CONNECTING 2 COMPUTERS OVER THE INTERNET

hi. i want to know if there is software out there that i can use that will allow me to access my relatives computer and let me do certain things on their computer.


my relatives are not familiar with computers. and its tuff explaining to them how to install certain things in particular. therefore i wanted to have a way that i could log on there computer and for example install a program they want onto their computer..all over the internet.

could you please tell me if software out there allows me to do this, and if so how i can use it

(both computers are win98 Pentium 2 computers)
thanks
goldberg98Asked:
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tvanlintConnect With a Mentor Commented:
thanks
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NenadicCommented:
NetMeeting could provide you with some of this functionality, but something like Back Orifice 2000 is what you are really looking for:
http://www.bo2k.com
Very simple to use, but very powerful.
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prenexusCommented:
You could also try something like PC Anywhere which basically gives you the remote computers desktop in a Window. You can do anything you like to their machine.

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tvanlintCommented:
better still is WinVNC http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/
which is FREE and allows you to remotely control another machine without having to use what is effectively a hacker tool (BackOrrifice and NetBus are really just that).
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NenadicCommented:
tvanlint:
You work for MS?
BO2K is a free, open-code tool meant for MS administrators. It is 2MB in size, including the server portion.

The reason you call it a hacker tool is that it was the only way MS could describe a product that compared to their equivalent costs nothing and is less than 1% in size.

VNS is a remote desktop viewing tool! It cannot be used for installations and alike. You shouldn't have locked the question with that proposal.
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goldberg98Author Commented:
ok i have downloaded both
bo2k.com  vnc

but i dont get how to use either of them. i mean lets say i know the ip number to my computer at home and want to access it from this computer at my friends place.

1. do both computers require the program be loaded ?
2. could you tell me step by step how to use lets say bo2k to do the following: lets say i want to install a program that is called
paltalk.zip on my home computer. lets say its saved to the desktop.

how do i connect to my home computer (its left on of course connected to the internet) and do this?

thanks.
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NenadicCommented:
BO2K:
Configure the server component (file bo2k.exe) for a port you want to use. Use TCP if you want more reliability, UDP if you want slightly faster access. I suggest you use a difficult-to-guess port, something like 51982.
You must then run that file on the computer that you want to remotely control.
Then, at the computer you will use to control, where you installed BO2K - start the Client portion, and connect to the IP address of your computer at home.
In order to run a program that is zipped, you have to perform two steps. One: Use Winzip to extract it somewhere on the remote computer. You can either extract it locally and the upload all the files to your home computer, or you can start a remote WinZip (providing it is installed at home) process from the list of options in BO2K.
After that run the setup program (as a process again) with the appropriate parameters.
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jatcanCommented:
O.K.-#1 thing you should know is that Bo2K is still a virus and is detected as such by most antivirus software. I know. I tried to use it on my intranet and it keeped getting detected as a virus. I had to add it to the exclusions list, problem with this is if someone ever does get into you pc and "infect" it with BO, then becuase it's on your exclusions list it will NEVR be detected by antivirus software. #1 suggestion is to use VNC, which works perfectly, is small and uses limited resources. I will have to looked at my configuration for VNC before I can comment on how you should configure it, I'm at work so when I get home I can do that for you if you like, just say so.

Jatcan
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tvanlintCommented:
you need to read the documentation. Brief summary follows;

With VNC you need to run the server portion on the machine you want to control, and you run a viewer on the remote machine.

When you run the server part you set a password for connections - and then when you run the client you enter the ip address of the machine you want to connect to, followed by a colon and a zero.  SO if the ip was 192.168.100.001 then you would enter in the viewer connect to box 192.168.100.001:0 and hit OK.  Thats all. then you are connected to the remote machine.

Nenadic: you'd be joking wouldn't you?  BO2k IS a hacker tool.  Just ask the Cult of the dead cow why they wrote it and about the other hacks and cracks they are involved in...
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NenadicCommented:
I'm not gonna get into this argument... whatever - BO2K IS a hacking tool if you will... It IS a virus...

goldberg98 - sorry! I took you for a ride... There's too many too well informed people around, for me to pull this one off...
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tvanlintCommented:
seems concensus is WinVNC - will you give me the points for it?
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goldberg98Author Commented:
i still havent been able to get VNC to work.
could someone give me a dummy step by step explanation? i never have done anthing like this.
starting with how do i figure out the ip number of my computer. ?

ill increase the points
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tvanlintCommented:
if you cant read the online docs to install vnc, then how could you install software for your rellies?

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goldberg98Author Commented:
lol...im just not familiar with this kind of software...
could someone help me?
how do i find out my ip number and how do i setup the vnc program?
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tvanlintCommented:
well, to find out your ip address, type Winipcfg in the Run window (from the start menu) and hit enter.  This gives you a little GUI tool that you can see your ip address.

To install winvnc, download it, unzip it and then double click setup.  Select all the default options and it is installed.  Do this on both machines.

Then on the host computer (the one you want to control) get them to tel you their ip address (using winipcfg) and then start VNC (Start menu, Programs, VNC, Run Winvnc [app mode]) and they get a window that asks for a password (on the first time they run it).  Get them to put in a password that you know.  In future when they run it the password is set.  The server portion will only run when they choose to run it through clicking on the application through the start menu.

Fopr the next part, we will assume their ip address is 123.456.789.001

On the client PC, select Start, Programs, VNC, Run vncviewer.  In the window that pops up enter 123.456.789.001:0
and then hit enter.  Shortly the remote machines window will pop up on your screen and you are in control.

This is a pretty exhaustive answer, and I expect you will give me the points.  
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NenadicCommented:
..and how is this process different from using BO2K?
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tvanlintCommented:
BO2K installs as a service in the background.  There is a big base of users using the BO client to scan any and every machine on the network.  The default with BO is no security (ie once installed, andyone can get access) with VNC you set a password, and the service only runs when you choose to run it.

With BO2k the remote user has access to files etc without the user knowing it. With VNC the remote user can only perform tasks that the remote station can SEE being performed.  

Enough difrences? I could go on...
BO2K is a hacker tool. VNC is a sys admin utility.
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goldberg98Author Commented:
i understand this TVANLINT...but when i run VNC Viewer it does not ask me for the password. So where is it that I plug in the password as the person using the viewer??

thanks..if you let me know this..all is understood.

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goldberg98Author Commented:
i understand this TVANLINT...but when i run VNC Viewer it does not ask me for the password. So where is it that I plug in the password as the person using the viewer??

thanks..if you let me know this..all is understood.

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goldberg98Author Commented:
Adjusted points to 200
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tvanlintCommented:
once you have installed it, run it from the Start menu.  You get an icon in the system tray (just nect to the clock) right click on it and select properties.

How's that?
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NenadicCommented:
You set the password with BO2K as well. On top of that you have two protocols of 65,000 ports each to choose to make your specific connection on. So on, not everyone can have access.
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tvanlintCommented:
goldberg98, you have the full story now, so it's time to decide where you will allocate the points.

Just to prove my point that BO2K is a hacker tool, Net Assoc virusscan detects BO and gives you a warning.  It doesn't detect VNC as a problem bvause it is not a hacker tool.
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tvanlintCommented:
look at the hackwatch website http://www.iol.ie/~kooltek/bo2k.html for info about BO2K
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goldberg98Author Commented:
tvanlint you got the points even though i havent got this to work yet
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goldberg98Author Commented:
send me a request for points
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