upper memory problems

I have a dell t500 with 386 megs of SDRAM/running win98/13.9 gig harddrive/32 meg viper ultra video card. After less than 2hrs on the internet and using real player g2/media player/vivo/quicktime to see video files, I contantly run out of upper memory. I have only 2 things in my tray and control alt delete everything i do not need on startup. I still get (out of mem) errors and need to shut down (sometimes using a cold boot because start/shutdown will not work-no memory). I bought a program advertised on zdet net called winram turbo which is suppose to optimize uppermemory due to progams not fully releasing their memeory (memory leaks). winram turbo is not working/helping. Willing to try anything!
ginoooooAsked:
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Patricia Siu-Lai HoCommented:
gin, check following things,
(1) go to start-run, type "msconfig", at the startup Tab, list out any loadings programs, except system tray, LoadPowerProfile, Task Montor, for our study.

    As you're using the RP-G2, unchecked the boxes for RealJukeboxSystray and RealTray.

(2) Go to disable any animated screen saver or use the default window simple flying windows as screen saver.

(3) List your config.sys for study.            pslh
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NenadicCommented:
There is a program called MemTurbo:
http://www.memturbo.com
that you could try.

However, both of those are not real solutions, it should still be figured out what exactly is the problem.
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ginoooooAuthor Commented:
do not use screensaver. msconfig has only sys tray/winram turbo checked. i only have winram turbo/speaker and internet connection icons in my tray. How do you copy config sys to paste here? Config sys on sys config utility will not allow a copy and paste.
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Patricia Siu-Lai HoCommented:
ginooooo, just use notepad to open config.sys and copy and paste it here. << and internet connection icons in my tray>>, are you now being on-line that makes DUN icon in the systray? Otherwise,what is that "internet connection icons".      
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dew_associatesCommented:
Ginooooo, give this a try please!

1. Click Start, Settings, Control Panel, System icon. Now click the Performance Tab, now click the File System button. Change the Typical Role of this computer to Network Server. Restart the system.

Next,

1. Click Start, Programs, Accessories, System Tools, and choose Disk Cleanup. Check all of the boxes and clean out the files.

2. Open Windows Explorer and drive down to \Windows\Temporary Internet Files. Scroll down the cache section and open each cache folder and empty the contents. If you're running IE 5, there will be a separate cache folder there. Empty it as well, including the cookies, but do not remove the actual folders. Close Windows Explorer.

Next,

1. Click Start, Run and type in Sysedit and click OK. This will bring up your basic system boot files.

2. Click on Config.sys to bring it forward. You should be able to copy and paste its contents here for review.

In the meantime, tell us how your system is running after the cleanup. I think the problem is, is that your system and/or Internet Explorer is retaining too many of the history files.

Dennis
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ginoooooAuthor Commented:
I will have to put this question on hold. I have tried all of your methods without noticeable results. I received a free copy of "Inside Windows 98". On page 4 titled "Removing stray temporary files and folders", the result seems to work. I had over 32 meg of temp files not identified by Norton Utilities or disk cleanup. System runs fast. This article will soon be posted at www.zdjournals.com/w98/_w98/9901.
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dew_associatesCommented:
Ginoooo, I commend your research, however most of that info came from the MS Knowledge Base as well as Windows Help.

The following, from MSKB, explains more in detail:

When you use the Disk Cleanup tool, you can free hard disk space on your
computer by:
 
 - Deleting temporary Internet files.
 
 - Deleting downloaded program files.
 
 - Emptying the Recycle Bin.
 
 - Deleting files from your temporary folder.
 
 - Deleting files created by other Windows 98 tools.
 
 - Removing optional Windows 98 components that you do not use.
 
 - Removing installed programs that you do not use.
 
 - Converting your hard disk drive to the FAT32 file system.
 
To free hard disk space on your computer, use any of the following methods:
 
Delete Stored Files
-------------------
 
You can remove files stored on your hard disk that you do not use. To do so,
follow these steps:
 
1. Double-click My Computer, right-click the hard disk on which you want to free
   space, click Properties, and then click Disk Cleanup on the General tab.
 
2. On the Disk Cleanup tab, click to select the check boxes of the files that
   you want to remove, click OK, click Yes, and then click OK.
 
