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I have a mac performa 631CD and I am in the bronx (NY) and my friend lives in staten island.we are in the same area code and would like to share files via dialup networking. I thought we should use Microsoft's dialup networking, or the dialup software on my Mac, and turn on file sharing, The problem is that Im not sure if this will work, how will files show up on her computer? can she even connect to my mac on her PC running windows 95? will she connect to the computer or will my phone ring? (phone connected to modem.)
if anyone can help id greatly appreciate it
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by:CRAZY
ID: 1581981
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by:CRAZY
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by:rickyr
ID: 1581983
Hi.....
To connect a  mac and PC via the phoneline..........
Timbuktu on each machine, this will  let you share files and control each others computers remotely. I know of no other way to do this on the phoneline.

Probably the best  option is........
Dave:-
Remote Access Because DAVE uses the Internet protocol TCP/IP, you can use DAVE over the Internet from home or on the road to connect and share with your Macintosh or PC at the office. Telecommuting is made much easier with DAVE on your Macintosh.
http://www.thursby.com/DAVE2/psheet/

other cheaper ways to transfer files are.......
Zmodem on the mac and Hyperterminal on the PC.
Email them.
Put an FTP freeware server on your mac - FTP from the PC.
Put an FTP freeware server on the PC- FTP from the Mac.
And connect thru the Internet.
What one do you want details on?
Even then you will have the usual data for resource fork problems, these
are non existant on PC's and an un-encoded file cant survive intact on a PC disk, in
other words you will have type and creator problems. These can be gotten around though, do you need to know how to do this also. You see sometimes answers only lead to more questions.
Fill us in.
regards

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by:rickyr
ID: 1581984
woops!  I said the first bit then remebered about good old Dave. sorry.
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by:CRAZY
ID: 1581985
Dave sounded like a good idea till I got to the configurations part. I still am not sure how Dave is suppose to work. I have it installed on my mac and Ive configured the NetBIOS panel. Im not too sure what to do from there. Ive tried letting her use the Windows Dial up networking client to access my computer but so far all it does is ring and ring and ring. Ive used the Zterm client on my computer to see if it will allow her computer to communicate with mine, but all that happens is it informs my that there is a ring... and when I try to recieve, XModem, YModem, or ZModem, I get the "too many errors" message and subsequently, there is no connection.

There is no way I can put linux or unix on this machine I dont have the space. DAVE is not freeware, and I dont wanna spend the cash on it just for this simple connection project.

I am also trying to connect with a minimum amount of downloading and configuring on her part, thus I need the easiest way for her to access files on my computer without having to first log onto the internet.

All I really want is for her computer to dial directly to mine and have file sharing begin.

That is the easiest way I can put it.

--Thanks for the answer. Hope you can help some more.

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by:rickyr
ID: 1581986
Hi.........

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There is no FREE way of networking a PC and a Mac via the phoneline.
If you have Dave already then there shouldn't be much more expense.
What version of Dave are you running? 2.1 is the latest.....
It looks like you need RAS (Remote Access Services) running at the PC end,
and that only runs with NT. You may well be stuffed with this option anyway.

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According to
http://macworld.zdnet.com
"The Best Choice"
"The simplest option is the $139 Timbuktu Pro 4.0, from Netopia (formerly known as Farallon Communications; www.netopia.com). This software lets you remotely control a Mac or a Windows PC from another workstation. What's particularly useful about this is that the system being controlled does not have to be the same platform as the one controlling it, so you can run Windows programs in a Mac  window or vice versa. Timbuktu also provides file exchange and basic messaging (such as chat)."

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The way zterm and Hyperterminal works is......
You launch Zterm and wait, make sure your modem is set to answer.
When your friends Hyperterminal dials, your computer should then answer.
You will be able to type to each other in the window.
Once the connection is established, then, you can get your friend to send.
Or you can send and a popup will appear in your friends Hyperterminal window asking what to do with the file.
But if your modem is not answering, then it is not set to answer. I don't have zterm in front of me now, but there is an option somewhere in there to answer.
maybe your modem software handles the answering?
What modem have you got?

Well....Those are the 3 posible answers that I know of.
What one would like to go further with?

regards
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by:rickyr
ID: 1581987
Hi.........

1./
There is no FREE way of networking a PC and a Mac via the phoneline.
If you have Dave already then there shouldn't be much more expense.
What version of Dave are you running? 2.1 is the latest.....
It looks like you need RAS (Remote Access Services) running at the PC end,
and that only runs with NT. You may well be stuffed with this option anyway.

2./
According to
http://macworld.zdnet.com
"The Best Choice"
"The simplest option is the $139 Timbuktu Pro 4.0, from Netopia (formerly known as Farallon Communications; www.netopia.com). This software lets you remotely control a Mac or a Windows PC from another workstation. What's particularly useful about this is that the system being controlled does not have to be the same platform as the one controlling it, so you can run Windows programs in a Mac  window or vice versa. Timbuktu also provides file exchange and basic messaging (such as chat)."

