Ixmicro (2) and 9600/350

Ive recently acquired an 9600/350 which comes with an 8 meg ixmicro twin turbo card. In addition to that i added an  ixmicro ultimate rez card and an xclaim vr card from my previous computer. Hovever...with the ultimate rez in, the computer SOMETIMES boots and sometimes doesnt. Black screen, not even out of energy saving mode, not booting etc. sometimes it works if i leave the computer off for a few minutes but a restart is death for it. Whats the deal? do ixmicro cards not work well together? do 9600s not like the ultimate rez? ive tried all sorts of combos and the only one that seems to work is loosing the ultimate rez. I WANT MY 3 MONITORS WORKING AGAIN!!!
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TheHubConnect With a Mentor Commented:
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You foolishly rejected this correct answer earlier, so I will re-submit:
I have sent a telepathic message to your machine. It is fixed now.
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jkjungCommented:
You may not be able to have both the TwinTurbo and Ultimate Rez cards together.  The TwinTurbo is a 2D graphics card, and the Ultimate Rez is a 2D/3D graphics card.

However, you should try the following to try to eliminate any software problems.  First, remove all but the TwinTurbo video card.  Then, download the latest drivers from IXMICRO's site (http://www.ixmicro.com) for both of their cards.  Do the same for the VR card from ATI's site (http://support.atitech.ca/drivers/drivers.html).  Move to a separate folder all traces of the card's extensions, control panels, and preferences.  (Make sure that you have NO OTHER PROBLEMS at this point.  If you do, solve those, first.)

Now, zap your PRAM.  Restart you Mac one more time.  Install the drivers for the TwinTurbo card.

Shut down your Mac, and install the XClaim VR card.  Boot your Mac, and install its driver.

Shut down your Mac, and remove the TwinTurbo card.  Install the Ultimate Rez card.  Boot your Mac, and install its driver.

Shut down your Mac, and reinstall the TwinTurbo card.

If this doesn't solve the problem, I don't know what will.  I hope this helps.

--MikroData (jkjung)
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weedAuthor Commented:
hehe im WAY ahead of ya already. Ive got the new drivers and no go. Ive tried all sorts of combinations and nothin. I used to work as an apple tech so ive tried all the usual tricks. Ive even reset the logic board and the cuda. nothin...
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jkjungCommented:
I'm sorry to hear that.  Do the Ultimate Rez and VR card work together?

Also, can you please clarify about the three monitors?...Do you have three different monitors hooked up to each of the three cards and each at a different setting or something?

--MikroData (jkjung)
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weedAuthor Commented:
yeah in my power center pro i had two ATI's and the ultimate rez card all working. and yes there was a monitor plugged into each card all at diff resolutions.
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jkjungCommented:
What OS version are you using?  I may have a possible solution.  I'm just curious to know how much memory you have.

--MikroData (jkjung)
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weedAuthor Commented:
running 8.1 with 192 megs of ram..
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jkjungCommented:
Do you get the same problem with 256K colors?  If not, then it's an extension conflict.

According to Apple documentation, you, apparently, have a conflict with QuickDraw 3D and the drivers that ATI installed.  Try disabling the "Graphics Accelerator" extension, and see if that helps.

--MikroData (jkjung)
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weedAuthor Commented:
the startup process doesnt even get to the smiling mac so i doubt its extensions. I get the same problem with extensions off and with a clean minimum system. Its hardware....
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jkjungCommented:
Zapping the PRAM after you removed the extension and its affiliated preferences didn't do it?  Even though you boot with extensions off, PRAM, among other things, still load.  (Same with a clean minimum system.  What do you mean by that, anywayz?)  Also, if you don't remove the preferences, certain ones get loaded back into PRAM after the next restart.

I hope this helps.

--MikroData (jkjung)
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weedAuthor Commented:
i went WAY beyond PRAM...i reset the logic board and the cuda. which is basically a big PRAM reset. then i started off a clean minimum system meaning nothing but the bare essentials (system, finder, etc). still no go.
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jkjungCommented:
Bummer...I'm fresh out of ideas.

By the way, I didn't know that you had already tried zapping PRAM and troubleshooting extensions, because you didn't mention it before.  I know that you said you worked as an Apple Tech, but that didn't tell me much, just that you did all you could and were stumped.

