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I have an LC475 with ethernet card and a G3 Desktop (original G3) with built in ethernet. I have an ethernet crossover cable. They are connected. The LC475 appears to be ready to receive a network connection (ie. all settings appear to be correct). The LC475 is running 7.6.1. I can't for the life of me get my G3 to recognize its built in ethernet card, and hence, cannot network my two computers. What do I need to do?

Second Question, Once I'm up and running, how do I connect to the internet with my G3 so that the LC475 can browse the net? I am using Apple Remote Access to connect to the internet through a dial-up connection.

Third Question: When I can afford it, I will upgrade to an ADSL connection, I know I will need to get a hub so I can still network my computers as the ADSL connection uses the ethernet port on either computer. How do I achieve a setup that will allow me to use both computers on the internet and still be networked to each other while maintaining a high degree of security?


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andyringCommented:
On the G3, I'd recommend opening it up and checking to make sure the card is tightly seated in the computer. I've never opened one of these up, but I think ethernet is on a card in that model.

On the second question: I don't know. I think it can be done, but I am not sure how.

ADSL: It's very easy. The ADSL setups I have worked with are all DHCP, and it takes about a minute or less to set up a Mac to work with it. Security is pretty much a non-issue. You are right in that you'll need a hub to connect everything together, but those are almost a dime a dozen anymore.
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bhlangAuthor Commented:
The Ethernet on the G3 is built in. I'm not sure what I have to do to set up the networking software on the G3. On the LC475, everything appears ready to go. It has been networked in the past (printer port to printer port), so the settings should work. But I can't seem to get the G3 to work with similar settings.
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boonstraCommented:
(1) Your settings should have Appletalk set to connect via Ethernet (Appletalk control panel).  If you are trying to use TCP/IP, you'll need to have each machine with a unique address in the TCP/IP control panel, preferably something in one of the non-routine address spaces (192.168.0.001), with TCP/IP set to connect via internet, and configured manually (unless you have a DHCP server).

If that doesn't work, then the problem is probably the crossover.  Networking with a crossover cable can be problematic, as one of the Macs has to switch to Ethernet first.  You haven't said what the symptom of the G3 not recognizing Ethernet is, but if it refuses to switch from Appletalk, then the crossover is likely to be the problem.  I'd recommend buying a cheap hub - you can get them for $40 or less (e.g., <http://www.macconnection.com/scripts/productdetail.asp?product_id=65761> or <http://www.macconnection.com/scripts/productdetail.asp?product_id=120323>).

(2) Use a Network Address Translation product like IPNetRouter <http://www.sustworks.com/products/product_ipnr.html>.  It allows you to connect to the internet from one Mac and access the internet from any other machine (not just Macs) on your network.  Works well, and reasonable priced.

(3) Haven't tried this, but I suspect the solution for (2) will work here as well.
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bhlangAuthor Commented:
I'm going to try this now.
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bhlangAuthor Commented:
When I try to switch to Ethernet on the G3, I get the following error:
"An Error occurred attempting to use Ethernet.
Make sure your network connections are correct."

This happens if the ethernet cable is connected or not.
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boonstraCommented:
That is a symptom the crossover cable problem.  The G3 doesn't see an Ethernet network.  You can check to see if the LC475 is set to Ethernet, and try to switch them both at the same time.  But I think you are going to have to buy a cheap hub.  Can you can borrow one to confirm that this is the problem?
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bhlangAuthor Commented:
Update: I tried your last suggestion, and it didn't work. I don't know of any hubs that I could borrow at this time, and the cheapest one I can find locally is $65 (Canadian) which is beyond my means at this time.

I asked my local computer store guys (two stores) and I got two different solutions which failed. 1. Buy a hub - duh, I already knew about that one.
2. Try reinstalling OS8.5 networking components - I did, and still nothing. I'm going to download OS8.6 update and see if that helps (8.6 is already installed but because I wan't networking, not all network components were installed).

Any other suggestions?
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bhlangAuthor Commented:
Well, I got the two computers connected, but now I can't seem to get the G3 to see any files or drives or anything on the LC475. Oh well, I'll keep trying
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boonstraCommented:
You need to specify an owner name and password in the File Sharing control panel, and then log in using that account from the Chooser.  

You can also set up accounts using the Users&Groups control panel (systems up to 8.6) or the Users&Groups tab in the FileSharing CP (system 9.0).
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bhlangAuthor Commented:
I've done that, but the LC475 doesn't show up in the chooser.
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jrfaulknerCommented:
have you made sure that the Networking and File Sharing extensions are in the extensions folder?
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jrfaulknerCommented:
if you think you will be switching to ADSL or Cable in the near future, don't buy the hub.  Most all of these services use DHCP to provide IP addresses. therefore the service knows to send you only one IP address since you're paying for only one account.  I went through all this with my cable modem service provider.  you have 2 options:

1.  instead of a hub, purchase the new "XRouter" by macsense which is available from any mac mail order warehouse.  The Xrouter serves as both a hub and a router in one.  It takes the IP that your service sends you, splits up the bandwidth in up to 127 separate IP addresses.  It slows your service down when you start adding multiple machines, but if you're only talking 2 macs you'll still be happy with the speed.  this option didnt work for me since there are certain cable modem services that this isn't compatible with for reasons that macsense can't figure out.  The "XRouter" is $299 and is a great product if it works with your service.

option 2:  my service allowed me to purchase an additional IP for $10/mo which allowed me to use a simple $35 hub to which I have connected my Starmax 200mhz clone, my G3 powerbook, my hp laserjet 4mp w/ ethernet, and an additional line run to the living room so I can watch football on Sunday afternoon and be logged in to NFL gameday live at espn.com or listen to other games via broadcast .com

hope this helps
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bhlangAuthor Commented:
Actually, my ADSL ISP (gotta love acronyms) automatically gave me 2 IP addresses. So, I can easily set up a 2 computer network through a hub with my ADSL modem attached to the uplink port. My computer store guy was really helpful in explaining this to me when I went in over the Christmas break. Now I just gotta save some bucks to do it!
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