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How can I redirect stderr to /dev/null, and keep stdout going to stdout? Something like:
(foo > stdout) >& /dev/null
But that doesn't work, obviously. Easy in bash, but I can't figure it out in tcsh.
thanks,
trails
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by:mliberi
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"bash -c 'foo 2>/dev/null'" isn't acceptable?
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by:trails
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Yeah, it's okay, I guess I would just like to know if it's possible in tcsh. But I don't think it is. You can redirect to /dev/tty, but that's a hack that doesn't work very well at all.
Thanks for the comment,
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proposing the same as an answer:

"bash -c 'foo 2>/dev/null'"
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by:ahoffmann
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it can be done in tcsh too, without using bash
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by:trails
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I'm sorry, I'm going to have to reject that answer on principle. First: I already knew how to do it in bash, as I stated in my original question. Second: someone says it's possible, so if there's an answer, that deserves the points.
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(your_command >`tty`)>&/dev/null

This is the only case where redirecting in csh/tcsh is more cumbersome than in other shells, but it's well documented too.
Keep in mind that csh/tcsh was made for interactive usage, where an errorenous command's output usually is useless, while the error message is important (and not vice versa as you prefer in your situation ;-)
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by:mliberi
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the proposed answer redirects output to /dev/tty, so stdout doesn't keep going to stdout (as the question stated).
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by:ahoffmann
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mliberi, what do think is the difference between stdout and /dev/tty (in this special case)?
BTW, it does not redirect to /dev/tty, more correctly to the shells tty; see man tty
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by:mliberi
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There is a big difference between tty and stdout.

Suppose your command has been placed in a script, let's say 'xxx'

By calling the script with the syntax "xxx >myfile" I would expect that the output of the script to be written to "myfile". With the command you gave the output would be placed on the screen.

from "tty" man page:
>  tty Command

>  Purpose

>  Writes to standard output the full path name of your terminal.

Do you still think that stdout and `tty` to be the same thing?
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by:ahoffmann
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well I agree for the special case: script-file :-)
(you remember my comment: this special case?)

If you would do in a csh script, you would probably  to do it like:

   (your_command > tmp_file)>&/dev/null
  cat tmp_file

As I, said in my answer: redirecting stdout without stderr is not implemented in
csh/tcsh.
So trails no knows how to do it interactiv and in a script ;-)
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