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i had win98 put on my computer as the OS...only to find it costantly crash,have errors,etc... and i want to go back to win95 would it be best to Uninstall Win98 or format my entire hard drive??
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Go ahead and use uninstall if it works.  I'll elaborate below.
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This answer is long and I didn't want to type it all in just to find out that someone else did too.


1. Uninstall: this will work fine if you have changed things so much that it won't let you.  Windows 98 uninstall will check this for you.

2. Reformat: reformatting is very likely to benifit you even if you were to reinstall windows 98.  It cleans up a lot of junk like registry entries and DLLs that can cause problems.

My suggestion:  Reinstall windows 98 after a clean format of your hard drive. Part of the problem with unreliability can be due to the old 95 installation.  Windows 98 has many troubleshooting tools, slightly more performance, and a lot more flexibility that windows 95.

Just in case you don't know already......
If you just don't like windows 95, and want to go back to 95  or if you want to try another install of windows 98, do a clean install.  That is, don't install over an old version of windows or DOS.  With an upgrade disk, you will be asked during the install where your previous version of Windows is.  Just put the floppy or CD-ROM for the earlier version in the drive and tell setup where to look.  You don't have to actually install the previous version.

If you have any other questions, just ask.

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This seems to be my day for typos.  Too many interruptions:

Errata:

1. Uninstall: this will work fine if you have changed things so much that it won't let
     you.  Windows 98 uninstall will check this for you.

should say

1. Uninstall: this will work fine if you have *not* changed things so much that it won't let
     you.  Windows 98 uninstall will check this for you.
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I have to agree with rosefire here...

Really, the best way to step backwards in an OS installation to a previous version is to format and re-install.  I myself tend to give my hard drive a good format once every three months or so.

An unfortunate result of using a Microsoft operating system seems to be that hard drives and registries tend to get clogged up with junk.  The best way, especially if you have a backup strategy in place, is to wipe everything and reinstall.

Put it this way, however: try the uninstall process and, if it doesn't work to your liking, you still have the option of formatting anyway.  If you format first and discover that somehow it wasn't that bad, you can't really undo it!
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it was a good answer it did shed some light in dark areas but i don't want Windows 98 at all... i believe it to be the cause of some major problems i've been having with other software quitting back to the desktop for no reason... plus the constant crashes errors and what not are driving me insane i've never encountered so many errors as I did in Windows 95 and i choose to go back to windows 95... i don't think i had it on there in the first place i had windows 3.11 for workgroups then upgraded the bugs in windows 98 may they be none existant on other systems exist on mine and i've had enough could you please include more info as to the best way to install windows 95 i'd really like to avoid a formatting due to my lack of knowledge as to what do i save, what do i do afterwards. any additional info would be very appreciated
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sorry i just had to...let out a few things... what i reallly want to know is what all would i need as well as need to do to reformat and re-install correctly?

(this is more straight-forward is it not? =] )
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First, I suggest you try the uninstall.  If it gets you back to a perfectly satisfactory system, why not?

If you really want directions on how to format and reinstall that wil be a long post.  It would help a lot if I/we knew how much detail you need.  Novice level nitty-gritty details, or just a list of steps summarizing what needs to be done.

If you can get back to what you like with uninstall, I advise against the reformat since it is possible you will reinstall windows and face the same unreliability problems you had with 98. Windows 98 is a cleaner install and has fewer problems that 95.  Reinstalling 95 may be worse than reinstalling 98.  I don't want to scare you, but if uninstall works to get you where you started from, well.... lets put it this way.  If it works, don't fix it.

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Ohhh!  I just now noticed that you said you installed window 3.1. then windows 95, then windows 98.  I am not surprised you had trouble with this.  That is about as "dirty" an install you can get.

Let me know what you would like to try.

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Yuck!  I just noticed the Win3.x thing too...

I'd definitely reformat and install just Win95.  If your Win95 is an upgrade edition, you don't have to worry about having Win3.x on there to do it.

Simply get a bootable version of DOS that loads your CD ROM drivers (if required) and run the setup for the Win95 upgrade.  When it asks you about qualifying for the upgrade, you can ask it to read the first diskette of your Win3.x installation set.  that way, you can still get a clean version of Win95 running.
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well... i chose format... jeez this is like aa html based chat... anyways to my knowledge... Win3.x was the only version of windows i had (but i could be wrong) i have a generic computer and my dad built it so i'm not sure whats all on it besides Win98 and at one time win 3.x i believe i even got dos on there too... korvan thats a good idea but my dad has the win 3.x disks SOMEWHERE... but where thats the question =]
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additional info: i  have the a Windows 95 cd its not the upgrade plus just something fer you to chew on and give me your thoughts on a couple of my games (Heretic 2, Starcraft) will "quit" while its still running i don't know if thet are crashing or quitting becaause i hit a wrong button... but thats just something i'd thought i'd throw out there don't worry abot this new question so much
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Did you make a boot disk when you loaded windows 98?  What you need is a boot disk that doesn't refer to or try to use files on your hard drive, and also gives you access to the CD ROM.  The windows 98 boot disk does this very well, windows 95 boot disks often don't.

