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please everybode take a look at the last comment added to the following question:
http://www.experts-exchange.com/jsp/qShow.jsp?ta=mfc&qid=10183630 

if you think this is wrong, please do something.
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by:naveenkohli
ID: 1201427
shay,
that kind of comment is totally unacceptable. but believe me, nobody is going to do anything about it. if this comment came from anybody else, he/she would have been denied access to EE...
i feel for you buddy...

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by:Shay050799
ID: 1201428
who is this guy ? what do u mean if someone else ?
who is he ?
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by:nil_dib
ID: 1201429
>>what do u mean if someone else ?
mmmhh,
agree with Shay ....
every expert should be treated in the same manner, independent of the number of qustions he answerd or the number of points he has ...
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by:naveenkohli
ID: 1201430
nil..
we respect viktor's knowledge and the help he has been to all the people who ask questions.. but that kind of comment .. thats a NO NO..

Shay lets forget about it and move on..

Peace :)
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by:nil_dib
ID: 1201431
no prob ;)
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by:Oliv
ID: 1201432
Even if I agree with you for these kind of comments, I think they just are directly result of "EE system point" ?

Some people don't care about points and just make comments which are great answers...
Some other people just care about expensive question and hurry to answer to get "****ing points"...
Yes ****ING points, because :
If you're a beginner to this site then you'll have to wait for a long time to have enough points to ask for a question !
And you know, same question for 10 or 500 points won't produce same effect on the frequency of answers you can get...don't you agree ? If it's important for me and I need a quick effective answer don't you think I have to spent my points even if it looks like a question for dummies ?

When you are used to ask questions or make comments and take a look at discussions, you are used to know what kind of people are great and real experts...so do you think the fact they have (or not) a top ranking is important ?
Is there anybody who hasn't already thought something like : "oh, someone has already posted an answer, don't care to help him/her because s/he's sure to get points" ? as opposed to continue help him/her by adding some comments even if it's not directly an answer but could be interesting to be discussed about ?

So in order not to have these "last comments", no answer any more, just comments...and you'll see it should be more desinterested, more friendly and I don't think there would be less people answering (or just "sharks" will go away...)
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by:Shay050799
ID: 1201433
dear Oliv !
i totaly agree with you.
but what with this, and with the way he gave me a comment ?
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by:Oliv
ID: 1201434
the way he gave you a comment wouldn't have to be if you didn't have to give him points and rate his/her answer ? No ?
 
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by:Oliv
ID: 1201435
sorry forgot the last sentences

>>if you think this is wrong, please do something.

so that's right : don't ask giving points and don't answer but just comment...
and you'll never get these kind of comments !
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by:Shay050799
ID: 1201436
so u say, that its legitimate to give this kind of comments if you are not satisfied with the rate u got.
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by:Oliv
ID: 1201437
No, but when I was on this site, I wonder there is points to give for answer, points to get in order to ask a question...
we're different, I don't care about points, and if I can, I hurry to give the right answer as a comment just to f... "shark answerer" but some people WANT points and are just looking for them instead of sharing knowings, so they could "skid" in their expression they use...

so don't rise up against him/them, let him/them with his/their poor mentatlity if you think it is...


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by:Shay050799
ID: 1201438
why don't we all just ignore of them, and reject their answer starting with him

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by:Oliv
ID: 1201439
I would propose you this BUT, do you really think you would reject his answer if it's the right one ?

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by:Shay050799
ID: 1201440
this is not the issue.
the D rate is there to use it, so i used it, he has to talk like that ?
next time he'll kill 13 people in atlanta cause his brokereage told him what to do.

its all wrong...
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by:Oliv
ID: 1201441
Ok, so :
Universal boycott ?
Tell EE to close his login, lost his points and ranking just to teach him the way of life ?
Or just forget about it and move on.. as suggested naveenkohli ?



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by:Shay050799
ID: 1201442
i told them !
and u know what they told me ?????

don't rate D, cause people doesn't like it...
i told them not to put D as an option.
nevermind i'll forget about it.
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by:naveenkohli
ID: 1201443
shay,
i told ya that nothing is gonna happen...
its better to forget about it and let the "shark answerers" have fun with points. this D rating has already created a lot of fuss in couple of other questions.

Chees buddy!
Lets Rock
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by:ChefInnocent
ID: 1201444
I'm amazed that anyone would really care about a grade or even the points.  I mean you only need enough points to ask questions you need answered which makes sense.  It's best to let newbies ask a question or two and figure most of it out on thier own until they become experienced enough to ask tougher questions that everyone can gain from.  It also means you have to answer a few to add to this "community," rather than just being a leech.

As per the grade, who looks at a previous grades to determine if thier answer is legitimate?  I don't care you somebody who answered my question had a string of the lowest grades; if my question was answered, then my question was answered.

Personally, I've only answered a few questions and I have a little over a 1000 points.  I'm not in competition with neitod or anyone else, and that is how it should be.  A group of professionals contributing into a community that benifits everyone.

