any incomplete answer so the question will remain open to everyone.  I definately agree with smeebud and rmarotta on this...


steve
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by:smeebud
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Once more I ask,

      Booting to real Dos mode can you type at the
      C:\>D: or E: [enter] and it then shows you the drive??
      Do you have a LASTDRIVE=? statement in you config.sys.

      In a dos window at C:\> type the below
      C:\>SET > SET.TXT [enter]
      Then in your root directory look for set.txt and post it.

      Have you tried tweakui, to check your drives?
      If not get it at
      THIS IS WHERE TO GET TWEAKUI
      Performs Many Registry Hacks. Automatically Restores: Fonts, System Files, Icons,
      Regedit, File Associations and Much more.
      http://www.microsoft.com/windows/software/PowerToy.htm
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by:smeebud
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I think we all may be over looking something all to obvious.

hilo, how do you have your primary and seconday drives set and pinned.
Check you cableing very carefully.

Please be specific in you responce.

If you don't understand what I mean just say so.

Regards,
Bud
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by:rmarotta
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Bud, those jumpers didn't change with a re-install.

hiho, I don't care about your points.  If you want to fix this thing, then DO NOT try to write anything to the drive that's giving you trouble.
Would you please respond to my last two posts?
Ralph


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by:mig315
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I think that you have that disk with Fat 32 of Win OSR-2. When you install Win 95a, the first hard disk stays with Fat 16. However, Win 95a can't read Fat 32 disk's. So secondary disk have the information yet, but you only can see it if you install Win OSR2 in your system, or you can take you secondary disk to a computer that have OSR2 !!!
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by:rmarotta
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Now, wasn't that a helpful answer!  I guess E-E's server is having a bad day.

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by:nigem
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Hehe sure is!!
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by:calvint
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if you were using linux before you can sometimes lose your hdd, because of the different partiton id's, although you can usually see them with fdisk.  I would suggest using 'fips' which would probably come with linux (if you have linux boot and root disks booting of them would work as well) and either delete the present partitions, save it then restart and run fdisk to make new partitions or change the id type to dos<32 ( something like that, fat might be in there too); and see if that works.
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by:rmarotta
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He's trying to save data on that drive!
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by:hiho
ID: 1711927
I´m really happy that so many people are trying to help me! More info:

- The drive doesn´t show when I type D: or E: in DOS.
- I do not see the drive in safe mode.
- I have NOT used LINUX before!
- I have NOT changed any jumpers!
- I have no LASTDRIVE statement in CONFIG.SYS
- I have NOT changed ANY settings in BIOS! And BIOS still sees the drive.
- I did not have FAT32 on any of the partitions on the drive.

As soon as I get home I will try the "FDISK /STATUS" command and post it here.

I will most certainly credit the person who provides me with the answer to solve my problem!
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by:Jez
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Are we talking IDE or SCSI drives? Also what type of CDROM drive are you using; and where is it connected to ie. sound card or secondary port. Is it master or slave?
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by:hiho
ID: 1711929
The hard drives are primary master (C:), primary slave (lost D: and E:).
The CD-ROM are secondary master.
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by:stevemiller
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If you think the boot sectors are bad, you can try the DOS command to copy the system files and command
       interpreters from the c drive to another drive-

       SYS [drive1:] [path] drive2:

       Try this and see if the drives work.


Otherwise, I suggest re-partitioning the drives and re-formatting them because it looks like your not going to get a thtat data anyway if you can't fix this.


stevemiller      
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by:smeebud
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hiho,
In you device manager under Disk Drives........Pleaespost what each reports when you check your properties.
Everything.
I know people say youdon't need this but, in you config.sys place a lastdrive statement.
LASTDRIVE=??  one latter past your last drive.

Bud

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by:mhomann
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Hi,

can you see all of your IDE drives in the cmos setup of your machine?

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by:rmarotta
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Somebody's not reading the posts.
We are trying to find his data on the second IDE drive, therefore
no boot sector involved.  He HAS said the BIOS sees the drive.
hiho, I'll wait for you to respond with what FDISK says about drives/partitions.
Ralph

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by:hiho
ID: 1711934
Output from "set > set.txt"
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TMP=C:\WINDOWS\TEMP
TEMP=C:\WINDOWS\TEMP
PROMPT=$p$g
winbootdir=C:\WINDOWS
COMSPEC=C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND.COM
PATH=C:\WINDOWS;C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND
CMDLINE=edit
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Output from "fdisk /status":
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  Disk   Unit     MB    Free   Used
    1           1534            100%
          C:    1534
    2           2437    2437       %
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I can also add that my CD doesn´t work after the reinstall either. That was the main reason I tried a reinstall. It sometimes read the root dir, but when I click on a folder the whole computer hangs.
I can use it in DOS though; I reinstalled W95 from DOS.
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by:hiho
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Device manager:

I have two "GENERIC IDE DISK TYPE46". One is unit C: and the other used to be D:,E:. Now it says nothing there, all is greyed out. Both has a check mark on interupt 13, greyed out though.

Under "controlling units for hard drives"(translated from swedish???) I have
- Intel PIIIX bus mastering PCI IDE-controller using IRQ 14 and 15
- Primary and secondary IDE-controller, double FIFO using IRQ 14 and 15
- Standard controller for ESDI/IDE hard disk using IRQ 10

No conflicts whatsoever, and I have not been fiddling with anything but the drive letter for the CD. And thats a little strange. Even though I set occupied "first unit" to D: and "last unit" to E:, the CD still gets D: as it is now. Maybe this is because there is nothing on D: and E: ? Or am I misunderstanding something?
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by:hiho
ID: 1711936
Brain pain...I´m a little soft in my head...I had THREE partitions on the drive I just recalled. One small and two larger. The small was just under ??? to make the clusters smaller, you know what I mean. I just figured that out because the size of the drive suggest that two partitions under 2GB wouldn´t have used the whole shebang...sorry if this confused someone!
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by:mitrakis
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hiho,

enabled interrupt13 is correct in both cases; the "greyed out" status is ok, too.
There must be more check boxes therein (i.e. "removable media" or even "DMA"),
please ensure that both boxes are unchecked (if not greyed out, too).

Have you already tried to disconnect CDROM from ide controller (and from soundcard) and reboot ?
If yes, add the LASTDRIVE=F (or better use H to be safe) line in your config.sys like smeebud suggested !

strange behaviour...so let's try strange suggestions.
Let me/us know

Regards
-Stavi-
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by:msols
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Try to use FDISK /MBR... or after that try to use NDD
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by:rmarotta
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Somehow, you have bus master controllers listed incorrectly in Device Manager.
Were those drivers installed after the re-install of Win95?
What version of Windows are you using, and is it the same one as the original installation?
Ralph

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by:jlove1
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I'd be willing to bet that EZBIOS/EZIDE or something simelar (boot manager) was installed on the D: drive. The EZBIOS was probably being loaded using the C: drives boot sector.... whenever you installed win95, it overwrote the boot sector (eraseing EZBIOS) and now you're left with an unrecognizeable partition (most of those programs use a proprietary scheme for storing the data.. win95 and your current BIOS have no Idea how to access this data.

I don't know of a way to test this theory, unless you could take the Second hard drive, and try to boot off of it (mabye EZBIOS is on it's Boot sector too...)

really, I think I know the problem, but the fix is probably just installing EZBIOS... but if you install this and it wasn't the problem, it can be difficult to remove.


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by:hiho
ID: 1711942
msols:
Hmm.. the "fdisk /mbr" command, does this write to the drive? I wont do anything like that before I am absolutely shure I can get the current state of the drive back, even though it does not work. Master boot record; it sounds like it´s writing on C: only, or?

jlove1:
How much do you bet? I have never installed a boot manager, at least not to my knowledge. And the EZ-stuff - I´m almost sure that this is NOT the case.

rmarotta:
What is wrong with the bus master drivers??? I haven´t touched them at all (at least to my knowledge)
The original W95 installation was plain 95. Then I added service pack 1. Then I added Office Pro. Then the service pack to Office Pro, think it was pack 1.
The reinstall was plain 95 (I got some messages that files were older...) the same as the original install.

Jason_Shulenberger:
I do not have Norton. Onla a demo on a CD wich I can´t install because the CD drive doesn´t work...
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by:smeebud
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I would have to agree with the guy that said if fdisk dont show any
partitions on his second drive then they aint there. You can try to recover
them with ndd or recreate them with fdisk. A hard drive will show up in cmos
without being fdisked. CMOS only knows how many heads and cylinders it has.

Jason_Shulenberger said it all.
I just counted 13 different cook inthe kitchen.
TO ALL;. I'm marking this answered ONLY to keep from getting us all confused and keep
more from coming in. I promise that I want HIHO  to reject me when he gets the answer from someone. Then he can ask for that person and give him the points.

MEANTIME, everyone can still continue helping as long as HIHO does not grade my statement of reason.

I don't need the points. i'm quite serious in this endever. We want to solve this for HIHO.