I'll let you know if I have any more ideas.

--MikroData (jkjung)
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TheHubCommented:
You're hosed...:)

Its driver voodoo. Your machine is mixing up the instructions meant for each vid card from their drivers/accellerators.

Remove all the video drivers and all but one card. If it fails to boot, remove that card and put in the next one, etc. You are attempting to discover which card(s) do(es) not need a driver to run so you can NOT include them in your system.

When you figure out what you don't need and have turned on what you do, play musical slots (put the vid card in slot A in slot B, the card in slot D in slot B, etc.) until you find the sweet spot (or jump off a bridge in frustration 'cause it don't exist).

If that doesn't work...you're hosed...there are no other options.

-good luck weed man
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weedAuthor Commented:
heh actually....i just tried it again in one last futile attempt before i sent it back to IX (5 year warranty) and whaddaya know...it worked...i have no clue what was wrong because i didnt change a thing between when i last tried and this final attempt. ah well...maybe my 9600 has a sick sense of humor.
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TheHubCommented:
Macs do have "Personality." But, as you pointed out, the problem is intermittant and, therefore, may return tomorrow.
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jkjungCommented:
...it heard you say that you were going to return it...

--MikroData (jkjung)
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weedAuthor Commented:
TheHub...yes..intermittent as far as immediate..one restart it works then it doesnt then it does etc...its been goin for a few days now with no hitches.
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clambakeCommented:
It sounds like you had overloaded the 9600's ability to provide power to the pci bus.  check the bus and card ratings to verify. same booting problems used to happen to nubus machines with heavily populated slots.  Those video cards with all that ram have to draw like crazy to stay afloat.

put those cards all onto the same bus again and stick your other cards in and maybe you can see it break some more.
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weedAuthor Commented:
maybe you missed my last few posts...it works now and as long as it works im not gonna complain.
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TheHubCommented:
pretty hard to overload a six slot machine with 3 slots filled.
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weedAuthor Commented:
not to mention a power supply that could power a small city
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TheHubCommented:
its bullit proof
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jkjungCommented:
I know you said it's working now, but I'm wondering...Do you have Adobe Type Reunion installed?

--MikroData (jkjung)
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weedAuthor Commented:
nope...just ATM
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jkjungCommented:
The next time you have the problem, try temporarily disabling ATM to see if it will resolve the problem.  (Yes, I know you mentioned that you don't think it's an extension conflict, but I just want to see what happens.)

I hope this helps.

--MikroData (jkjung)

P.S.  What version is it?
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TheHubCommented:
I have sent a telepathic message to your machine. It is fixed now.
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weedAuthor Commented:
wow...hehe...if only it was that easy.
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TheHubCommented:
really. swear. its all better now. trust me...:)
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jkjungCommented:
Comment to TheHub:
  You only wished you could get those points...hehehe...Are you sure that your messaging system is not routed through Microsoft servers?
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Brains080398Commented:
I'm curious. Which card is in which slot?

I do remember reading something a while back (on a Power Computing related site, actually) which seems to point to a wierd Apple-only glitch in how the processor talks to the PCI bus as two separate halves; three slots in one, three slots in the other.

My guess is that the different cards' drivers clash with some strange code pertaining to page boundaries in low-level RAM and such like ...

Merely idle speculation, but I think that this is where the problem lies. A card which'd work fine in, say, slot 1, locks the machine if the card is in, say, slot 6.


Brains
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weedAuthor Commented:
geez...i dunno anymore. theyre all scattered around in there
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jkjungCommented:
Is it really fair to have such a "Proposed Answer" (7/23/98) autograded?  Please unlock the question.  In true honesty, yes, I would have done the same, if I would have gotten 800 (or more) smackaroos for a problem I didn't solve.

--MikroData (jkjung)  =)
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weedAuthor Commented:
ahh right...hehe...i spose its kinda moot now that it works
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TheHubCommented:
Pay up.
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jkjungCommented:
Comment to weed:
  To be honest, I would like the points (and apparently, TheHub does too).  Should any of us be hoping for them, since your problem is "solved"?

--MikroData (jkjung)
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weedAuthor Commented:
hehe i think not especially since neither of you fixed it......unless TheHub really IS psychic.....?
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