Serial mouse

I am going nuts trying to detect a serial mouse after reinstalling Win95 on an older computer (no PS/2, 100 mHz, 32 MB RAM).

Suggestions on a systematic approach?
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suobsAuthor Commented:
There was  a conflict with COM4 modem, so I reset the IRQ.  Then restart and would not detect.  I have tried Detect New Hardware and restarted numerous times.
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oldgreyguyCommented:
1/ does the mouse work in safe mode?

2/ remove the modem (physically)

3/ remove all serial port (in control panel)

4/ reboot the computer

5/ go to control panel, add new hardware, and see what winders finds.
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suobsAuthor Commented:
What about the modem?  Are you saying to reinstall it (physically) after finding the serial ports?

What is the purpose of actually removing the modem?  Wouldn't removing it in control panel have the same effect?

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oldgreyguyCommented:
I would physically remove it........... just to take it out of the equation (i am sure this is not spelled correctly... ).

after you get your mouse to working, then  you can install it.
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suobsAuthor Commented:
everything was spelled correctly!

be right back . . .
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suobsAuthor Commented:
everything was spelled correctly!

be right back . . .
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rayt333Commented:
Are trying to connect a serial mouse? or a PS2 mouse with a serial adapter? I have found that some PS2 mice will not work with an adapter on a serial port.

Other thing to check, Do you have the serial port disabled or enabled in the CMOS setup?
Do you have a listing for the serial port in Device Manager?
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suobsAuthor Commented:
It is a Microsoft serial mouse, no adapter - I have had similar experiences with PS/2 + adapter.  Had not checked CMOS because it was working prior to the reinstall - in fact after the reinstall it worked, until I tried to make a cable connection via serial cable with Laplink.  THen the mouse would quit when the modem was started and the machine would need ot be restarted.  I was trying to fix this problem when I lost the mouse.  

I currently (before removing modem) had listings for 2 serial ports and the modem, altho there are 3 serial ports + modem.

Removed modem, now it finds 3 serial ports.  Each restart it gives a message about no mouse.  I deleted mouse drivers and on restart it detected new hardware, and asked if I wanted ot install drivers and I said yes, and it installed a PS/2 mouse!  I have tried manually installing Standard serial mouse and Microsoft serial mouse.

I am wondering about reinstalling W95 again (this has taken all day anyway) . . . another thought was physically removing one of the serial ports . . .

I need at least 2 serial ports (1for cable connections, one for the mouse), plus a com port for the modem.
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suobsAuthor Commented:
It is a Microsoft serial mouse, no adapter - I have had similar experiences with PS/2 + adapter.  Had not checked CMOS because it was working prior to the reinstall - in fact after the reinstall it worked, until I tried to make a cable connection via serial cable with Laplink.  THen the mouse would quit when the modem was started and the machine would need ot be restarted.  I was trying to fix this problem when I lost the mouse.  

I currently (before removing modem) had listings for 2 serial ports and the modem, altho there are 3 serial ports + modem.

Removed modem, now it finds 3 serial ports.  Each restart it gives a message about no mouse.  I deleted mouse drivers and on restart it detected new hardware, and asked if I wanted ot install drivers and I said yes, and it installed a PS/2 mouse!  I have tried manually installing Standard serial mouse and Microsoft serial mouse.

I am wondering about reinstalling W95 again (this has taken all day anyway) . . . another thought was physically removing one of the serial ports . . .

I need at least 2 serial ports (1for cable connections, one for the mouse), plus a com port for the modem.
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rayt333Commented:
<I am wondering about reinstalling W95 again>

This is sounding like a good idea, sometimes when all else fails then you go back to the beggining and start over. Are you planning a clean install or just install over top of itself?
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rayt333Commented:
Before going the reinstall route how about going into Device Manager and highlight each serial port and click remove them all then reboot and let Windoze find and install them again and see if it finds the mouse then
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suobsAuthor Commented:
Already tried that (many times!), with and without the modem.  Also tried resetting their defaults.  Win95 is finding the serial ports again (or most of them anyway), but is being very stubborn about the mouse.  I also tried the mouse in different serial ports. The mouse worked fine 2 days ago, so I assume it is not the problem.

I won't be at that machine until tonight, so any new ideas or a SOLUTION would be welcomed.

However, I'm thinking that reinstall will be much quicker than restarting 600 more times with no results.

Do you guys agree that reinstalling may fix the problem?
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My name is MudSystems EngineerCommented:
>>Old machine...

Seek for IRQ jumpers in modem card...
Put the mouse in another COM...
Check the cable connection of the COM port to the board...
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bjornurCommented:
Hi this is a link to a real player video about issues in installing.
It contains the registry changes you might have to do after a reinstall.
(your problem is referring to the registry)
The video also contains other good stuff. Gimme the points! ;-)
best regards
/Bjorn
http://www.service911.com/content/StreamingVideoMain.asp?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fplay%2Erbn%2Ecom%2F%3Furl%3Dservice%2Fservice%2Fg2demand%2FWin98SetupIssues%2Erm%26proto%3Drtsp%26proto%3Ddual&VideoCategoryID=0&VideoMenuID=10093&VideoTitle=What+are+Common+Windows+98+Setup+Issues%3F
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suobsAuthor Commented:
Edited text of question.
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dadeanCommented:
Suobs,

Of all the efforts, have you tried checking your CMOS setting?

Depends on what M/B you are having but try find a way to enter the BIOS and looking for comm settings.

here's default setting:
COM1 Port:3F8-3FFh IRQ:4
COM2 Port:2F8-2FFh IRQ:3

Do this first and when you are done, load windows, if the mouse cant move, use keyboard, open your Device Manager, go to Modem, check the resource it's using, if it shows IRQ:4, try change it to other available IRQ preferably 9 or 11.

Next thing you should try is plug your mouse to the other serial port (thats what i normally do to find out if my mouse is working)

Let us know the outcome.

Dean
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suobsAuthor Commented:
Edited text of question.
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gwillsonCommented:
You might want to try booting the computer in safe mode.  While in safe mode, check the device manager.  Remove any device that is listed more than once (if there are any).  For example if there are 2 COM1's listed, remove both of them.  Then reboot in normal mode and let windows find everything again.

Often times while trying to get devices working, removing and reinstalling modems, com ports and so on, windows get confused and lists devices multiple times.  This doesn't show in the device in normal mode though.  Only in safe mode.
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suobsAuthor Commented:

I checked all these things (re whatboy and daean).  I had previously physically removed the modem, and still could not detect the ser mouse.  I had checked and
reset the port settings.

I finally physically removed the 3rd serial port, restarted, and voila.  I had always had trouble with it.  Then I reinstalled the modem and everything works fine
including the mouse and second serial
port.

Thanks for all the help!  If you think you deserve the points, post an answer.  Oldgrey first suggested phyical removal of stuff (of modem), which inspired me to start
taking
things out of the machine . . .
 
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jgagneCommented:
Remove all com ports in WIN 95.  Remove (if any) the sound card, modem, nic.  Check your setup to be sure the COM ports are not disabled.  When you get into WIN 95, it should auto detect the COM ports (only 2).  If it is an MS mouse, MS should see it.  The ports could be bad - try the mouse in both.
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My name is MudSystems EngineerCommented:
Bravo!!!

Hey jgagne, You solve the puzzle!!!


Get all the points, while answering already answered questions, good one boy...
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suobsAuthor Commented:
What the hey, it was a good summary . . .
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