Regards,
Bud


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by:hiho
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smeebud:
Error - cannot open answer 10051235-37
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by:hiho
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smeebud:
When I rejected your answer it came through...
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by:rmarotta
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hiho,
First of all, I think it would be helpful if we had a breakdown of the hardware components installed in your system.
It's been my experience that the Intel busmaster drivers display as busmaster child devices on the primary & secondary controllers when configured properly.(instead of fifo)
You also show another standard IDE controller along with them.  Perhaps this is an IDE port on a soundcard?
Anyway, there is a PCI Bridge fix available that will straighten out the mess.  I think your CDROM not showing up is another part of this.
You can go to the following site for info and download of the PCI fix and new busmaster drivers if you want to install them too:

http://www.windrivers.com/company/intel/default.htm

Check the readme for info about it.  I hope it helps.
Regards,
Ralph

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by:dog3
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If any of the hard drives have over 1.45gigs your drives will not show. You may of blown the scuzi cable. You can tru to detect the drives by using add hardware wizard in the control pannel
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by:jlove1
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I just wanna post this:
If the hard drive DOESN'T work when booted to DOS MODE, then drivers (bus mastering or otherwise) are not at fault.

Please troubleshoot this program from DOS mode. (Hit f8 repeatedly while starting up and choose to go to "command prompt only".

DOS (7.0) should be able to find the drive IF it's partitioned correctly. If not, then the drive will not show up.

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by:rmarotta
ID: 1711950
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but that's ALL been said before.
As was said earlier, there is more than one problem here.
Hiho already has said that the CDROM works in Dos.  Now, he wants to see it in Windows, so the controller configuration is one issue. (for the CDROM)
The lost hard drive partitions is another issue.
Ralph

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by:jrhelgeson
ID: 1711951
Have you scanned for a virus?
If your cdrom drive is not working, why?
Do you have 1 hard drive acting as 2 (by use of jumpers), or do you have 2 hard drives?

What port is your CD Rom drive installed on?
What port is your Secondary Hard drive installed on?

Have no fear, your information has not been lost.

Read this answer I posted to a question a while ago:
http://www.experts-exchange.com/Q.8630032848

What may need to happen is for you to do the same thing I proposed to this user.
What brand of hard drive is it?
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by:smeebud
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jr, good man. We need hope on this.

YOUR ANSWER
"MicroHouse has a Nifty utility called DrivePro 3.0. This is a very powerful utility that enables you to take control of a disk drive at Ring 0 level memory management. (I have used it to recover data off of a floppy that had a pencil stuck through it!)"

Sounds good to me
Bud
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by:jlove1
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Gosh... Too many people referring to different problems.. Here I am, so concerned about the missing "partition" that I completely ignored the CD-ROM under 95.. hehe..
I guess I'm just thinking that I'd want the hard drive back up before I even started tampering with the CD
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by:somberlain
ID: 1711954
about the CD-ROM:

with all those messed up drivers in the win95 system applet thats probably what is screwing up the cd-rom. win95 is a big baby when its drivers get all boggled so since it works in DOS, u can blame that one most likely on win95 drivers

about the norton trial  CD you have:

in DOS, since your CD-ROM works in DOS, create a temporary directory and copy the norton CD into it in the same file structure so you can boot into windows and load norton off the hard disk.

that will let you run the norton stuff.

about the missing partitions:

hard drives are a real pain, I just had one that made my system all wierd before it crashed.  anything could have happened to that disk to make the partitions invisible.  if there was something on the partition table and windows took it out when you reinstalled it that *could* have done it, but as far as I know win95 only erases boot managers like Linux LILO! (which really sucks!!) since you didnt fool around in the case or with the bios we can exclude all that.  the only way to get the data back since it seems everything works fine on the hardware side, is with software. what I'd do is  use a bootdisk that you have on hand if you have one, and if not make one off a *clean* computer. then you can boot off it and see if your drives become visible. if they do then something is wrong with your system's bootup like a virus infection or somethng. if they dont appear the only other way to fix it is with the norton or other data recovery utility.

anyway if none of this works and after a month or so you still cant get the data retrieved there might be no option but to format that second drive and start over. since you have one hard drive slot left you might wanna invest in a small disk to backup your valuable data on, u can get some really cheap used 300 - 500MB drives online, I have an old samsung and it saved my butt when my main drive died.

hope at least my idea to run norton off the HD helped :)

later
  somberlain
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by:snapperhead
ID: 1711955
I want a shot at the 500 point booty!

I say you are SOL.
Boot to DOS,
Run fdisk,
Set up a new partion,
and format that puppy.

As for the CDrom, give me the points for this one and we'll work something
out.

I know, I know, I'm just kidding. Don't anybody go gettin all bent out of shape. Just trying to add a little humor to the situation.

I can't believe how many people are just guessing at answers in the hopes of getting it right and collecting the prize money. "the lure of easy money has a very strong appeal..."

Of course I could contribute something worthwhile, but the points are too low for me :)

good luck.
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by:jrhelgeson
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Please read my previous comment and post your response.  Thanks.
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by:hiho
ID: 1711957
I now got an old Norton disk editor. I don´t know which version but it can read BOTH my hard drives! The first sector on hard drive 2 is almost empty...i assume that this is where partition info should have been? The next sector is also empty - is this the first FAT?

Questions:

- Is there copies of drive records and FAT:s somwhere on a hard drive? ( apart from FAT2)
- I have recovered Atari hard disks like this before but I don´t know the structure of DOS/Windows hard disks. Where can I find this info? I can search for character strings to find the names of my previous partitions but it doesn´t mean much if I don´t know how to interpret the sector in wich the name resides...Is it a description of the partition or what?
- Can a more modern copy of NDD recreate a drive like this?

I can feel I´m close now but I now need a real expert on hard drives.

I thank all and everone for their help again, and of course I´ll credit the person who comes up with the final answer. But I really would like to credit all of you!
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by:dpavusin
ID: 1711958
Ouch deffinitely too many cooks...

OK. I think Bud, Ralph, Jr and few other guys are on the right track:

1.Obviously your secondary HDD had some fdisk or simmilar actions on it (virus?)

2. Your CD ROM won't work because you messed up with CDrip software (probably audiograbber v 1.xx)!
It instructed you to change scsihlp.vxd (I used the same software on one computer I maintain and afterwards had the same problem. Later I replaced scsihlp.vxd with the OSR2 version and it works now.) You should extract OSR1 scsihlp.vxd if you have win95 OSR1 installation CD - the version you originally had installed on your PC. IF not I can look for it (I can immediately supply you with OSR2 scsihlp.vxd but not with OSR1) or if anyone included in this discussion has the file he might send it to you by email.

Well the HD problem. First of all I would like you to run a small diagnostic utility. I can send it to you by email (I'll include my email at the end so you can contact me). This utility will show us all of your computer hardware and software, installed devices, detailed HD information etc. It is only about 300K zip file. The reason I would like you to do this is to have a clear situation and to be sure where to begin from, it will show us exact windows versions, FAT type etc.
Program has an option to create a text file located on your desktop with all detected HW/SW info. You should copy and paste the entire contents of that file here (as a comment).

Also I'll send you NDD and DISKEDIT for DOS (v.3.0) that is part of norton utilities for W95 and is the latest version available (it recognizes and can work with FAT32/long names too). I think you should NOT run it before we get an exact overview of your system but I would like you to have it and try it AFTER we're SURE what we will acomplish with it.

Untill than, please DO NOT use any software that will alter data on HD/partitions we cannot access now! Do not edit the HD/change the data on it. Also do not run FDISK on it!! (you can run FDISK /STATUS but not change anything) It might (not neccessary - better safe than sorry) damage the data on the lost partitions and make it impossible to recover it. Also do not attemp to make format or sys of these drives (you probably cannot do this anyway, but..).

I think that FAT information on your HD is not lost. BUT It is extremely difficult to manually restore all the lost data from your HD so I wouldn't suggest that method unless you're really expert in the field. I belive that using NDD and DISKEDIT (both have advanced recovery methods) we will restore your data.

Regards,

Damir
email: dp1@geocities.com

P.S. Bud, have you tried MicroHouse DrivePro 3.0? From your (jr's) description it sounds like a dream for everyone ever been working with HD's.
Have any ideas, what do you think about NDD?
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by:smeebud
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An excerpt from bootsv18.zip
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BootRest saves only one tiny 512 byte sector near the start of
your disk.  This is the only thing it can repair.  The current
version does not even save the boot sectors on the front of each
partition.  If you want to make your C: partition bootable
again, use Norton NDD 4.5 or DiskTool 6.0.  You can also try
booting from floppy and typing SYS C:.  To recover from massive
losses of files, there is no subsitute for a tape backup system
with daily backups.

Perhaps in a future version I will save all boot sectors for
each partition.  This job is complicated by the extensions that
SpeedStor and Ontrack Disk Manager make to the partition table.

This utility can btring back lost partitions.

Be back,
Bud
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by:smeebud
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Damir,
Well, NDD at a dos level [I assume dos level is what you mean] can work wonders.
But it either solves or it doesn't. past that, I'm not smart enough to use it's more advanced
features.

hiho, did you tery jr's suggestion??

