Network necessary for "No-Password" DUN in Win98?

The whole Win95 game of creating a fictitious "network" on my home machine (Client for Microsoft Networks, NetBeui) so that DUN would remember my password is ridiculous.  

Does anyone know if Win98 SE got around this.  By that I mean, if I delete the Client for Microsoft Networks and NETBEUI network applets will DUN still work without prompting each time for a password??  I am not sure how it would look but I just want to have the Dail-Up Adapter and TCP/IP loaded and have DUN remember my password.

Seems like Microsoft promised each DUN update from 1.1 onward would fix the problem and it  never did.  

Thanks for any input.

Dave
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1cellCommented:
isn't there a check box on the new version which says something like "remember my password" or "save password"
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dbishAuthor Commented:
Yes there is.  However, there has been that box on every Microsoft version of DUN since 1.1 (Win 95).  It didn't work unless there was a network "running" on the computer.  

My question is, does anybody know whether Microsoft finally got it fixed in Win98 SE so I can eliminate the Network protocols (Microsoft Network, NetBeui).  
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1cellCommented:
I have 98 not se and it works fine without a network on the system.  Just dial up and TCP/IP
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majusCommented:
Win98 had the family logon option in Network.... so basically the first time you log in as a user with no password and there you go.... it still makes the .pwl file in windows and therefor can store the DUN password.  This is still in 2nd Ed.
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majusCommented:
Oh also netbeui is not installed by default anymore... only tcp/ip...
netbeui wasn't needed before either... just any protocol.
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dew_associatesCommented:
Dave, do you want to try and take this from the start and fix it?

Your dialup should be saving the password and if yours isn't it would be easiest to run through a set of procedures to try and find out why yours isn't working and fix it. The only caution I have for you is to stick to a defined procedure rather than hopping from one thing to another. This will prevent something from being missed.

Dennis
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V0RTONCommented:
YOU HAVE TO FORMAT YOUR PC
IT IS THE ONLY WAY IT WILL WORK

NO PROBLEM
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dbishAuthor Commented:
Okay, let's take the next step.  

The machine I bought came preconfigured with Win98 SE, Client for Microsoft Network, DialUpAdapter, NetBeui, and TCP/IP.   The Family netowrk was also preinstalled.  I deleted the Family Network initially and nothing changed - still have Network Neighborhood icon, and can connect to Internet without password prompt each time (it remembered initial password.

After reading all the answers to my initial question here, I deleted the  Client for Microsoft Network and NetBeui.  Win98 said network "incomplete" but let me save and reboot.  

Win98 works but every time I use the DialUp Adapter I must input my password.  Checking the "Save password" box is available but does not hold it.  (Acts just like DUN 1.1-1.3 in Win 95)

I am not good at this stuff but think, now after more thought, that perhaps the DialUp adapter and TCP/IP "needs" a network to bind to.

I want to eliminate the Network Neighborhood icon from desktop and any overhead associated with having a "network" running on my single machine.  

Am I off base or just missing something??

Thanks for all the help so far - but where do I go from here.

Dave
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dbishAuthor Commented:
I hope you are kidding.  I don't use the "F" word in polite company.
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V0RTONCommented:
YOU HAVE TO FORMAT YOUR PC
IT IS THE ONLY WAY IT WILL WORK

NO PROBLEM
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V0RTONCommented:
OH AND "F" YOU ALSO
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dew_associatesCommented:
Dave, you're right on target.

Let's make sure that you understand what is going on here and let's stay with Win98 and forget about what you went through with Win95.

First, DUN does require some network components be installed, such as TCP/IP, but they only create overhead when in use, and at that it's not very much as it is a protocol, not an actual service.

Second, the Network Neighborhood icon does not create overhead, but it is convenient in the event that you later decide that maybe you want to take advantage of one of these on-line hard drives to store info. Once DUN hooks the site and you map that on-line drive, you can use network neighborhood.