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by:Try
ID: 1201445
Immaturity seen in one of its worst form.

I have gotten a few "D's" myself, even after I had mentioned to the person that if he/she needed more information, to ask further questions, or at other times, if he/she is not satisfied with my answer to reject it and give someone else a chance to answer it.  They'd accept it, but turned around and give me a "D".

To those people who has to resort to giving a low grade in order to express their dissatisfaction, their behavior is their loss.  It is their loss because I don't have to respond to anymore request for help from them, since before answering a question I do quite a bit of research on it, including checking the facts (which can be quite extensive) and running sample tests (where feasible).

It is obvious the individual who prompted "Shay" to post this notice, didn't know how to react properly to some of life's setbacks, and thereby displayed his depth of unacceptable primal conduct.  It is therefore incumbent on the rest of us who have walked that path before and know better, NOT to overreact by seeking his banishment, but to realize that reform and redemptive alternatives exist which would better serve both him and this forum.

It is obvious he has some cleaning up to do, and it is also the case where he has some benefits to offer.  Let him see his mistake and impress on him the unacceptability of those kinds of behavior, but provide an opportunity for him to redeem himself and grow in maturity.
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inthe earned 0 total points
ID: 1201446
good god havent you people got better things to do than discuss what was obviously just a silly mistake.
dont you have bad days??

a "D" grade is for a bad answer right.
so if the answer was that bad why not reject it or ask for better/more help ??

>>if you think this is wrong, please do something.

do what???
if you ignore the experts and do as your comment:
" why don't we all just ignore of them, and reject their answer starting with him"
the only person loosing out will be yourself because then no experts will bother to help you.


>>next time he'll kill 13 people in atlanta cause his brokereage told him what to do.

thats a bit over the top dont you think?


>>and if I can, I hurry to give the right answer as a comment >> just to f... "shark answerer" but some people WANT points and are just looking for them instead  >> of sharing knowings, so they could "skid" in their expression they use...

now were being a bit childish arent we?


anyway im answering cause you need to forget it and i need the points <g>
please can i have a "A"
Regards Inthe
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by:Madshi
ID: 1201447
Sorry, guys, I have to agree with Barry somehow.

Ok, points are not the most important thing - and I *DO* add comments to already answered questions (and Barry does, too). But nevertheless I like getting points and good grades. Call it childish or whatever you like. But it's a good motivation, like a hiscore in games. I *WANT* points, but that doesn't mean automatically, that I would be sharky...
But that doesn't mean, either, that I agree with Viktor's behaviour. (I don't.)

If you are interested about how in MY opinion points&answers&comments should be handled, you might want to look at my suggestion I posted to EE. Unfortunately EE didn't respond...  :-(

http://www.experts-exchange.com/bin/Q.10116667

Regards, Madshi.
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by:kjteng
ID: 1201448
I think the root of the problem comes  from the grading system. No one would like to get a D (for whatever reason) especially after spending a lot of time in trying to help. (Imagine how you feel if you buy your friend lunch and he tell you that "Thank you for buying me lunch. However, with due respect, I have to say that the meal is tasteless and notedible".)

I strongly think EE shouldn't do away with this grading system. If the answer don't solve your problem, you just have to reject it. On the other hand if it solve your problem, it must be a good answer. Simple, isn't it?


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by:pagladasu
ID: 1201449
One should answer questions and give comments to share knowledge. I really don't know how the points matter. When somebody answers any of my questions, I don't care what his/her's expert profile is. As long as the answer is correct, its OK.
The more disturbing thing is the comments made by the expert. I don't think it is fair.
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by:Shay050799
ID: 1201450
now u happy
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by:Shay050799
ID: 1201451
this is an e-mail i got from the manegment

I closed the expert's account yesterday and sent him an email.  I also
sent an email to Mirkwood regarding his response.  I also deleted the
question.  I don't want that type of language posted at a question at
the site.

Thanks for alerting me to the problem.  I also had two notifications on
his from experts who were concerned about the question.

Linda

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by:jkr
ID: 1201452
Thanx, shay, I appreciate this:

http://www.experts-exchange.com/Computers/Programming/Windows/MFC/Q.10192465

Do you think lamenting for being treated abusive one the one hand and being - let's say - 'not so fair' on the other is a good combination?

I'd have preferred to receive 'bad words' rather than this...
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by:inthe
ID: 1201453
now that is interesting...