I think we are past this, but please do it anyway and post:
If a hard ware such as a mouse, modem or CD-ROM didn't get detected automatically and you know that CMOS settings and the
hardware is OK then you could have IRQ or I/O port conflict.
The best way to find out is go to the Control Panel\System icon\Device manager tab and click print, don't select to print the whole
report because you will end up with 40 pages or more, just select the IRQ and I/O ports summary, from there you see what using
what.

Bud
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hiho,
You say that the second drive is recognized by the BIOS.  Is it set for auto detection of the proper parameters, or have you entered them manually?
Ralph

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Possible Data Loss with LBA and INT13 Extensions [FDISK /X]
http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/q148/8/21.asp  
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See;
http://www.stiller.com/Win95D.htm

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by:johnny_5
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Well hiho - when I find myself in times of trouble, mother mary - oh crap - no not that.  

Here are a couple ideas...

(DISCLAIM DISCLAIM!  I haven't read through ALL the previous messages!  So, if I'm being really really stupid, just shake your head and say to yourself, "That boy... He really oughta' pay more attention!" ;)

Idea #0 -
   
   After writing this beautiful step-by-step instruciton guide, I just thought of something - HOW did you go about copying those music files onto your hard drive?  I mean, EXACTLY how?  Through explorer?  That might have screwed ya' up.  If it did, well, the norton disk doctor is a pretty good idea... also, there's something out there called Partition Magic that might help you as well.  I dunno.  But try the step-by-step breakdown first... I find it usually works - though I don't claim to know why half the time!


Idea #1.  

Put a redhat install CD in the drive and boot off it (look in yoru BIOS for boot order).  Don't install it, for christ's sake, just look at it.  If you see your drives there, well, that'll clarify some stuff.  (Linux plug! Linux plug! ;)

Idea #2

Get yerself a blank floppy, at a dos prompt, type "sys a:".  On the file will be your autoexec.bat, config.sys, io.sys, msdos.sys, command.com, and drvspace.bin (even if you don't use drivspace).  Edit your config.sys file to include the line "LASTDRIVE=Z".  Try to boot off the floppy.  When the "Starting Windows 95..." thingy comes up, hit F8 and hit "Command Prompt Only"  Once in dos, see if you can access your drives. (It's a long shot)  

One addendum - this boot disk will be used later - go ahead and copy your cd-rom driver, (eg nec_ide.sys, etc.) and mscdex.exe to this floppy, as well as fdisk.  

Idea #3.

Take the boot disk you have there and keep it safe.  Now, get yourself a set of my favorite tech-tools - a pencil and a piece of paper and DRAW AND WRITE DOWN EVERYTHIGN ABOUT YOUR HARDWARE SETUP!!! If you're not used to this stuff, it can get real confusing and annoying and make you want to kill people.  I'm serious - before you touch anything - draw out your motherboard - which cables go to what - which way they're facing - WHICH JUMPERS GO WHERE! Cuz we're gonna' take this thing apart!

Once you have a ridiculously detailed map of your hardware config, shut it all down, unplug it, get the screwdriver and take it all apart.  You want to have only ONE drive  on there - the one that's giving you problems.  You gotta' set it up as a Stand Alone (some let you do Master/StandAlone on the same jumper, I dunno) Find the web page if you've lost the manual or it's not printed on the drive and check to see what standalone is.  If it's a western digital drive, and it has six pins in the back, tehn standalone will be... crap I forget. sorry.  

Take it all apart and set up your sick drive as the master on the primary IDE controller.  Plug it into IDE #1 with nothing else.

Pop in your boot disk and turn it on.

When "Starting Windows 95..." comes up, hit F8

Go to Command Prompt Only

cross your fingers, your toes, hold your breath and get on the edge of your seat...

C:   <enter>

option 1 - get a beer, have a party
option 2 - get a gun

Now.  If this works, then you're set.  You're #1!  If not, well, all is not necessarily lost.  but most likely your data is gone. kablooey!  

UNLESS!!!

No... not really.  I had something, I think, but I forgot...

If it works, then, well, on to phase 2

If it doesn't, then, ummm... Something's wrong. ;) I'm lost then.

Phase 2   (bum-ba-da-BUM!)
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Now, let's try to add the CD-ROM.  Turn it all off again and configure your hard drive (the maybe not so bummed one) to be master, and your cd-rom to be slave.  Hook up the cd-rom to the cable and turn it on.  See if it gets auto-detected.  Boot off your floppy again and do the F8 foxtrot to get you to a dos prompt.  Oh yeah - add edit.exe to the floppy, too, and I don't know if it still needs qbasic.exe with it - it used to.  Try it and see.  (this means read the whole article here before doing anything!)  If it auto-detects it, great, edit your config.sys to include the driver line...

device=<driver.sys> /d:CD001

or something like that.

and edit your autoexec.bat to add the line

mscdex.exe /d:CD001

just so that the /d's are the same in each.

Start it up again.  Stay in DOS.  You probably won't have a choice, now that I think about it.  Yeah, actually, you won't.  It'll bring you right to dos anyways without the f8 stuff, I think.  Anyways - watch the startup data on the screen - if you see error messages and the like when it's loading the cdrom drivers, turn it off, and double-check the configurations.  If they're good, then, well, I dunno.  If it works, however, yippee!!  Keep typin' drive letters tll you get to your cd-rom and see if you can do a "dir".  If so, zip-a-dee-doda!  On to phase 3

Phase 3:
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Now, (with your boot disk more valuable than your soul) turn it all off and add your working hard drive as the secondary standalone.  Make sure to configure the jumpers right on it.  Turn it on, see if it autodetects.  Make sure your boot disk is in there.  See if you can get to the drive.  Hopefully, yes you can.  

Okay - from here, if it all works (very doubtful, actually) then what you need to do is configure your primary drive as a master with the cd-rom as a slave to it and your secondary drive as a standalone on the secondary controller.  See if it autodetects it, see if you can get to it.  cross those fingers harder than you ever have before.  (It helps, I swear to god)

Shoot - just thought of something... idea #0...

Okay - if NONE of this works - take your hard drives over to a friend's house and see if they'll work on another computer.  That would mean a bios barf.  See if your bad one (configured correctly) can be accessed from another computer.  

If NONE of these works... I'm hesitant to say you're SOL, but personally I'd be cuttin' my losses and reformatting the drive. <cringe!> Ouch! I know!  It hurts!  

Well, long-winded as I am, perhaps something will come of one or two of these words!

May the force be with you, hiho.  You'll need it.


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johnny,
I'm glad you said it and not me. I believe the time is coming soon where we delete partitions. Fdisk a new and format. You're right. IT HURTS!!

regards,
Bud
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HERE IS MY SYSTEM!

[SYSTEM]

Processor: Pentium, 133 MHz
Memory: 96 MB RAM
BIOS Name: Award, 09/12/96
BIOS Version: Award Modular BIOS v4.51PG
Free hard disk space ( MB ): 361
Bus Type: PCI-buss
Modem(s): SF1128HV+-R9, Parallell kabel mellan två PC
Multimedia Devices: Sound, CD-ROM
Floppy Drive(s): 1.44MB
Ports: 0 Parallel, 0 Serial

[Operating System]
Windows Version: Windows 95, Version 4.0, Build 950
User Name: Jan
Registered to: Jan Sjöberg
Your Company: Hi&Ho Music
Product ID: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

** CONFLICTS / PROBLEMS **

No Problems / Conflicts or Disabled Devices.


[CPU]

CPU Vendor: GenuineIntel
Family: 80586
Detected Frequency: 133 MHz
Model: Pentium 75-200MHz
Type: P54C
Comment:
Total CPUs: 1
Active CPUs: 1
MMX: No
FPU On Chip: Yes


[STORAGE DEVICES]

Total Physical Memory: 96 MB
Free Physical Memory: 35 MB

SCSI Adapter(s): Adaptec AHA-152X/AHA-1510 SCSI-värdkort


** CD-ROM Drive(s) **

Product ID: CD-ROM CR-583  
Manufacturer: MATSHITA
Assigned Drive Letter(s): D
Revision: 108J
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** Disk Drives **

Drive: [-A-] - [Removable]
Total Disk Space: Unavailable
Free Disk Space: Unavailable
-----------------
Total Clusters: Unavailable
Total Sectors: Unavailable
Total Bytes: Unavailable
Sectors Per Cluster: Unavailable
Sector Size: Unavailable
Cluster Size: Unavailable
Max. File Name Length: Unavailable
File System: Unavailable

*************


Drive: [-C-] SYSTEM - [HDD]
Total Disk Space: [1607.89] / 1533.41 MB
Free Disk Space: [378.96] / 361.41 MB
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Total Clusters: 49,069
Total Sectors: 3,140,416
Total Bytes: 1,607,892,992
Sectors Per Cluster: 64 Sectors
Sector Size: 512 Bytes
Cluster Size: 32,768 Bytes
Max. File Name Length: 255 Characters
File System: FAT

