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I had a  a new hard drive installed on my computer. The old HD was left as the master C and the new one was partitioned as D, E, & F. Now my computer boots VERY slowly. When I try to run the restore disk, to return the computer to it's original factory settings, I get this message: "No hard disk DOS partition found. Please partition and format your hard drive before you run this utility".
I have an AST  Pentium 133 and just installed a Win98 upgrade. When I tried to do a new install of Win98 (as opposed to an upgrade from Win95) I got the same message. How can I fix this?
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by:rbr
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Do you mean with the original factory settings your BIOS settings. If so you have reset your HD settings in your BIOS and your PC isn`t longer able to read your HD. IDE drives can be adressed in differenet ways from your BIOS but the must always be adressed in the same way. In the worst case you have destroyed your data on the HD and you have to repartitionate your HD. If you have luck try auto-detect HD and try to boot with differnt adress methods LBA, CHS, Large. This settings are found in your BIOS. Which BIOS do you have?
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by:furby3
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When you restore the hard disk you insert a floppy and boot up. Then it prompts you for a CD. I never get the prompt; I get the "no hard disk found..." message instead. The BIOS is American Megatrends Extended ATI Tech BIOS--date 2/16/96. The new drive is a Maxtor  enhanced IDE interface 4.3 GB DiamondMax. How do you reset your HD settings and how do you auto-detect HD and boot with different address methods LBA, CHS, Large?
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by:rbr
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You have an AMI Bios. First enter the BIOS by pressing the del - KEY while turning on your PC. In the BIOS settings there should be a menu item autodetect HD. Use this. In the Standard CMOS setup you should be able to change the mode of your HDs.
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by:furby3
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I held down the delete key  and see a menu that says MAIN ADVANCED SECURITY & EXIT. Under main, both my old hard drive and new one say "Auto Configured" The origianal HD is the primary IDE Master, the new HD is the Secondary IDE master.  I don't know how to get to the BIOS settings. Under MAIN it says BIOS version 1.00.08.BQOQ but I can't select this.

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by:rmarotta
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If hard drives are auto-configured in BIOS, try this:

1) Insert your boot floppy in the drive and power up the computer.
2) When BIOS messages and memory count is complete, press CTRL C to cancel running autoexec.bat file.
3) From the A:\ prompt type the DIR command and press enter.

Is the FDISK.EXE file listed?

If so, type FDISK and choose option to view your partition information.
Let me know how it goes.
Regards,
Ralph

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by:furby3
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FDISK was listed. When i typed it I got this:
Your computer has a disk larger than 512 mb. This version of Windows incldes support for large disks...
If you enable large disk support and create any new drives on this disk, you will not be able to acccess the new drives using other OS's including some versions of Win 95 as well as earlier versions of Windows and MS-DOS. In addition, disk utilities that were not designed explicity for the FAT32 file system will not be able to work with this disk. If you need to access this disk with other operating systems or older disk utilities, do not enable large drive support.
Do you wish to enable large disk support? Y/N?
What shoud I do? My original operating system was Win95 OS-1,  which I added a service pack to.
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by:rmarotta
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furby3,
Did you upgrade to FAT32 after the Win98 install?

If so, what I think has happened is that your disk used for restoring the original system cannot recognize the FAT32 partition.
It uses the earlier version system files, so in order to restore your original files again, it will be necessary to FDISK the drive using FAT16.  Just select NO to the question: "Do you wish to enable large disk support?"

It is important to reboot the computer after running FDISK.

Your installation floppy should do its job now, and get your aystem back.  Let me know if I am incorrect on this, or if you need more help.
Ralph

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by:rmarotta
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furby3,
If you'd rather not restore the old files, I can show you how to do the Win98 installation anyway.
You will need a copy of the dos device driver for your CDROM if it is not an IDE device.
Regards,
Ralph

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by:furby3
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I selected NO to the question and rebooted with the Hard Disk restore. I got the same message as before. I have successfully installed Win98. As with Win 95, my new drive works and I can move files between my old C and the new D,E, & F parts. The problem is there is a lot of garbage built up on my C drive that I would like to clean up. That's why i want to be able to run the Hard Disk restore. A friend of mine installed the new drive for me. He had a lot of problems and it took hours, unfortunately he is not available to help fix it now. I remember he was asking for the CD Driver, but we were unable to find it, finally he got things to work somehow.
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by:rmarotta
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If I understand this correctly, you have Win98 FAT16 installed and operating now.
Since the restore disk program that does the installation of the original system is not seeing the hard drive, it is apparently corrupt somehow.
If it is a .BAT file, can you post it here?
Perhaps we can find a way to do what you want.
Ralph

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by:furby3
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I have Win 98 but I'm not sure if it's FAT 16. I did a "typical" install. How do I know if the restore disk is a .BAT file and how would I post it? I looked at the disk in Exploring and there were lots of files but none had a .BAT extension. Sorry, I don't know more about how to do this stuff.
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by:furby3
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by:furby3
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I found this information at the AST computer site:
 On several Advantage! systems, the single IDE controller on the system board already supports a maximum of two IDE devices, the primary hard drive and the CD-ROM drive. If your system has one controller, you need to purchase an Enhanced IDE (EIDE) controller to add a second hard drive.