On the other hand, with a small registry change, we can remove the Network Neighborhood icon entirely.

What I would like you to do is get back to the beginning where you were by re-implementing the Client for Microsoft Networks and TCP/IP, that's all you need. Check and make sure that your password is being saved. When that's done, let me know either way on the icon removal and if you choose to remove it, I'll post a step-by-step procedure for you.
Dennis
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dew_associatesCommented:
Dave,

Reject this turkey and I'll post an answer you can accept!

Dennis
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dbishAuthor Commented:
Okay, You're going to get the points and I hope I get my answer.  

I reinstalled Client for Microsoft Networks and TCP/IP and DUN is working - fine remembers password, etc.

What is the registry tweak to remove Netwok Neighborhood icon from desktop?
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dew_associatesCommented:
Dave, here's an entire raft of Win98 reg changes to change what you see and what you do not. Obviously this includes Network Neighborhood.

1.      Start Regedit

2.      Go to HKEY_Current_User\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies

3.      There should already be at least an Explorer key

4.      Additional keys that can be created under Policies are System, Network and WinOldApp, you can then add DWORD values set to 1 in the appropriate keys.

5.      In the Explorer key you can add:

NoDeletePrinter            -      Disables Deletion of Printers
NoAddPrinter            -      Disables Addition of Printers
NoRun                  -      Disables Run Command
NoSetFolders            -      Removes Folders from Settings on Start Menu
NoSetTaskbar            -      Removes Taskbar from Settings on Start Menu
NoFind                  -      Removes the Find Command
NoDrives                  -      Hides Drives in My Computers
NoNetHood            -      Hides the Network Neighborhood
NoDesktop            -      Hides all items on the Desktop
NoClose                  -      Disables Shutdown
NoSaveSettings            -      Don't save settings on exit
DisableRegistryTools      -      Disable Registry Editing Tools - NOTE: Be Careful of this one.
NoFavoritesMenu            -      Removes Favorites Menu

6.      In the System key you can enter:

NoDispCPL            -      Disable Display Control Panel
NoDispBackgroundPage      -      Hide Background Page
NoDispScrSavPage      -      Hide Screen Saver Page
NoDispAppearancePage      -      Hide Appearance Page
NoDispSettingsPage      -      Hide Settings Page
NoSecCPL            -      Disable Password Control Panel
NoPwdPage            -      Hide Password Change Page
NoAdminPage            -      Hide Remote Administration Page
NoProfilePage            -      Hide User Profiles Page
NoDevMgrPage            -      Hide Device Manager Page
NoConfigPage            -      Hide Hardware Profiles Page
NoFileSysPage            -      Hide File System Button
NoVirtMemPage            -      Hide Virtual Memory Button



Example:
Use this setting to hide the Background tab under Control Panel > Display, to prevent users from changing their desktop background and wallpaper settings.  To set this option, go to:

HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System

and edit/create the value NoDispBackgroundPage (REG_DWORD) and set the value to "1" (without quotes) to hide the Background tab.  To re-enable the tab, set the value to "0".

This works in Windows  95, 98, NT 4 and Windows 2000

7.      In the Network key you can enter:

NoNetSetupSecurityPage      -      Hides security pages
NoNetSetup            -      Disable the Network Control Panel
NoNetSetupIDPage      -      Hide Identification Page
NoNetSetupSecurityPage      -      Hide Access Control Page
NoFileSharingControl      -      Disable File Sharing Controls
NoPrintSharing            -      Disable Print Sharing Controls

8.      In the WinOldApp key you can enter:

Disabled                  -      Disable MS-DOS Prompt
NoRealMode            -      Disables Single-Mode MS-DOS


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1cellCommented:
dbish,

if Dew is on it, you'll get an answer that works
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dbishAuthor Commented:
Thanks.  This is answer I was looking for.
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dew_associatesCommented:
Glad I could help Dave!
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