*************


Drive: [-D-] - [CD-ROM]
Total Disk Space: Unavailable
Free Disk Space: Unavailable
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Total Clusters: Unavailable
Total Sectors: Unavailable
Total Bytes: Unavailable
Sectors Per Cluster: Unavailable
Sector Size: Unavailable
Cluster Size: Unavailable
Max. File Name Length: Unavailable
File System: Unavailable

*************





[VIDEO]

Video Card: [Hercules Power Drive]  Dynamite 128 Series (V1.23)
Display Driver Version: 4.03.00.0323
DirectX Status: Blank, Hardware Support
DirectX(tm) Driver: DirectDraw Ver. 4.05.00.0155
Video Memory: 2 MB
Bus Type: PCI
Chip Model: ET6000
DAC Type: Internal 135Mhz
Chip Revision: A


Current Resolution: 800x600
Bits Per Pixel: 16
Number of Colors (reported by Windows): 65536


** SUPPORTED VIDEO MODES **

256 Color (8bit), 640x480
256 Color (8bit), 800x600
256 Color (8bit), 1024x768
High Color (16bit), 640x480
High Color (16bit), 800x600
High Color (16bit), 1024x768
True Color (24bit), 640x480
True Color (24bit), 800x600


** MONITOR INFORMATION **


Monitor Type / Model: Samtron SC-528TXL
Manufacturer: Samtron
Maximum Supported Resolution: 1024x768



[SOUND]

DirectX(tm): DirectSound Ver. 4.05.00.0155
DirectX Status: Not Certified

** MIDI Output Devices **

Device: ESS MPU-401
Manufacturer: ESS Technology, Inc.
Device: ESFM Synthesis (220)
Manufacturer: ESS Technology, Inc.

** Wave Output Devices **

Device: Spelkompatibel enhet
Manufacturer: Microsoft Corporation
Device: Voice Modem Wave #00 Line
Manufacturer: Microsoft Corporation
Device: ESS AudioDrive Playback (220)
Manufacturer: ESS Technology, Inc.

[MODEM]

** Modems **

Modem: SF1128HV+-R9
Manufacturer: GVC
Attached to Port: COM3

Modem: Parallell kabel mellan två PC
Manufacturer: GVC
Attached to Port: COM3


[NETWORK]

** Network Adapters **

Network Adapter: Microsoft drivrutin för fjärranslutning
Manufacturer: Microsoft
Network Description: Microsoft drivrutin för fjärranslutning gör att du kan anslu
a datorn till PPP, RAS och Netware Connect dial up-servrar med ett modem eller en kabel.

Computer Name: JANS HEM
IP Address: 0.0.0.0
Subnet Mask: 0.0.0.0
Default Gateway:

Winsock Desc.: Microsoft Windows Sockets Version 1.1.
Winsock Status: Running on Windows 95.
DirectPlay Ver. 4.05.00.0155
DirectX Driver Build Type: Standard Release Version.
Old DirectPlay Ver. 4.03.00.1096

** ALL INSTALLED DEVICES **

[System] - Moderkort
[System] - Programmerbar avbrottshanterare
[System] - DMA-styrenhet
[System] - System-timer
[System] - System CMOS/realtidsklocka
[Keyboard] - 101/102-tangenters eller Microsoft Natural Keyboard
[System] - Systemhögtalare
[System] - Matematikprocessor
[System] - Moderkortstillägg för PnP-BIOS
[System] - PCI-standardvärd CPU-bryggga
[System] - IO-dataport för ISA Plug and Play
[Modem] - SF1128HV+-R9
[MEDIA] - ESS ES1868 Control Interface
[MEDIA] - Genius Sound Maker 18PnP Series
[MEDIA] - Gameport Joystick
[hdc] - Standardstyrenhet för IDE/ESDI-hårddisk
[System] - PCI-standard ISA-brygga
[DiskDrive] - GENERIC IDE  DISK TYPE46
[DiskDrive] - GENERIC IDE  DISK TYPE46
[hdc] - Primär IDE-styrenhet (dubbel fifo)
[CDROM] - MATSHITA CD-ROM CR-583  
[hdc] - Sekundär IDE-styrenhet (dubbel fifo)
[hdc] - Intel PIIIX Bus Mastering PCI IDE-styrenhet
[Monitor] - Samtron SC-528TXL
[DISPLAY] - [Hercules Power Drive]  Dynamite 128 Series (V1.23)
[System] - PCI-buss
[System] - Moderkortsresurser
[Ports] - Kommunikationsport (COM1)
[DiskDrive] - GENERIC NEC  FLOPPY DISK
[fdc] - Standard diskettstyrenhet
[Ports] - ECP-skrivarport (LPT1)
[Ports] - Kommunikationsport (COM2)
[System] - Plug and Play BIOS
[System] - Advanced Power Management-stöd
[Mouse] - Logitech Serial Mouse
[NetService] - Fil- och skrivardelning för Microsoft Network
[NetClient] - Klient för Microsoft-nätverk
[NetService] - Fil- och skrivardelning för Microsoft Network
[NetTrans] - NetBEUI
[NetService] - Fil- och skrivardelning för Microsoft Network
[NetClient] - Klient för Microsoft-nätverk
[NetService] - Fil- och skrivardelning för Microsoft Network
[NetTrans] - IPX/SPX-kompatibelt protokoll
[NetTrans] - TCP/IP
[Net] - Microsoft drivrutin för fjärranslutning
[Modem] - Parallell kabel på LPT1
[SCSIAdapter] - Adaptec AHA-152X/AHA-1510 SCSI-värdkort
[Printer] - Star LaserPrinter 4
[Printer] - Oki OL-400
[MEDIA] - Wave Device for Voice Modem
[NetClient] - Klient för Microsoft-nätverk
[NetService] - Fil- och skrivardelning för Microsoft Network

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by:hiho
ID: 1711966
dpavusin:
Yes, yes, yes!!!! I got my drive back!!!!! A piece of cake for NDD!!!! This makes me really happy!!! I don´t know how to thank you! And you other people as well! I do not know what to do with the points at this stage...tell me something reasonable?

But my CD still acting up...it´s showing up in explorer and I can even read a file or two, but then it just hangs. With Ctrl-Alt-Delete I can sometimes end it, but sometimes the computer just reboots...

Must I install a totally new system to get things right? Wich one should I go for in that case, OSR1 or 2? (I know I have to install 2 from scratch) But I rather try to work thins out without reinstalling everything. I already have to reinstall Office i noticed, since I can´t start Outlook; some files missing...

First of all I will make a DAT backup of everything!
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by:smeebud
ID: 1711967
DA DA..............Music, cheers and much laughing and applauds all around:::)))

Exactly how did you work with NDD.

Bud
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Hehehe - :) glad to be of service! ;)

Congratulations!


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I had a similar problem. I had a 5.7 gig drive partitioned into 2 2gig and 1 1.7 gig drives. I swapped HDs with another PC and it refused to see the partitions. It kept telling me that the drive was a non-dos partition.

If you have this too, i'm buggered if i can help you. i had to reformat the drive. If it DOES read it as a DOS partition, I'd get Partition Magic and play with that. i've had GREAT success with fixing trashed partitions, and you don't lose any data when using it.

Geoff

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by:dpavusin
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Hi guys....

Looks like you'll get a beer and make a party afterall hiho... (glad, because option no.2 was a shutgun.. I don't think your computer would like to see you standing before it with a shotgun.. you probably scared him off and now it works..)

OK here was the procedure.. I sent hiho NDD, DISKEDIT (both for DOS but from W95 norton utilities packet so it can deal with large disks, FAT32 and large names) and small diagnostic utility that gives such a nice printout of all devices and software on a PC.. I think we should make it a standard procedure for everyone asking for help at EE.. I just love it! I think that a first copy of FAT was probably damaged hiho went to clean DOS, ran NDD and NDD managed to fix it with it's copy. I'm waiting for hiho to give us more details on this!

About the CD-ROM problem. I seen simmilar problem after running audiograbber 1.01 (software that reads digital audio from CD and stores it as waw file on your HD.) Audiograbber instructs you to replace scsihlp.vxd file with some older version to make it work. Supposedly audiograbber won't work with newer scsihlp.vxd file versions. After I have done that my CD-ROM started behaving strange..It took it few minutes to start reading and it hardly managed to read a CD-ROM.. I replaced that scsihlp.vxd file with original version I had before audiograbber (mine was OSR2) and it worked fine. Hiho, have you used audiograbber?

Hiho, I think you're now using first Win95 (build 950) scsihlp.vxd, but originally you had OSR1 installed and than reinstalled "normal" build 950 over it, BUT you kept all newer files from OSR1 and only replaced the damaged ones with this older version. SO I think you need scsihlp.vxd from OSR1.. I'll send you my scsihlp.vxd file by mail so you can try it.

Alternative solution would be to delete scsihlp.vxd file and also in control panel / system /  delete CD-ROM.. than restart computer.. If it is Plug'n Play CD-ROM (and it seems to me it is..) it would be detected on next bootup/windows run. If windows ask you for Win95 installation CD it would be good if you have OSR1 CD from which you originally installed your windows. If windows does not automatically replace missing scsihlp.vxd, replace it yourself (copy the file from OSR1 installation CD, please ask if you need instructions on how to extract files from installation CD cab's.