Remove Windows Components
-------------------------
 
You can free more hard disk space by removing optional components that you do not
use. To do so, use the following steps.
 
1. Double-click My Computer, right-click the hard disk on which you want to free
   space, click Properties, and then click Disk Cleanup on the General tab.
 
2. On the More Options tab, click Clean Up under Windows Components.
 
3. If a component's check box is shaded, only some of the components are
   installed. If you want to see what is included in the component, click to
   select the component, and then click Details. If you want to remove
   components, click to clear the check boxes of the components that you do not
   want to use, click OK, click OK, and then click OK.
 
Remove Installed Programs
-------------------------
 
You can free hard disk space by removing programs that you do not use. To do so,
use the following steps:
 
1. Double-click My Computer, right-click the hard disk on which you want to free
   space, click Properties, and then click Disk Cleanup on the General tab.
 
2. On the More Options tab, click Clean Up under Installed Programs.
 
3. On the Install/Uninstall tab, click the program that you want to remove, and
   then click Add/Remove. Follow the instructions on your screen to remove the
   program.
 
4. Repeat step 3 to remove additional programs, click OK, click OK, and then
   click OK.


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ginoooooAuthor Commented:
You are right, however, the article makes you reboot in dos and do deltrees in your c:\windows\temp folder for each file found after a DIR. I got rid of over 32 meg of temp files this way that were NOT identified in any windows program/utility. The article is very long and maybe someone from this board gets "INSIDE MICROFT WINDOWS 98" who will understand. Using DOS is a "clean uninstall" especially using Norton/First Aid/Uninstaller as utilities.
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dew_associatesCommented:
Ginoooo, I am quite familiar with their articles, unfortunately they (A) do not go far enough, and (B) they do not inform the user of the potential hazards of blindly removing files, temporary or otherwise. As an example, IE stores its repair files in temporary format. These are intentionally ignored by disk cleanup. Furthermore, there are various groups, such as those from Windows Update that are also retained in temporary format, which too are ignored. Indeed, you removed a lot of files, and yes, your system may have improved some depending upon how much disk space you had in reserver, but ultimately the question will remain as to whether or not you have removed files that you may need in the future, and you won't know that until after a crash or a system problem develops.

As an MCSE and Microsoft Developer Member, I am quite familiar with all of the gimmicks posted throughout the net, however if you were to call in for technical service on your new computer and we learned that you had done this, you would move from free support to $35 to $125 per hour, no questions asked.

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ginoooooAuthor Commented:
Thank you.
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ginoooooAuthor Commented:
I do not like to have things hanging. I award the 250 points to dew associates. for what it is worth, there is NO answer for upper memory problems. we are restricted based on the design of our computers/software. Some things like using video extensively eat up upper memory and users like me need to monitor upper memory and reboot when low (unless I buy a MAC with their archeticure. I even have looked into buying an EIDE RAID cache controller. Instead, I will probably buy a SCSI hard drive.
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dew_associatesCommented:
Thanks Ginooooo!

I am concerned though that you are suffering these upper memory problems, and let me explain briefly why. As an OEM and as an MSDN member, we are constantly testing new hardware configurations. Let me draw a comparison for you.

You have a Dell t500 with 386 megs of SDRAM/running win98/13.9 gig harddrive/32 meg viper ultra video card.

While I have several test machine, including a a 700+MHz system with a gig of memory and a 32MB video card, my everyday machine is very simple.

Its a PII 450, with a 16MB AGP and 256MB of memory. I am at this machine anywhere from 6 to 15 hours a day and the machine is only rebooted when I do updates or add software. I do not run out of memory. I run a lot og graphics intensive software, including CAD as well as website applications, and I don't have these problems.

So, I'm looking beyond windows 98. There has to be something that is causing this memory leak. This is very similar to the problems the early versions of Win95 used to have.
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ginoooooAuthor Commented:
would many startup programs cause this even though they are not running?
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dew_associatesCommented:
Most certainly. Try using the system configuration tool and only start those programs that you absolutely need and test the machine. Then you can switch around and see if there is one or two that have memory leaks.
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ginoooooAuthor Commented:
give the points to him.
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dew_associatesCommented:
Thanks Ginooooo!
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ginoooooAuthor Commented:
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dew_associatesCommented:
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