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by:Madshi
ID: 1201454
Really...   :-)
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by:jkr
ID: 1201455
Yes, it is - from the way shay was complaining, one could think he/she is an 'exemplary' user of this site, but it turns out that he/she is behaving even more insulting than viktornet's abuse...
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by:Shay050799
ID: 1201456
Dear JKR !
i m very epreciate your help, you did help me very much.
but you can't expcet me to be nice to you, if you are writing stuff like that...

i forgot all about viktornet's thanks to you.
but yesterday when u comment my question, u weren't nice at all

sorry
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by:jkr
ID: 1201457
"From: jkr Date: Monday, August 09 1999 - 02:53PM PDT  
 
You can use Winsock:

char acClientHost[255];
WORD wVersionRequested;
WSADATA wsaData;
struct hostent *pHostent = NULL;
 
wVersionRequested = MAKEWORD( 1, 1);

if ( nErr = WSAStartup ( wVersionRequested, &wsaData))
{
  // error initializing winsck...
}

    if  (   dwErr =   gethostname (   ( char *) acClientHost, 255))
        {
            return  (   nWSockRC);
        }

if (!(pHostent = gethostbyname ( acClientHost)))
{
 // an error occured...
}
else
{
 printf ( "IP: %s\n", BinIP2StrIP ( *(( long *)  pHostent->h_addr));
}


char *BinIP2StrIP ( long lnIP)
{
static char s_acStrIP [ 16];

PUCHAR puc = ( unsigned char *) &lnIP;
unsigned int aun [ 4];

for ( int i = 0; i < 4; aun [ i++] = *puc++);

sprintf ( s_acStrIP, "%d.%d.%d.%d", aun [ 0], aun [ 1], aun [ 2], aun [ 3]);

return ( s_acStrIP);
}

BTW: You'll find more useful tips on this topic here:
http://www.codeguru.com/network/index.shtml 

And your question is covered in detail here (no, I didn't just copy it ;-)

http://www.codeguru.com/network/local_hostname.shtml 

But to be honest, I don't understand your Q about the port - is 'getservbyname()' what you're looking for?

(NOTE that I didin't lock the Q, I don't want a 'D' <LOL> ;-) "

What's impolite on this comment???
 

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by:Shay050799
ID: 1201458
dear jkr !!!

you told me to put things away,remmember ? :-)
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by:Madshi
ID: 1201459
Well, Shay,

you need us experts, not the other way round, so you should watch out to be nice to us, otherwise it will be difficult in the future for you to find an expert who is willing to help you...   :-(

BTW, I don't see anything un-nice in jkr's comment, either... A little joke about the D grade, are you THAT tender (is this the right word? English is not my mother language)?

You should really repost the question to award jkr for his help. He has earned his points, hasn't he?
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by:Shay050799
ID: 1201460
dear Madshi !
are u a lwayer or a programmer ?
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by:Madshi
ID: 1201461
Just a good programmer (like jkr), who is willing to help, but only questioners who really appreciate our help (and behave this way).
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by:Shay050799
ID: 1201462
Appreciate it very much !!!
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by:Madshi
ID: 1201463
But you don't behave this way...   :-(
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by:inthe
ID: 1201464
yep ..someone cant take a small joke
         
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by:jkr
ID: 1201465
Shay, you might want to express your appreciation by not treating people like they were idiots... (it's harsh, but that's how I felt)
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by:Shay050799
ID: 1201466
Dear JKR !
you are absolutly right, i just a little upset cause i thought i'd get more support about that guy !

but i think i got the picture here...
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by:Madshi
ID: 1201467
Well, we *DID* all agree, that Vik's behaviour was not ok. Is that nothing?
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by:Shay050799
ID: 1201468
its something, thank u very much.
now lets move on.... ?
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by:Madshi
ID: 1201469
>> now lets move on....

.... and repost that question jkr answered?

Yes!

:-))
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by:Shay050799
ID: 1201470
Dear JKR !
go to the following:
http://www.experts-exchange.com/jsp/qShow.jsp?ta=mfc&qid=10193753 

and i'll give you the points...

and Madshi, i don't see a reason for you to be a lawyer !!!


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by:Madshi
ID: 1201471
Sorry, Shay, we experts hold together...   :-)
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by:Shay050799
ID: 1201472
oh i see what is going on here !
i bet you work for this site, u and JKR, and the guy who sent me the comment, i even do not remmember his name.

but it seems like JKR doesn't give a sh... about this.

if u see him at lunch time, tell him that he can grab his points

shay
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by:Madshi
ID: 1201473
AFAIK neither of us works for this site (except that we're experts) and I've never met any expert yet... And I meant "we hold together" only for the stuff with jkr's deleted question, not for the other guy's behaviour. Well, I think, I've really said enough here. It's fine that you give jkr his well-earned points. So let's stop discussing...
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by:Shay050799
ID: 1201474
have a great weekend Madshi !

and again, i m very very appreciate your help, and u guys do help us alot, thatnks for that.

shay
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by:Madshi
ID: 1201475
Nice weekend for you, too...   :-)
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by:jkr
ID: 1201476
Shay, I don't answer Qs to which I didn't contribute. And besides of that, this would be equally unfair to Zoppo. I thought you learned something :-(
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by:Shay050799
ID: 1201477
i learned but not from him !!!

the comment he gave me, doesn't helped me to solve the problem though.
i don't think he deserve the points! do u ?
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