Starting with a clean install??

My daughter's computer is having too many error messages and I want to do a clean install, so here are my questions:

1. How do I clean off the hard drive and prepare it for the new install, I don't think I need to reformat the drive do I?  If so, how do I reformat, if not how do I delete all the stuff on the drive?

2. The system came with Win 95 "B" and since then I have upgraded to Win 98 and also to Win 98 SE.  Can I just install Win 98 SE without having to reinstall the two previous versions first? I read somewhere that you could do this if you have the numbers for the previous versions and just put them in.

Thank you

Jeff
JCT080399Asked:
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dew_associatesConnect With a Mentor Commented:
JCT, since TedSenns comment is essentially in error, I've posted the following as the answer. This procedure will take you through the entire process, but it will also provide you with a way out if something goes wrong. It also allows you to recover the address book etc.

Contrary to Ted's comment, you do not need to first install Windows 95B or even your first Win98 in order to install Windows 98SE.

Handle the format etc as normal, and begin the install using the Win98SE upgrade disk (this presumes it is not the "Update Disk", and there is a difference. An upgrade is exactly what it implies. The update disk adds to an existing Win98 install.

When the installer comes up and advises that it cannot verify the existence of a prior operating system, eg: Win95 or Win98, put your Win95 CD into the drive and point the installer to it. After acceptance, put the Win98SE CD back in and continue normally.

Dennis
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I've set up two ways of doing this in the event you get yourself in a jam and need a way back.
First, before doing anything else, go into control panel, add/remove programs and make a new windows 98 startup disk.
Next,
1. Insert a new floppy disk into the drive, then go into My Computer and right click on the floppy drive icon and click format. Choose full format and transfer system files. When the first one is finished, do another and leave that last floppy in the drive.
2. Now click Start, Find, Files and Folders and search for the following files and when found, right click on them and send them to the floppy.
Himem.sys (should be in C:\Windows)
Format.com (should be in C:\Windows\Command)
Emm386.exe (should be in C:\Windows)
Scandisk.exe (should be in C:\Windows\Command)
Edit.com (should be in C:\Windows\Command)
Fdisk.exe (should be in C:\Windows\Command)
Mscdex.exe (should be in C:\Windows\Command)
config.sys (should be at C:\ but we may have to build one so if its not there don't worry)
autoexec.bat (should be at C:\ but we may have to build one so if its not there don't worry)
Oakcdrom.sys (should be at C:\ Windows\Command\EBD)
Now close, Find, Files and Folders.

3. Now repeat the entire procedure in #2 using the second disk you formatted so that you have two that are fully formatted with the files noted. You'll see why in a moment!
4. This next procedure can be done in either of two ways, and I'll show you both in the event you get in a bind and need to modify either of these floppies in MSDos.
We will need to modify the Config.sys and Autoexec.bat files to enable your system to boot correctly, enable upper memory, enable you to scan the hard drive for errors before installation of the operating system and to enable the cd rom drivers.
Let's do this the easy way first since you have Win98 running already.
Put one of the floppies into the drive. Now click Start, Programs, Accessories, Wordpad. Click File, Open and where it says "Files of Type", click the down arrow to the right and select the last entry "All Documents (*.*). Now change the directory to A:\ and select the Config.sys file presuming that your system has one. If it doesn't, then ignore this step and we will create one.
The following lines are what you need to insert:

DEVICE=A:\HIMEM.SYS
DEVICE=A:\EMM386.EXE NOEMS
DEVICE=A:\OAKCDROM.SYS /D:MSCD001

Now save this as CONFIG.SYS to the floppy.
5. Now we'll create the AUTOEXEC.BAT, by either editing the one you copied over to the floppy or by creating a new one as we did in #4 above. Follow the same procedure as you did in #4 above, but use this line instead.

A:\MSCDEX.EXE /D:MSCD001

Now save this as AUTOEXEC.BAT to the floppy, and remove the floppy and set it aside.