1. Read step 2 then complete this step when you are sure you have the disk you need for that step THEN proceed with this step.  Boot your system from your windows 95 (not the windows 98)  boot disk or a DOS floppy disk with the file "format.com" on it.  The disk must have the dos or windows 95 file "format.com" to do the reformat.  Don't use the window 98 version, it might format you for FAT32.  After you are sure you don't want anything that is on your hard drive "C"  run the program forma.com by typing " FORMAT C:" at the command prompt.

2.  Use the windows 98 boot disk and restart  the computer with this disk in drive A.  It has everything on it you will need to run setup including the appropriate CD-ROM support.  That is why you want to use this disk for this step.  This won't install windows 98, you just want to use the disk.

3.  Insert the 95 CD in the cd ROM drive.
4. When you have the command prompt type the drive letter of the CD-ROM drive "D:' for example.
5. type the word "setup"
6. Follow the instructions give by windows setup.

Hope this does it. If you get stuck come back for more  instructions.

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I have to go x-mas shopping.  I will be back later. This may go smoothly. If not, talk to you later.

Since you installed 98, it is not that different. The only difference really is the format step.

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well heh when yous gets back i don't have a Windows 98 boot disk how would i go abou doing that??
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oh yeah... i need a  step by step on what to do when formatting such as before and after what need to be saved or copied to disk etc.
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OK, you can quickly make a boot disk using the windows 98 CD by running the install until you  reach the point where you make the disk, then quit the install.  If you make one by hand, it should look like this:

Autoexec.bat:

      MSCDEX /D:MSCD001

Config.sys:

      DEVICE=HIMEM.SYS
      DEVICE=a:\<your CD ROM driver>.sys  /D:MSCD001

These CD-ROM driver and the following files should be copied from window 95 directroy C:\window\command to the boot disk.
himem.sys
format.com

from windows 95 type "sys a:"

rename your old windows directory c:\windows to c:\windows.old then test the floppy just made.  This is done to  be certain that you can access your CD-ROM drive when you boot from the floppy.

To format and install:

1. Boot from the floppy made above,
2. Type "format c:"
3. Put the CD-ROM into the drive,
4. Go to the drive with the CD in it (assuming it iis d:\  this is done my typing "D:").
5. type "Setup"
6. Follow the instructions Microsoft gives you and take all the suggested choices.

If you have any questions, let me know.

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One more file I missed you will need on the floppy.

MSCDEX.EXE

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ok thanks i'll print this up and have a whack at it later today its kinda early to be hacking the bejesus out of my computer with me groggy and such
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No problem.  I'll check back here from time to time to see if all is going well.

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this is whats in my autoexec.bat
@ECHO OFF
set EXPAND=YES
SET DIRCMD=/O:N
set LglDrv=27 * 26 Z 25 Y 24 X 23 W 22 V 21 U 20 T 19 S 18 R 17 Q 16 P 15
set LglDrv=%LglDrv% O 14 N 13 M 12 L 11 K 10 J 9 I 8 H 7 G 6 F 5 E 4 D 3 C
cls
call setramd.bat %LglDrv%
set temp=c:\
set tmp=c:\
path=%RAMD%:\;a:\;%CDROM%:\
copy command.com %RAMD%:\ > NUL
set comspec=%RAMD%:\command.com
copy extract.exe %RAMD%:\ > NUL
copy readme.txt %RAMD%:\ > NUL

:ERROR
IF EXIST ebd.cab GOTO EXT
echo Please insert Windows 98 Startup Disk 2
echo.
pause
GOTO ERROR

:EXT
%RAMD%:\extract /y /e /l %RAMD%: ebd.cab > NUL
echo The diagnostic tools were successfully loaded to drive %RAMD%.
echo.