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The way zterm and Hyperterminal works is......
You launch Zterm and wait, make sure your modem is set to answer.
When your friends Hyperterminal dials, your computer should then answer.
You will be able to type to each other in the window.
Once the connection is established, then, you can get your friend to send.
Or you can send and a popup will appear in your friends Hyperterminal window asking what to do with the file.
But if your modem is not answering, then it is not set to answer. I don't have zterm in front of me now, but there is an option somewhere in there to answer.
maybe your modem software handles the answering?
What modem have you got?

Well....Those are the 3 posible answers that I know of.
What one would like to go further with?

regards
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by:CtRl
ID: 1581988
Hi...

Despite what people say, You can actually network the two for free.

Here are some possibilities. Both require the computers to connected to the internet:

1. There is a piece of software called VNC (virtual network computng). It allows you to control another computer from say your Mac. You do need to know the IP adress so your friend would have to e-mail it to you (if you are dialing up, if you are on something like DSL you will still have to do the same kind of thing, except if you have a Static IP). It is made by a research lab called ORL...www.uk.research.att.com/vnc

2. The second is Microsoft used to make some software called Personal Web Server that was free. In it was a free FTP server. It used to come with IE 4 (some versions) but I don't know if it si still around.

I hope these help,

CtRl.
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by:rickyr
ID: 1581989
"without having to first log onto the internet."
was stipulated!
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by:CtRl
ID: 1581990
I'm afraid that that is the only real way to do it without something like hyperterminal.

CtRl.
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by:rickyr
ID: 1581991
Still doesn't justify an answer. It was not what was requested. The comment I gave is the best way to network
without the internet.
How can it be the only real way to do it? Did you read my comments?
CRAZY said that he doesn't want to use the Internet.
If you are suggesting an alternative then a comment would suffice.
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by:CtRl
ID: 1581992
I was suggesting the best way possible....only trying to help.
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by:CRAZY
ID: 1581993
I agree with rickyr, logging onto the internet was stipulated. In fact the hyperterminal, zterm idea is exactly what I am looking for. Getting this idea to work is the only problem.

rickyr stated, "The way zterm and Hyperterminal works is...... You launch Zterm and wait, make sure your modem is set to answer. When your friends Hyperterminal dials, your computer should then answer. You will be able to type to each other in the window. Once the connection is established, then, you can get your friend to send. Or you can send and a popup will appear in your friends Hyperterminal window asking what to do with the file. But if your modem is not answering, then it is not set to answer. I don't have zterm in front of me now, but there is an option somewhere in there to answer.  maybe your modem software handles the answering? What modem have you got? "

The modem type is Global Fax Village Gold II (I may be slightly off). The comment you made about getting it to answer rung a bell. Unfortunately, I have not found anything that will set the modem to "answer". The only thing in Zterm that I could fine was recieve x,y or z modem in the file menu on the menu bar. It seems to start recieving files, or making a connection, then there is the too many error thing. If there is a way to set my modem to answer other than this I'd like to know. The modem control panel isnt installed but all that does is resets and allows me to check for errors. I can sign onto both AOL and my ISP with no problems, so in that sense I think the modem is recieving just fine.
The way I see it the modem sends instructions to the AOL server, then the server responds by sending instructions and data back to the modem, in which case it would be "answering" just fine. On the other hand, when Hyperterminal is set to dial my number, it dials, and on my end I hear the phone ringing and Zterm shows the message "ring".  

To summarize this whole thing, Zterm detects a ring, but the modem doesnt respond. In an attempt to recieve signals sent by Hyperterm from the other computer, I try to recieve X,Y or Z modem files which result in the message "too many errors".
I have also tried using the program Terminal 1.1, which similarly detects a ring, and when trying to recieve x, Y, or Z modem, picks up an error.

I hope this narrows down the problem. Unless there is an alternative software application(s), that makes DUN easier to establish between macs and PCs.
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by:rickyr
ID: 1581994
Hi....
When you launch zterm, you will see a menu appear, between the misc and help menu. Have a look, you will see an option to auto answer, or you can implicitly select answer.
I hope you have the Teleport control panel installed.
Do not try to send or recieve until you can atleast type to each other, like that Whoopi Goldberg film. Lets take it a step at a time, get back when you've got it to answer.
regards
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by:CRAZY
ID: 1581995
Hey it worked, I had to reinstall some of the Software and control panel options for the modem, but the AutoAnswer worked, and the two computers can successfully communicate, and transfer files, however, I am not so sure about how Hyperterminal recieves messages, at first I could only see messages sent to me, and not what I type. But I messed with the terminal settings and I can see what she types and what i type (local echo on). But from her end.. She cant see what she types, and for some reason , my return button results in a carriage return and not a line feed, also the backspace doesnt seem to show up from her end.  But other than that it works.  If you want the points for this question post an answer comment. Thanks
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rickyr earned 80 total points
ID: 1581996
Hi CRAZY.
I'm glad you sorted it out. The things like cr and lf (carriage return and linefeed)
echoing, what the backspace key does (destructive non destructive),
are all set domewhere in the preferences, (maybe terminal preferences).
If you need any ore help withthis, just ask here.
regards

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