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I have a Soundblaster AWE 64. Recently I found out some of my older games don't want to play sounds anymore. For example space Ace and Dragon's Lair won't give a beep.
With many old Sierra games, I select Soundblaster as the music device, but when the games load, I get a 'Music device not found' error.

Is the AWE64 not true backwards Soundblaster compatible?

I tried to boot my previous Os (DOS 6.22) and installed the low level drivers (for DOS and Win 3.11) but still no success!

Can anyone help me?
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by:mlaiosa
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I use an AWE 64 Value (the one most people have, there is also the gold, which has a better wavetabe and gold plated RCA output jacks)
I assume you use windows 95 or 98

usually, the driver installation will place appropiate commands in your DOSSTART.BAT file so that you DOS programs will work if you choose to 'Restart in MS-DOS mode'  Try doing that and see if you DOS games work.

go to:  Start - Settings - Control Pannel - System - Device Maneger - Sound,Video and game controlers - Creative AWE64 16-bit audio - Resources
Uncheck 'use automatic resources' and choose Basic Configuration 0000
This should set the Interrupt Request (IRQ) to 5, Direct Memory Access (DMA) to 1 and 5 and Input/Output ranges (I/O Port) to 220, 330, 388

This should allow your DOS games to work.   For music, choose general MIDI and port 330.


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by:ryans
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"Is the AWE64 not true backwards Soundblaster compatible?"
YES.

For most DOS games, they need the "environment" settings to receive the sound card settings from you autoexec.bat file.

example:
set blaster=A220 D1 I5 H5 P330 T6

Look in you book or go to www.creaf.com for the exact definition/values for your setup.

Also, make sure that you don't have an IRQ or I/O address conflict.
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by:carrey
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The Blaster settings are ok. I tried it also on my father's PC, who also has a AWE64. I think I need a kind of program who downgrades the AWE or something.
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by:ryans
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If you tried it on another computer and it worked, what makes you think you need to downgrade the soundcard if both cards are the same?

Do the games work on the other computer?
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by:carrey
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My father also has an AWE64 in his computer, and the games don't work there also! I can't think of anything else.
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by:mlaiosa
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The sound card does not need downgrading.
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by:Hippy
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It is backward compatible.

When the Plug n Play Versions of the soundblaster 16 and 32 first came out, it was impossible to get them working in DOS without the "Intel Plug n Play Configuration Manager" that shipped with them for a time. Then Intel must have gotton upset because it stopped shipping, after this Creative released a version just for their cards, the "Creative Plug n Play Configuration Manager" and all was fine again. I guess the AWE 64 doesn't install it, but it may well be still on the install disk.

These programs let you sellect what settings the card uses under DOS, they are not the environment setting but must mach it for all to work.

Have a look here, third download from the bottom of the page, it should fix it all for you.
http://www.soundblaster.com/wwwnew/tech/ftp/ftpnew.html


By the way, all's that's required in a dosbox under win95 is the BLASTER environment setting etc. You only use the Config Manager from read DOS/WIN3.11

Have Fun.

Hippy.
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by:carrey
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Sorry, but that don't help too...

I found something out with old Sierra Games (like Larry I, King's Quest 4, 5, and 6. I run the install program and choose the Soundblaster. Then when I start the game in MS-DOS mode, the computer crashes. When I run the game in a Win98 dos box, the program crashes also, and I return to Windows.
But, when I select the Adlib driver or the Roland MT32 driver in the Install program, the program works perfectly.

To me this seems so weird!!!!

Can this extra info give someone an idea?
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by:mlaiosa
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It sounds like an IRQ/PORT/DMA configuration problem.  What are the recources used by your sound card?  (start - settings - control pannel - system - device maneger - sound game and multimedia - recources)
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by:ddmorgan
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Boot into DOS and reinstall your sound card into DOS so that it is in config.sys and autoexec.bat.
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by:carrey
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No, that doesn't work either. I've installed the basic SB16 drivers during DOS 6.22. Another problem is that Space Ace doesn't use a setup program. It detect the soundcard on its own!
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by:pityr
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I have the same problems but it is not with just old games, it does it with carmaggeddon also.  I have the SB AWE64 value.  The install ptogram from the disk installed the Creative PnP config manager and added the correct commands in to my autoexec.bat.  I have added these commands to the Dosstart.bat and tried to play but it also failed to play any sound.  The only dos games I get sound from are descent 1 and 2.  
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by:MAVERICK
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Did you check the DOS drivers for the sound card... not all games have inbuilt drivers... and load the PnP utillity for the soundcard necessary...

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by:esr0k
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I have Three SB64s and only one works with DOS games. (Two of one version and One of another.) The one that works with DOS games has more chips on it. (I got it from a friend however and don't know the model. Although the numbers on it are Identical.) The other card with less chips won't initialize when the game starts. I think this is because it's the value card and was only made to run under windows. I haven't found a fix yet, and don't think there is due to the missing chips.

That's all I got to say about that.
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by:esr0k
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I have Three SB64s and only one works with DOS games. (Two of one version and One of another.) The one that works with DOS games has more chips on it. (I got it from a friend however and don't know the model. Although the numbers on it are Identical.) The other card with less chips won't initialize when the game starts. I think this is because it's the value card and was only made to run under windows. I haven't found a fix yet, and don't think there is due to the missing chips.

That's all I got to say about that.
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by:mlaiosa
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I have an AWE64 Value.  Works fine with DOS games.  The difference between the AWE64 value and AWE64 gold is that the gold has a better hardware wavetable.  Without the software wavetable dirvers loaded, it will only use FM synthisys
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by:esr0k
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So, on that note, how would we obtain the "Software Wavetable Drivers"?

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by:mlaiosa
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They are in the DOS driver set.  The DOS drivers will not install if you have win95/98, you need to find a DOS machene to install them on and then copy the files and config.sys/autoexec.bat entrys.

Note:  The "Software Wavetable Drives" *are not* nessessary to use the AWE64 under DOS.  The other DOS drivers are nessesary.

carrey:  please post a copy of the folowing files to help us diagnose your problem:
c:\autoexec.bat
c:\config.sys
c:\windows\dosstart.bat
c:\msdos.sys
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by:Jez
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I did this to get Sydicate to play sound once...

c:\synd\synd.com @>blaster I=5 D=1 etc etc
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by:mlaiosa
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do you have quake 1?   It is VERY good at getting you sound card to work.

and how `bout those autoexec.bat/config.sys/msdos.sys/dosstart.bat files?  Id like to ake a look at them. . .  .
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by:Mindbender
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The digital playback technology on an AWE64 is essentially the same as a SB16 except it has 20bit sound, I believe. My friend also has a AWE64 Value which runs all DOS games I have seen him run (descent fan, likes carmageddon and has played USNF since he had it). He runs W98. I think it is more a configuration problem. Your best bet is to make a dual boot menu (despite so many people saying you cannot, it is possible with Win98 as it was Win95). If you can't EMail me and I'll show you. Otherwise hit F8 on startup and then choose 'command prompt only'. Install DOS drivers. It shouldn't go to Windows. This is how my friend has done it. Good luck.
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by:ronaldvr
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Everybody forgot to ask, so: Do you have the PCI version of that card? If so there are some older DOS programs that will not works, since they look at the ISA bus directly.... Some mainboards have a solution for this some not.
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