Hiho, If you have a way to backup all your data to some other place (DAT?!) I would recomend new reinstallation and OSR2 if possible. Why? First OSR2 has many bugs from previous versions solved, secondly it gives you FAT32 with much much smaller cluster size (4 k instead 32 k now) which will save you many MB's on disk(s) in your email to me you mentioned some other problems with devices in control panel.. after so many instalations/reinstalations with different windows versions some problems normally occured. Fresh installation would help you with this too and last (not the least) performance on your computer would be better with fresh install - this install now has much "garbage" which slowes down your computer.

Oh yea, the diagnostic results you have sent us are before you managed to fix your HD, right? Can you run the diag utility again (now that you have solved HD problem) and send us new data? Please insert any CD in CD-ROM drive because diag utility would try to read it so we'll see what happens.

Guys, I think if we solve CD-ROm problem we should make a party.. too bad we're from different places in world and my modem still does not support human transport. Anybody seen modem human transport upgrade/drivers on the net? Please send me address..

Regards,

Damir
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by:hiho
ID: 1711971
smeebud:
I just ran NDD and it detcted a faulty second drive. I answered yes to most of the questions that asked me if I wanted my old partitions back and; there it was!!!

dpavusin:
Yes, I used audiograbber. And I thought I got my scsi1hlp.vxd back, at least I renamed it and replaced it at first when I installed audiograbber. And when my CD didn´t work I did the opposite. Still no go...
Since I do not have a OSR1 CD, can I just add the service pack at this stage? WHat makes me so tired is the prospect of reinstalling every single program I have. I´m not exactly sure how to get mail, faxes and everything back onto a new install either, i.e. wich files contains what. I have a lot of backups from Office that I just cannot loose (the automatic archive feature)

I´ll run the diagnostic util as soon I get home tonight. And thank you again!!!!
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Hiho, I'll try to get you new scsihlp.vxd (from OSR1) and send it by mail. In the future use windac or something simmilar for geting digital copy..audiograbber still has to improove..

Try the procedure with deleting CD-ROM and scsihlp.vxd I suggested in my previous post.. I'm 98% sure audiograbber is the problem, seen it before..

Yeap, take a time and try to find all important files you need. You might even backup entire HD and than after reinstall restore only files you need (mail archive, faxes, documents etc..). If you're not sure which files contain your fax, mail etc data.. look in the directory where your mail, fax, etc. program resides and search for files that are freq modified (have newer dates). They're usually large files too (mail & fax archives - sent mail, received mail, faxes etc.)

We'll get your CD-ROM back don't worry.

Regards,

Damir

Guys, can anybody post hiho OSR1 scsihlp.vxd?
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Glad you could get it resolved.
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by:smeebud
ID: 1711974
I'll try to get the vxd.
I don't see your address hiho.

Bud
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by:smeebud
ID: 1711975
I can't find your CD brand?
Go to
http://www.evitech.fi/~jarnomn/files/drivers/cdrom_d.html

See;
Enhanced CD Fix for Windows 95
http://www.somuch.com/klose/tofix.html
and download.

Bud
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by:dpavusin
ID: 1711977
Bud I'll send you hiho's address by email so you can send him vxd he needs.

Jason: I don't think deleting all devices is necessary! It works well if he only deletes CD-ROM and restarts computer. Because he has PIIX drivers installed too I really don't suggest him to delete all Hard Disk controlers and drives!! If he does that he might have his windows completely blocked!

I have already suggested hiho to try deleting CD-ROM.. we'll see what happens.. he said he'll try it tonight.

Damir
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by:smeebud
ID: 1711978
Ok, but i'm not yet sure of the size, time and date stamp of that .vxd.
These urls offer what seems to be uni-drivers.
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      Go to
      http://www.evitech.fi/~jarnomn/files/drivers/cdrom_d.html

      See;
      Enhanced CD Fix for Windows 95
      http://www.somuch.com/klose/tofix.html
      and download.

Bud
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by:hiho
ID: 1711980
smeebud:
[CDROM] - MATSHITA CD-ROM CR-583  (Matsushita)

dpavusin:
Thank you for the scsi1hlp.vxd! It didn´t work unfortunately...It starts out fine, I can read a couple of files , then : the CD light goes off, computer stuck and this time (I´ve had this before also) the infamous blue screen saying:
- An exeption has occured at ... in VxD CDFS(3) + ... called from VxD voltrack(04).
I have checked these files and they both seem to be the 950 build, although voltrack says "file version" 952 but product version 950?!? I don´t know if this is significant.The voltrack.vxd is in my native language, Swedish, so I don´t think it would be adviseable to install an English here, or?
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Ooops..my scsihlp.vxd was OSR2 (build 1111) also english..so blue screen is not very strange..
can't you find original Swedish OSR1 scsihlp.vxd?

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Sent you voltrack.vxd by mail too..It will probably not work but you might try....
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Different file and product versions means that file was part of OSR1 or some upgrade (service pack?!) That might be exactly why CD-ROM is not working.. you're trying to mix different vxd file versions (OSR1 and originall Win95 build 950)

How did you upgraded to OSR1? By applaying some kind of service pack or installed it from OSR1 installation CD? Can you get OSR1 installation CD again, just to copy scsi1hlp.vxd file from it?

Damir
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by:hiho
ID: 1711984
I got the OSR1 service pack from MS internet sight. And as I said, i have had the same blue screen before I got your VXD. It´s only the voltrack.vxd that reports Swedish. I don´t think that all files are translated, just the ones that says something to the user, if you know what I mean.
I have just looked on a Swedish OSR2 CD but I couldn´t find neither CDFS.VXS nor VOLTRACK.VXD in any of the cab´s. Are these obsolete in OSR2 or are they somewhere else?
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by:dpavusin
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Have you tried running that upgrade? What happens?

Upto my knowledge voltrack.vxd should exist on original CD. It is late here too and I must admitt I'm tired..

Try remooving CD from devices in control panel in safe mode (already described before).

Damir
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by:hiho
ID: 1711987
dpavusin:
I have removed CD and rebooted - things still the same though...goodnight everyone!
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Jason can you send me the file please? I guess I'm just to tired to bother with MS now..

Damir
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hiho,
i just sent you remideup.exe

Bud
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by:hiho
ID: 1711992
I tried the remideup.exe but unfortunately it didn´t work...
I´m also in a little trouble because my demo version of Cheyenne backup has expired...I have to get a new backup program before I can do anything more to my drives. As long as I remove my CD in system manager the first thing I do when I start up everythings fine. Otherwise; as soon as I just open a explorer window the computer hangs...

Do any of you have a suggestion of a GOOD backup program that handles SCSI DAT:s? It doesn´t matter if it´s just plain DOS. The Cheyenne program I used was well over 6-7MB; I don´t understand why programs has to be that big?!? I just wanna do backups - leave the fancy graphics and other meaningless code to other programs...
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Give up
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by:jorgea051298
ID: 1711995
Hi I try to follow al the comments and rejected aswers, I hope dont los any information of importanc my diagnostic, your second hard drive have lost the partitions, fdisk status, and other symptoms, but in the other side, maybe your ide controller have somethin wrong, try put the second drive in a computer (other in well shape) and try to recognize like a slave, try to get some demos from partition magic, to analyze the status of partition, maybe the ide controller is th fail, and remember if the answer dont like you is still and aswer, try wit partition magic is a nos destructive partition program, but the point is if you don view th partions you dont have partitions... try in other machine and prepare yourself to recover your partitins .... sorry
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by:jorgea051298
ID: 1711996
IT HAPPENED AGAIN!!! I LOST MY DRIVE SUDDENLY?!?!!! I´m growing gray hairs here...I was able to recover it immediately with NDD though - thanks to dpavusin! So I scanned for virus with Norton Antivirus. Nothing. What is this?!?!?!!! Now I MUST backup NOW!!! Anyone with a backup prog: old and grey doesn´t matter, the smaller the better- tell me about it, where can I get it?
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by:hiho
ID: 1711997
Use Windows95 "Backup" if nothing else.

Any idea as to what caused the partitions to fail this time?  Any errors, or lockups?
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by:smeebud
ID: 1711999
And even more reason to start clean hiho with all you poor system has been thru is this,
---------


You may receive the error message in any of the following scenarios:

Scenario 1

You have the Windows 95 retail upgrade pre-installed on your computer, but the source (compact disc or floppy disks) you are using to
reinstall Windows 95 or install a component is the Windows 95 Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM) Service Release 1.

Scenario 2

You have the Windows 95 Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM) Service Release 1 pre-installed on your computer, but the source
(compact disc or floppy disks) you are using to reinstall Windows 95 or install a component is the Windows 95 retail upgrade.

Scenario 3

A third-party application or component that you have previously installed has overwritten one or more Windows 95 files.

RESOLUTION

Scenario 1

Contact the OEM vendor for assistance in properly resolving this issue.

