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Is IRIX UNIX, or not?

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We have 2 SGI Indigos. I have built 1 Linux PC system. My UNIX know-how is embryonic. My company wants to do E-commerce. Our SGI seems to be missing everything; no C++ compiler, no Perl, no TCL. Rip! What's best? Dump SGI for SUN? ( OR are they just as proprietary?) Consider DEC w/GNU?
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SGI supports C++, Perl, TCL, and RIP packets on theit Indigo machines.
You can also get them yourself from places like GNU, (although RMS has a controversial paper on "Why you should not use Tcl")
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> Is IRIX UNIX, or not?
Yes, it is a flavior of UNIX.

> no C++ compiler, no Perl, no TCL.
as ozo said, these packets, except C++, are shipped with IRIX. They reside on a
own CD (don't know the name, Tools probably)
C++ needs a license, so you have to by one (or use GNU's g++).

ozo,
could you please shed light on "Why you should not use Tcl", give me some links or whatever please.
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thanks ozo,
would  be fair to refer to
 http://www.icemcfd.com/tcl/comparison.html#art3
where you get closer to the fact that it is outdated (3 years), and some replies to it  too.
After reading this "flamewar" you may look at http://www.scriptics.com
:-)
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sure.
I was specifically trying to address the question of GNU suport of Tcl,
and not trying to pass judgement on the controvery,
(which is interesting, but which should probaly be discusses in a separate question)
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I will search our Irix distributions for tools. However, with GNU compiler open architecture, and our SGI machines aging, why pay the heavy bucks for custom fitted compilers for each machine? Have not been happy with SGI support over years. Irix compilers subtract from development budget for no good reason, delay project start hassling with machine IDs (SGI has had us confused with an L.A. house for years and has never gotten their act together) Want open architecture for maximum flexibility and control, but found I could not install any GNU on Indigo- not even emacs. SGI great for Flint digital compositing, but worries me as best e-commerce server solution. Any Solaris users out there? How do you feel about your machines? Now, I run like wind to university extension to get more UNIX training- UNIX water deep, project huge, knees trembling, but I forge ahead bravely!
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> why pay the heavy bucks for custom fitted compilers for each machine?
'cause some companies whant to earn some money too, anyhow

> but found I could not install any GNU on Indigo
what's the problem.
AFAIK you even get precompiled binaries at http://ftp.gnu.org.

> Any Solaris users out there?
Shure, but keep in mind that Sun has unbundled the development kit (even compilers) too.
Just, if you're lucky and have a older Solaris you get a poor bsd-style cc (even good enough to make a gcc :-)

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SGI has earned plenty of money from us- over $150K. Two years later, software houses no longer support machine and expect us to buy more when old machines haven't earned keep yet. Thats what's problem. Detect distinct tilt toward SGI in responses. Want impartiality; NOT like congress. Am informed can not install GNU without SGI IDE, not just because no C++, but because no support files which part of IDE; make competitive solutions useless. This preditory. Looking for better solution. System administrators with cost effective solutions, please respond.

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switch over to Linux or FreeBSD, quickly ... :-)
see also:
   http://www.linux.org
   http://www.linuxhq.org
   http://www.linux.sgi.com
   http://www.freebsd.de
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Have built a Pentium system with Red Hat to evaluate. Fear this is insufficient solution for large scale network company is planning. Talking with Sun and IBM about Netfinity servers. We do not have enough time to resolve the myriad hardware and software problems, and lean toward commercial near term. But, Linux intriguing. Had I been told we were going to do this a year ago, I would have got myself educated beyond UNIX user level long ago and pursued open architecture. Hindsight 20-20, eh? This is scary decision! Anyone out there currently using Sun Enterprise or IBM Netfinity machines?
Wish I had more time to decide, but nobdy gets more time, these days, for anything...Thanks to all for your responses. Greatly appreciate your help.
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Much calmer, now. Have built LINUX box and am watching activity of LINUX->SGI group. Hope to retro these Indigos with LINUX OS so they can be useful, again.
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