IF "%config%"=="NOCD" GOTO QUIT
IF "%config%"=="HELP" GOTO HELP
LH %ramd%:\MSCDEX.EXE /D:mscd001 /L:%CDROM%
echo.
GOTO QUIT

:HELP
cls
call help.bat
echo Your computer will now restart and the startup menu will appear.
echo.
echo.
echo.
echo.
echo.
echo.
echo.
echo.
echo.
echo.
restart.com
GOTO QUIT

:QUIT
echo To get help, type HELP and press ENTER.
echo.
rem clean up environment variables
set CDROM=
set LglDrv=
 is that whats supposed to be in there??
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and heres a list of the files the start  up disk contains
Aspi2dos.sys
Aspi4dos.sys
Aspi8dos.sys
Aspi8u2.sys
Aspicd.sys
Autoexec
Btcdrom.sys
Btdosm.sys
Command
Config.sys
Drvspace
Ebd.cab
Ebd.sys
Extract
Fdisk
Findramd
Flashpt.sys
Himem.sys
Io.sys
Msdos.sys
Oakcdrom.sys
Ramdrive.sys
Readme
Setramd
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that boot disk, my friend, is the windows 98 boot disk.  It has all the files needed to boot the system without the need for anything on the hard drive.  It creates a ram disk and puts diagnostic tools in it.  You should be able to install your windows 95 just fine after booting from this disk.

1. Boot from that disk choosing  the options for CD-ROM support
2. Install your windows 95 CD
3. Type "d:" (assuming d: is the cd-rom otherwise use the cd rom's letter).
4. Type "setup"

Setup should start and install just fine. It won't care that you started from the windows 98 boot disk and won't install anything from that disk.  It will, however, make certain you are using a compatible CD-ROM driver unless your CD-ROM is very old.

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so would I format my drive first or would i boot from my boot disk then format?? oh and would i need to partition my hard drive??
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If you want to format your disk first, do like I said before, except, again, use the program format.com from  the windows 95 CD.   If you can't find a copy of format.com from windows 95 use the windows 98 format.com.  Type format /? for insructions on how to format for FAT, not FAT32.  Really formatting is trivial, but it destroys everything on the hard drive.

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i know yer problebly getting sick of me and my questions... but would i use the command format /s from the win95 cd?? plus i saw nothing about formatting FAT or FAT32
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another thing *ugh* it won't boot from my floppy when i have the disk in would i need to label the disk some way to make it recognize it??
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try making the win 95 boot disk with the files I described earlier.  The win 98 boot disk must be corrupted.  Format /s from the boot CD is fine too.

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ok
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this is whats happening the disk works but my computer will not even read the disk at start up should I format the hard drive with the format /s and then reboot? because it should have the files it needs to boot properly right?? if not would i be able to transfer the files from my boot disk that i made to my haard drive after formatting?
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If  you can access the CD-ROM drive it can speed things up and eliminate some problems if you copy the entire Windows 95 CD to your hard drive.  When you do the install from the hard drive you go to the drive and run setup. This is not necessary, however.

Only some versions of windows 95 allow fat32.  If you see the option for it while installing window 95, go ahead and use it. If not, don't worry about it.

After you have done format /s the system files will be on the hard drive, but it doesn't create the config.sys and autoexec.bat files to make it possible to access your CD-ROM.  I suggest you make the floppy boot disk as  I suggested using windows 95 files and *prove* that it will boot and that you access your CD-ROM.

You want to be absolutly certain that you can access the CD-ROM after a floppy boot because once you format the drive, all your files wll be gone, including the cd-rom drivers that you know used to work.

I have to go shopping.  I have no problem helping you with this as long as it takes.  That is why I am here. I like helping people with their sytems.   But the problem with the experts here is that we are not always available. :-(

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well i have no way of knowing if it will boot from the floppy it will look at the drive but won't look at the disk on start up shouuld i look at my bios setup??
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Oh, just in case it was not clear. If you copy the CD to the hard drive do it after you format. It will just get erased otherwise.

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ok i got it to look for bootable disks finally so... now just format restart and go from there?? with what you said?... well if something ggoes terribly wrong... i'll be screwed =}
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Your BIOS setup should be fine if it was before you installed windows 98. I am confused about which disk you can't  access. Except......

Ahhhh,  is your problem that it boots from the hard disk before it looks for a floppy to  boot from? If that is the case then you probably can just change the BIOS to change it so it looks for a floppy drive first.  Then you can also use the windows 98 boot disk you showed me earlier.

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well it finds the disk now I believe i can acces the cd-rom with it too so... i'd format first restart and then use the boot disk and take it from there??
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Yep, that is the procedure.

Good luck.  I got to go now.

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I think I am going to suggest that the set up a chat option with this board so that when people start working on things interactively, they can chat just like in netmeeting or ICQ.

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ok bye, tanks, and merry christmas
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now i'm getting errors while tthe setup program is running... Kernal386,setup.dll,and then it just crashed back to the dos prompt saying something about an MS DOS extender error or something
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never mind the errors anymore... heres my problem... Win95 won't recognize my HD now... plus i think i might need to rewrite my autoexec.bat so in dos it sees the cd-rom jeezus i'm a piece of work ain't I?
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i fixed it... well tanks fer yer help merry christmas thats all i need for now
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