NOTE: Using the OEM Service Release 1 compact disc to upgrade Windows 95 is not supported by Microsoft.

Scenario 2

Contact the OEM vendor so that the vendor can provide you with the correct source files for the version of Windows 95 installed on your
computer.

Scenario 3

Choose "No" to the error message mentioned in the "Symptoms" section so that Windows 95 overwrites the files on your system with the
original Windows 95 files. This may cause one or more of your third-party programs to stop working properly. If this occurs, you may need to
reinstall any affected programs.

NOTE: When you reinstall your third-party program(s) (as discussed earlier), the third-party programs may overwrite some Windows files.
Therefore, you may find that some Windows components no longer work properly.

MORE INFORMATION

Some OEMs may ship computers with a mismatch between their pre-installed version of Windows 95 (OEM Service Release 1) and the
Windows 95 compact disc or floppy disks (retail Windows 95 upgrade) included with the computer. The Windows 95 OEM Service Release 1
includes several updates that are not included in the retail Windows 95 upgrade. The following is a partial list of files that may be displayed in
the error message mentioned in the "Symptoms" section:

Nwnp32.dll
Lpt.vxd
Mapi32.dll
Cdvsd.vxd
Voltrack.vxd
Umdm16.dll
Umdm32.dll
Unimdm.tsp
Unimodem.vxd
Esdi_506.pdr
Scsihlp.vxd
Modemui.dll
Ole32.dll
Shell32.dll
Mspwl32.dll
Vredir.vxd
Nwredir.vxd

My Suggestion was to format, delete partitions. recreate them, and format /u /s to make a very health hard drive. I had said that i believe thta you know its time.
You don't want to keep fighting this forever.
----------AND tht we'll be here to help.
Partitioning a Hard Disk using FDISK

The FDISK program is used to configure your hard disk. For example, if you
want to configure a new hard disk or re-configure an old one, you must use FDISK.

Using FDISK

If you have already set up DOS, you can run the FDISK program from your hard disk.
If you have not yet set up MS-DOS, you can run the FDISK program from your startup disk.

If you want to repartition your hard disk the points below should be followed.

1. Delete any non-MS-DOS partitions.
2. Delete the logical drives in the extended
MS-DOS partition, if there are any.
3. Delete the extended MS-DOS partition, if there is one.
4. Delete the primary MS-DOS partition.

To configure a new drive or re-configure an old drive the points below should be followed.

1. Create a new primary MS-DOS partition.
2. Create an active partition.
3. Create an extended partition and logical drives, if you want any.

Caution: If you use FDISK to partition a hard disk, all the files on your original
partitions will be deleted. Be sure to back up all data files on a partition before you use FDISK.

To start FDISK

1.Type fdisk at the command prompt.

The FDISK Options screen appears:

MS-DOS Version 6

Fixed Disk Setup Program
 

FDISK OPTIONS

Current fixed disk drive: 1

Choose one of the following:

1. Create DOS partition or Logical DOS Drive
2. Set active partitions
3. Delete any partition or Logical DOS Drive
4. Display partition information

Enter choice: [1]

Press ESC to exit FDISK

Your machine should be restarted or will restart automatically itself to
allow the HARD Disk partitions to be recognised.

NOTE: You will need a Startup or Boot diskette in drive A as your hard disk
has not yet been formatted or had any operating system installed. When your
machine has booted up to the prompt, formatting the hard drive can begin.

FORMATTING A HARD DISK.

Even after a hard disk has been configured with fdisk you cannot use the hard
disk until you format it.

To format the drive(s) on your hard disk

1. Make sure your startup disk is in drive A.
2. At the command prompt, type the following:
3. format drive: eg. format c: /s /u
4. A warning message appears.
5. To proceed with formatting, press Y, and then press ENTER.
6. When formatting is complete, type a volume label if you want one,
    and then press ENTER.
7. Remove floppy disks from all floppy disk drives, and then restart your
   computer by pressing CTRL+ALT+DEL.



                               BEWARE OF WINDOWS 95 (DOS 7) FDISK

Possible Data Loss with LBA and INT13 Extensions [FDISK /X]
Get Update Patch at URL below;
http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/q148/8/21.asp

http://www.stiller.com/Win95D.htm
(updated June 3, 1997)

We've had reports from Integrity Master customers that their newly
purchased (and partitioned with Windows 95 FDISK) disks are unreliable.
(Note, these problems are not related to Win95 OSR2 (service release 2
which supports FAT32.) This was particularly troubling because these disks
were brand new and shouldn't be having problems--yet Integrity Master was
detecting file corruption on these disk.

Initially these problems looked exactly like hard disk failure or in some
cases like memory or motherboard problems. The symptoms included system
hangs and occasional inability to boot.

Some users found cross-linked clusters and used Scandisk, Norton Disk
Doctor or other utilities to "fix" there disks. After doing this, the users
were in a "fix"--there was now massive damage to the files on their disks.

The problem stems from a bug in the way the Windows 95 (actually MS-DOS 7)
handles extended partitions created by the Windows 95 FDISK program for
large disks (with more than 504 megabytes). Bugs in the Windows 95 (MS-DOS
7) hard disk drivers can cause data corruption in this situation. If you
are running an integrity checker it will report corrupted files and
possibly directories.

If you suspect this problem, please do NOT run Scandisk or one of the disk
fixup utilities since this can make the situation much worse.

ARE YOU AT RISK?

You are vulnerable to this problem if you meet all the following criteria:

   * You are running Windows 95 and
   * You have an IDE hard disk with more 504 million bytes using LBA. (LBA
     is the address translation support that allows the BIOS on these PCs
     to support more than 504mb.)
   * The hard disk has more than one logical partition created by the
     Windows 95 FDISK program.

Microsoft reports that data damage may result when you exit the Windows 95
graphic user interface to the MS-DOS command line without rebooting the PC.

If you suspect you have this problem be very careful since it can result in
loss of all data in your extended partitions. An integrity checker such as
Integrity Master should be able to spot any data corruption before it gets
serious. (Microsoft documents this problem in their PSS ID Number:
Q148821).

SOLUTIONS TO THE PROBLEM

If you use the /X parameter on FDISK (i.e., "FDISK /X" )when you partition
your hard disk under Windows 95 (or DOS 7), FDISK will user the older style
extended partitions and you (according to Microsoft) will not be exposed to
this problem. Reports from our customers seem to support the contention
that this gets around the problem. Note, that if you already have
partitions created with Windows 95's FDISK, you can recreate them with
"FDISK /X" but you will need to reload all data into these partitions from
a backup. Make absolutely sure you have a good backup (or preferably two!)
before attempting this.

Microsoft is working on the problem and has posted "fixes" on their web
site. (See technet document Q148821 and file DSKSUPD.EXE).

Regards
Bud
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ID: 1712000
AAAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


YOU NEED AN UPDATE FROM MICROSOFT hiho!!!!!

I Just realized that,  Does this sound familiar?

 
---------->  Disk Type Specific Driver Update for Windows 95
                 (Download: 114K, self-extracting Zip file, published:
                 June 27th, 1996)

                 This update resolves a problem in Microsoft®
                 Windows® 95 which may, in certain specific
                 configurations, lead to corrupted data on extended
                 partitions on large IDE drives.

                 This problem may arise if all of the below conditions
                 are true:

                      The hard disk is a large (>504 MB) Enhanced
                      IDE hard disk.
                      The hard disk is accessed using Logical Block
                      Addressing (LBA).
                      The hard disk has been partitioned into multiple
                      partitions with the Windows 95 version of
                      FDISK, or another partitioning utility that
                      creates MS-DOS® extended partition types
                      0x0E and 0x0F.
                      The system BIOS supports extended INT13
                      functions to access hard disk devices.
                      You have exited to MS-DOS mode from Windows
                      95 without rebooting the computer.

                 Under these conditions, the contents of logical drives
                 in the extended partition may appear incorrect or
                 corrupted. If these logical drives are written to under
                 this condition, information may be written incorrectly
                 to these drives, resulting in data corruption.

                 Users of computers with large IDE hard disks (greater
                 than 504mb), partitioned into multiple logical drives,
                 with a system BIOS that supports extended INT13
                 functions, should obtain this update.
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ID: 1712001
I have just made a backup, I did go for Cheyenne Backup trial again...So now I have my disks secured (?) on DAT. Phew!!!
There is very much text for me to read now, thanks to smeebud in particular. I feel I must fully grasp this before I do anything.
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by:hiho
ID: 1712002
This question is starting to get rediculously long; can we remove some of it? It takes so long to load each time.

I think I should try to install OSR2 with FAT32. I have avoided FAT32 because I wanted to be able to read my disks anywhere. But it seems to be less problems with FAT32 so...