On some older Advantage! systems, the BIOS does not support Logical Block Addressing (LBA). LBA allows the system to utilize the full capacity of a hard drive
larger than 1024 cylinders (approximately 528MB). If you cannot "flash" the system'sBIOS(updatethe BIOS with software), then you may want to consider an EIDE controller card that utilizes a "smart" BIOS.
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by:furby3
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I installed the new hard drive installation utility to see if I could partition the C drive .I got a message: "Partitioning of drive 1 failed because creation of the boot record failed.
Then I got this message: "The boot record system type on drive 1 does not match the partition table system type. Processing will continue using the partition table system type: B. I was afraid to continue, so I left it be.

 I repartitioned the new drive into one drive which is now D.

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by:furby3
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I entered setup and this is what I found: The old drive is listed as the Primary IDE Master. It is a Western Digital 1.2G drive (WDC AC1200F) Now the new drive is shown as not installed although it shows up in "My Computer" and I can store and retrive files on it.  What I really wanted was my new drive to be the master and the old one to be the slave. Is that possible?
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by:furby3
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I looked all through the user's manual for the computer and found nothing about jumper settings for the HD. Same with the documentation for the new HD. I also went to the AST website and looked at my system specs. Nothing on HD jumper settings. I have set jumpers when installing modem, will this be the same, (assuming I can find this information somewhere).
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by:rmarotta
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Go here for jumper settings for the old (WD) drive.  Info on the new one is probably listed at this site also:

http://www.blue-planet.com/tech/wd.html

Let me know how it goes.
Ralph

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by:furby3
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Thanks for the info Ralph.  I found the jumper settings. When I do this will I loose all of my data from both drives? I assume I can leave the drives where they are installed and just change the jumpers. What about the cables?
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by:rmarotta
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furby3,
1) You won't lose any data by configuring the drive jumpers correctly.
2) You can leave the drives anywhere the cables reach.
3) The colored stripe on the edge of the data cables should be oriented towards pin-1 on each drives data connector, as well as at the controller.

Now, I'm curious.
When you first asked your question, you had both drives partitioned and running.  That means they were both installed and configured.
What changed that?
Why are we configuring the drive jumpers now?
They can't change by themselves, and they can't slow your system down!
Ralph

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by:furby3
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When I tried to run the restore disk it wouldn't work and still doesn't (see original question). Also, the old smaller drive is the master and the new larger one is the slave. I would like to reverse that. I reinstalled the new drive software and the machine boots normally now. In My Computer my drives are: Floppy:A; the old HD is: Volume_1(C:) file system FAT; and the new drive is Disk3 part 02(D:) file system FAT 32 and my CD is G. Since the new drive is FAT 32, what will happen when I run the restore disk and it first installs Win95 OS-1 which doesn not support FAT32. I have the Win98 upgrade to install but there has to be an older OS to upgrade. Correct?
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by:rmarotta
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furby3,
I think the simplest way for you to do this will be to remove the new drive.
Then, format the old drive and run your restore program to put the computer back as it was originally.
When that's complete, and you have everthing you want from the CD installed, you can proceed with Win98.
Ralph

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by:furby3
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I disconnected the new drive and attempted to run the restore. I got the same message as before: "No hard disk DOS partition found. Please partition and format your hard drive before you run this utility". Can I just format my old C drive in DOS and then reinstall Win95 from the Windows95 companion CD that came with my PC? This is not the same as the restore CD which contains Win95 and all software programs that came with my computer. Then I could reload just the programs I want instead of all the shovelware that came with my new PC.
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by:furby3
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I was finally able to restore the disk. I used the Win 98 start up disk and got a message that the HD was not partitioned and did I want to partition it. I did, and was able to run the restore CD which loaded all the shovelware back on my system. I got a message that it was successfully restored. However, when I reboot the EZ-BIOS that came with my new drive starts initializing.   I get a message: "Type the name of the Command Interpreter (e.g. C:\Windows\command.com)
A>

What ever I type always returns me to the same messsage. I can never get rid of the A>
and I'm unable to start Windows.
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by:furby3
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I was finally able to restore the disk. I used the Win 98 start up disk and got a message that the HD was not partitioned and did I want to partition it. I did, and was able to run the restore CD which loaded all the shovelware back on my system. I got a message that it was successfully restored. However, when I reboot the EZ-BIOS that came with my new drive starts initializing.   I get a message: "Type the name of the Command Interpreter (e.g. C:\Windows\command.com)
A>

What ever I type always returns me to the same messsage. I can never get rid of the A>
and I'm unable to start Windows.
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by:furby3
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Finally figured it out after much trail and error. Had to get rid of EZ-BIOS. My system is working and is lean and mean and clean. Thanks to everyone who offered advice.
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