I have a OSR2 CD. I must now make a boot floppy with CD driver on it. Can I erase and reformat my hard disks then? From OSR2 CD?
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by:hiho
ID: 1712003
hiho,
You can do that with you OSR2 CD.
Make you boot floppy by going to Windows Setup in Control Panel.  There you insert the OSR2 CD when it asks, and it will create the floppy with the new system files.
You're right about the length of this question, but there's nothing you can do about reducing its size.
Let me know if you need a step-by-step proceedure for installing OSR2 from scratch, as it won't upgrade over an earlier system.
Regards,
Ralph

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ID: 1712004
rmarotta:
My CD doesn´t work in W95 as it is right now. Am I missing something? I want to install OSR2 from scratch, nil, zip, zero!
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by:hiho
ID: 1712005
RESCUE: Bootable floppy disk that will read your CDROM.
                                  Sometimes your system is unbootable.
Create a bootable floppy disk that will read your CDROM.
1. Insert a good blank disk.
2. Select Start/Settings/Control Panel, double-click on the
Add/Remove Programs icon. Click on the Startup Disk tab then
click on Create Disk. When Win95 is done, make the disk
read-only, label it and test it to be sure you can boot your
computer from it.
3. Then, You must create an Autoexec.bat that reads:
A:\MSCDEX.EXE /D:MTMIDE01 /M:15 /E and copy the
mscdex.exe on your disk. The MTM part is mine for Mitsumi, you
have to substitute your CD parameters.
4. The following is a simple AUTOEXEC.BAT File
A:\MSCDEX.EXE /D:MTMIDE01 /M:15 /E

5. You must create a Config.sys that reads:
DEVICE=A:\HIMEM.SYS
DEVICE=A:\EMM386.EXE
DEVICE=A:\MTMCDAI.SYS /D:MTMIDE0 [Substitute your
CD parameters here.]
DOS=HIGH,UMB
FILES=30
BUFFERS=30
6. The following is My CONFIG.SYS File. Note that I'm using my
Mitsumi CD-ROM Parameters.

DEVICE=A:\HIMEM.SYS
DEVICE=A:\EMM386.EXE
DEVICE=A:\MTMCDAI.SYS (Your CDROM Driver goes here)

7. The following are the Files I have on my disk.
[(MTMCDIA.SYS), [MSCDEX.EXE], [HIMEM.SYS],
[EMM386.EXE], EDIT.COM, FORMAT.COM,
REGEDIT.EXE, FDISK.EXE, SYS.COM, XCOPY.EXE,
DELTREE.EXE, ATTRIB.EXE, DISKCOPY.EXE,
CHKDSK.EXE, DEBUG.EXE, SCANDISK.EXE, (Your CD-ROM Driver)
To be extra safe, make two boot disks.

Bud.
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ID: 1712006
Then all you need is a device driver for Dos to see the CDROM drive, and you're ready to go!
Ralph

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by:rmarotta
ID: 1712007
Bud,
There's a problem with that as he just said, he can't see the CD in Windows to make the startup floppy.
Also, you only need one statement in autoexec.bat & two in config.sys to do it.
Ralph

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by:rmarotta
ID: 1712008
This thread is getting so long because it has turned into three separate questions.  I guess you get what you pay for (500 points).

The problem with your second hard drive loosing its partitions doesn't necessarily mean that you need to completely reinstall (although it may be a good idea).  You could Fdisk, and format the second drive.  This would take care of any unstable partition information on that drive.

The CD-ROM problem can be fixed without a complete reinstall.  But trying to follow through everything and get the correct advice is getting tough with this long thread.

Maybe the thing to do is to recall this question, and repost it as two (splitting the points).  One for the hard disk partitions (which is already answered), and one for the CD-ROM.
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by:smeebud
ID: 1712010
I like jason's Idea about deleting your second partitions.

Although I think it's time to start completely virgin.

Bud
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by:smeebud
ID: 1712011
Hiho,

Guys, aren't you forgetting something very important.. Hiho must fdisk his HD in order to use FAT32!! I suggest completely deleting all partitions with fdisk and recreating them and than a fresh format with /C to check for potential bad clusters will make it perfectly clean.

Hiho, write down all your network settings, backup all important files (perhaps start menu?) dialup scripts etc.. ) make sure you have all drivers you need to reinstall windows (you have SCSI too as much as I can see..)

Ask for instructions for fdisk if you're not sure how to perform this!
Damir
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ID: 1712012
Partitioning a Hard Disk using FDISK

The FDISK program is used to configure your hard disk. For example, if you
want to configure a new hard disk or re-configure an old one, you must use FDISK.

Using FDISK

If you have already set up DOS, you can run the FDISK program from your hard disk.
If you have not yet set up MS-DOS, you can run the FDISK program from your startup disk.

If you want to repartition your hard disk the points below should be followed.

1. Delete any non-MS-DOS partitions.
2. Delete the logical drives in the extended
MS-DOS partition, if there are any.
3. Delete the extended MS-DOS partition, if there is one.
4. Delete the primary MS-DOS partition.

To configure a new drive or re-configure an old drive the points below should be followed.

1. Create a new primary MS-DOS partition.
2. Create an active partition.
3. Create an extended partition and logical drives, if you want any.

Caution: If you use FDISK to partition a hard disk, all the files on your original
partitions will be deleted. Be sure to back up all data files on a partition before you use FDISK.

To start FDISK

1.Type fdisk at the command prompt.

The FDISK Options screen appears:

MS-DOS Version 6

Fixed Disk Setup Program
 

FDISK OPTIONS

Current fixed disk drive: 1

Choose one of the following:

1. Create DOS partition or Logical DOS Drive
2. Set active partitions
3. Delete any partition or Logical DOS Drive
4. Display partition information

Enter choice: [1]

Press ESC to exit FDISK

Your machine should be restarted or will restart automatically itself to
allow the HARD Disk partitions to be recognised.

NOTE: You will need a Startup or Boot diskette in drive A as your hard disk
has not yet been formatted or had any operating system installed. When your
machine has booted up to the prompt, formatting the hard drive can begin.

FORMATTING A HARD DISK.

Even after a hard disk has been configured with fdisk you cannot use the hard
disk until you format it.

To format the drive(s) on your hard disk

1. Make sure your startup disk is in drive A.
2. At the command prompt, type the following:
3. format drive: eg. format c: /s /u
4. A warning message appears.
5. To proceed with formatting, press Y, and then press ENTER.
6. When formatting is complete, type a volume label if you want one,
    and then press ENTER.
7. Remove floppy disks from all floppy disk drives, and then restart your
   computer by pressing CTRL+ALT+DEL.



                               BEWARE OF WINDOWS 95 (DOS 7) FDISK

Possible Data Loss with LBA and INT13 Extensions [FDISK /X]
Get Update Patch at URL below;
http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/q148/8/21.asp

http://www.stiller.com/Win95D.htm
(updated June 3, 1997)

We've had reports from Integrity Master customers that their newly
purchased (and partitioned with Windows 95 FDISK) disks are unreliable.
(Note, these problems are not related to Win95 OSR2 (service release 2
which supports FAT32.) This was particularly troubling because these disks
were brand new and shouldn't be having problems--yet Integrity Master was
detecting file corruption on these disk.

Initially these problems looked exactly like hard disk failure or in some
cases like memory or motherboard problems. The symptoms included system
hangs and occasional inability to boot.

Some users found cross-linked clusters and used Scandisk, Norton Disk
Doctor or other utilities to "fix" there disks. After doing this, the users
were in a "fix"--there was now massive damage to the files on their disks.

The problem stems from a bug in the way the Windows 95 (actually MS-DOS 7)
handles extended partitions created by the Windows 95 FDISK program for
large disks (with more than 504 megabytes). Bugs in the Windows 95 (MS-DOS
7) hard disk drivers can cause data corruption in this situation. If you
are running an integrity checker it will report corrupted files and
possibly directories.

If you suspect this problem, please do NOT run Scandisk or one of the disk
fixup utilities since this can make the situation much worse.

ARE YOU AT RISK?

You are vulnerable to this problem if you meet all the following criteria:

   * You are running Windows 95 and
   * You have an IDE hard disk with more 504 million bytes using LBA. (LBA
     is the address translation support that allows the BIOS on these PCs
     to support more than 504mb.)
   * The hard disk has more than one logical partition created by the
     Windows 95 FDISK program.

Microsoft reports that data damage may result when you exit the Windows 95
graphic user interface to the MS-DOS command line without rebooting the PC.

If you suspect you have this problem be very careful since it can result in
loss of all data in your extended partitions. An integrity checker such as
Integrity Master should be able to spot any data corruption before it gets
serious. (Microsoft documents this problem in their PSS ID Number:
Q148821).

SOLUTIONS TO THE PROBLEM

If you use the /X parameter on FDISK (i.e., "FDISK /X" )when you partition
your hard disk under Windows 95 (or DOS 7), FDISK will user the older style
extended partitions and you (according to Microsoft) will not be exposed to
this problem. Reports from our customers seem to support the contention
that this gets around the problem. Note, that if you already have
partitions created with Windows 95's FDISK, you can recreate them with
"FDISK /X" but you will need to reload all data into these partitions from
a backup. Make absolutely sure you have a good backup (or preferably two!)
before attempting this.

Microsoft is working on the problem and has posted "fixes" on their web
site. (See technet document Q148821 and file DSKSUPD.EXE).

Bud
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ID: 1712013
Bud, you have posted a looong message to this already long thread. Also it does not apply to hiho in it's larger part.. I'll need a faster modem to be able to keep track with this discussion..

1. FDISK with OSR2 is a bit different from standard fdisk..you should have said something about FAT32 support by new FDISK and also
2. Your warning for DOS 7.0 disk and data loss does not apply to OSR2 (the version hiho said he'll install..) So fix, warning etc. part was not necessary..

Damir
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by:dpavusin
ID: 1712014
I posted this, I'll do it again.



      Hiho.
      You can do this.
      post another question and call it, "D AND E LOST>>PART 2"
      Make it for no points or free. in the question just reference
      http://www.experts-exchange.com/Q.10051235

      This thread is taking to much time to load.

      Bud
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ID: 1712015
I agree with Bud!! Hiho it would be just about time to do this unless you want to beat (my) record for the longest thread on EE. Well... it is possible that you already did - your post is now over 200K long..

Damir
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ID: 1712016
Is that why my system hangs everytime I come to this pa
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ID: 1712017
ge.

System hung. had to come back and finish.

Bud
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ID: 1712018
I checked.. this thread is now longer than my (famous) WINS thread... over 220K...

Well hiho please open new thread. You have a new set of problems now too..

Damir
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ID: 1712019
I have just made a PART #2 of this question! See you all there!
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by:hiho
ID: 1712020
Hiho,

Boot.zip file I send you contains all files necessary for fdisk / format /  CD install Windows.. it is W95 OSR2 build 1112. You can even use it in the future as boot disk because it has all the most important tools on it: nc, scandisk, format, sys, fdisk, mscdex and CD drivers and many more.

I have included universal CD driver that should work with most CD drives (this is MS driver from windows95 startup disk!) I think this drivers should work with your CD drive too. If not, please copy your cd driver file to a:\teac and change the mscdex line in autoexec.bat to look like

\DOS\MSCDEX.EXE /D:MSCD001 /M:10

and

config.sys

DEVICEHIGH=\TEAC\MTMCDAE.SYS /D:MSCD001

you'll notice that autoexec.bat & config.sys use menus..you'll have to change all lines with \DOS\MSCDEX.EXE /D:CD001 /M:10 in autoexec.bat and all lines with DEVICEHIGH=\TEAC\****CD**.SYS /D:**CD001 in config.sys.

However I'm very sure universal drivers will work, so you won't have to change anything.

Please format one 1.44 MB floppy (make sure it is not damaged) and unzip boot.zip file to it..
IMPORTANT: Be sure to use pkunzip -d switch (this will restore/create Directory structure stored in .ZIP file)

It must look like this: (after unzipping to a:):

\  (root)
\TEAC
\DOS

You'll probably have to change your BIOS settings for boot and set boot sequence so  computer first tries to boot from floppy and than from HD. Also, before formatting your HD, make sure boot disk works fine.
When you boot from this disk it will show you boot menu. I have set it to auto select menu item that loads dos and cd drivers - nothing else. You can use other menu items to load clean dos only. or mouse and CD drivers etc..

I suggest to load CD drivers only.

IMPORTANT: If possible backup all your data! (DAT's, CD-R, tape..)
IMPORTANT: Please write down your current network settings before you fdisk/format your HD and enter them when windows setup asks you to set up networ settings/components.
IMPORTANT: Make sure you have drivers for all extra/special devices you have (SCSI, network card, audio card, video card, modem, printer etc..)
IMPORTANT: backup all important files: autoexec.bat, config.sys, system.ini, win.ini. Backup your email inbox, outbox, trash, saved items, extra ttf fonts, document templates, bookmark file, etc..
IMPORTANT: Write down all your dial up network settings (settings from your dial up connections - so you can setup dial up connections after reinstall) backup all dial up scripts you might have created. Write down all important passwords (dial up password (ISP) etc.. Write down your email program settings (SMPT and POP3 server names!)
IMPORTANT: Save all your custom made desktop themes or appearance schemes.
IMPORTANT: Write down all important system settings.
It might be good idea to open control panel/system/devices and print device list (there's print option in the bottom of display) That way you'll know what devices you had installed and how were they set.

After you're sure everything works, say goodbye to your HD and start fdisk (do you know how to use fdisk?!).
IMPORTANT: When fdisk asks you to use large disk support (FAT 32) - answer yes. Delete all your partitions and recreate new ones. I wouldn't split my HD in partitions if I were you. There is no need for that anymore; FAT32 keeps small cluster size even on a large HD's so you don't have to split your HD in many small partitions (are you familiar with the situation where both of your partitions have small amount of free space and you need to install one program that cannot fit on eather one.. yeap..better keep them in one part..)


Create new partition(s) and make it (or, one of them) active (this one will be boot partition!!).
Now, you must exit fdisk and restart computer. When restarted, format your new partition(s).
After format is done go to d:\ (or whatever your CD-DRIVE letter is) and start setup
(just type "setup" at CD prompt and press enter).

Follow setup instructions. Be carefull to choose correct country and language preferences. Also, if you have written your network settings you can add/remove network protocols and configure them (it is best to do it at windows setup!!)
You'll have to add TCP/IP protocol (it is not installed by default) and configure DNS entries for it. If you do not use netware you can remove client for netware networks, you can also remove NetBEUI and IPX protocol if you're not using them. You can decide to add file and printer sharing for MS networks too.
Complete setup procedure and restart. You might have to restart twice before you can use windows normally (CD will probably not work first time you restart windows - this is "normal" - windows bug..)

When you get your windows working properly reinstall all necessary drivers (video card, audio, modem, network card, SCSI, printers, etc... also you might want to search for new versions of all drivers on the internet (look at www.conitech.com/windows - there are links to all (98%) drivers you need)

You might want to install BUS mastering and PIIX drivers too.. Please download latest version from www.intel.com)

You'll have to install DirectX drivers too (download latest v.5.2 from www.microsoft.com). You can download and install dial up upgrade v 1.2 too.

Install all applications you need!

I hope I have covered all important issues regarding this problem. Please ask me if you need advice or have any problems.
It might be good idea to print this email (make a hardcopy) and use it as setup instructions.

Yeah... good luck, please send me email when you reinstall windows and setup DialUp networking again..

Regards,

Damir

P.S. I'll propose this as answer too. I already helped you recover hard disk and If this reinstall solves CD problem I hope you'll accept my answer.
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by:dpavusin
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Hi Hiho, what happened? You stopped the discussion and now you rejected my answer. Is there something wrong?

Damir
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If you boot to DOS and Win 95 and STILL can't see the drive, You overwrote the Win95A version over the Win95B version. If that's the case, you don't have to do anything. Get a B version boot disk and stick it in the drive and you should be able to see it, thus allowing you to see the drives. Otherwise try this: Open your machine. Change the partitianed drive and make it the master single only. Unplug your previous master drive from the controller and do the same for the CD Rom drive. Make a DOS boot disk and Windows 95 Boot disk. Also, If you have a DOS boot disk, does it see the partitian? I am thinking that you may have installed Win95A version over Win95B version. That's why you cannot see the drives.
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dpavusin:

No, nothings wrong. I want to distribute the points among you all, but I haven´t had time to do it yet. I have had a helluva week here...
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by:hiho
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You couldn't have possibly tried it that quickly ......
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vinman:

Read it all, and you see that the question have been answered in part two...
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Hi Holo,
Whats this doing open again?

Bud
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by:smeebud
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hiho
Reject the answer to this question.  After you do that I can post an answer for you to grade so the question will be moved to the PAQ.  You have already posted questions to award the experts who helped you resolve the problem.

Linda Gardner
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Hi Hiho, I get a problem similar, with the Support for large drives in Win95, when you partitioning your Hard Drive, then windows ask if you want Support for large Drives y/n, if you answer yes, then can't see the partitions of another drives.

Make a Backup of your hard Disk, erase the partitions and run again Fdisk, on the boot hard drive, when ask for the Support for large drives say not, then you can see your drives again, and you can Backup them.

And if you wish the support for large drives, you must, run fdisk again and activate this on all drives.

Good Luck.
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by:osi
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Osi, can't you read the discussion before posting your answer? This answer is already answered and points were given. We're waiting for Linda from customer support to send answer so this question can be saved in PAQ..

Please read the discusion before you post your answer in future.

Damir


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I'm posting this as an answer so the question can be saved in the previously asked questions.  This is the first of two questions.  Discussion is continued at:
http://www.experts-exchange.com/Q.10052747

Linda Gardner
Customer Service @ Experts Exchange
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hay i noticed in above that when you typed fdisk it showed a drive letter for your c drive and not one for your d/e
try this make a bootable floppy with fdisk and format and mscdex.exe
boot from it and type fdisk, see if it shows more drive letters when you hit 5 and enter,,,,,,,win 95 has to start here and it also sounds like you are missing a driver for your cd-rom drive but not critical........please e-mail mee w/results of above........
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by:generaloo7
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sorry kinda jumped the gun on previous comment,,,,,,,,did not read all of above,,,,,,,,have you cleaned your cd-rom lateley???????
congrats and later
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