Mark this floppy as Floppy "A"

6. Now insert the other floppy disk into the drive, as we're going to build the files you'll need after the drive has been partitioned and formatted.
Now click Start, Programs, Accessories, Wordpad. Click File, Open and where it says "Files of Type", click the down arrow to the right and select the last entry "All Documents (*.*). Now we will repeat the procedure we used above by either editing the existing Config.sys or by building a new one. There are only minor differences.
The following lines are what you need to insert:

DEVICE=C:\HIMEM.SYS
DEVICE=C:\EMM386.EXE NOEMS
DEVICE=C:\OAKCDROM.SYS /D:MSCD001

Now save this as CONFIG.SYS to the floppy.

7. Now we'll create the AUTOEXEC.BAT, by either editing the one you copied over to the floppy or by creating a new one as we did in #4 above. Follow the same procedure as you did in #4 above, but use this line instead.

C:\MSCDEX.EXE /D:MSCD001

Mark this floppy as Floppy "B"

8. Now test the first floppy by inserting it into the drive and then restart your system. It should boot to the floppy and provide cd rom drive support. Now insert the Windows 98 cd into the cd rom drive and type
E: (and touch the enter key.)

You should see E:\>

Now type DIR and touch enter. This should cause the system to produce a directory of the files and directories on the cd rom disk.

9. Now switch floppies and reboot the system using the CTRL, ALT and DEL keys at the same time. Your system should boot to the floppy, but you may get an error as the files that are on the floppy may not be co-located on the cd drive. As long as the system boots to the floppy is all that matters at this point.

10. Without rebooting, switch floppies and type A: (and touch enter)
Now type EDIT and touch the enter key. This bring up the DOS editor. Now touch the ALT key and you can use the keyboard arrow keys to move through the menu either up or down or across to open a file as well as edit it. I don't want to belabor the subject, but just let you know that you can do what you did in Wordpad within the Dos editor.
11. Now you're ready to configure your system and reload Windows 98.
Insert floppy "A" into the drive and restart the system. Once the system has booted, type FDISK and touch enter.
This will enable you to see the existing partition information, remove the existing partition, create a new partition, make it active and then format it.
Let me know how you are at this point!
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First, make a list of all of the components that you have on your system. As an example,

Video card <make and model>
Modem <make and model?
Sound Card <Make and model>

Any other devices that you may have, including scanners etc.

Now visit the online sites for each device and locate the most recent drivers for each device and download them. Write down the actual driver file name and then save them onto your other hard drive. We will install these after you setup windows 98.

If you will be using an antivirus program on this system, make a list of all of the software you intend to load, and then make the antivirus the last item on the list.

If you're unsure of where to find the drivers, let me know the make and model of the card/device and I'll find the URL for you.
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As for Outlook, when you open it review the tools and options and review them carefully, especially the export features. This will enable you to export the address book as well as backup any email on your system.

Additionally, you should record each of your logon names and passwords, as well as your internet logon procedures, TCP/IP settings, logon names and passwords there as well.

Here's the procedures for Outlook Express.

To Back Up the Windows Address Book
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You do not have to create a new folder, you can use a folder that already
exists. Copying the .wab to another folder allows you to retain the file
name.

Copy the .wab file to another folder. To do so, follow these steps:

1. Quit Outlook Express.

2. Create a new folder to store the .wab file. For example:

C:\Backup

For information about how to create a folder, click Start, click Help,
click the Index tab, type "new folder" (without quotation marks), and
then double-click the topic, "New Folders".

3. Click Start, point to Find, and then click Files Or Folders.

4. In the Named box, type "*.wab" (without quotation marks), and then
click Find Now.

5. Copy the <username>.wab file to the folder that you created in
step 2.

For information about how to copy a file, click Start, click Help, click
the Index tab, type "copying" (without quotation marks), and then
double-click the topic, "files or folders."

To Back Up Mail Folders
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You do not have to create a new folder, you can use a folder that already
exists. Copying the .mbx files to another folder allows you to retain the
file names.

Copy the .mbx files to another folder. To do so, follow these steps:

1. Quit Outlook Express.

2. Create a new folder to store the .mbx files. For example:

C:\Backup

For information about how to create a folder, click Start, click Help,
click the Index tab, type "new folder" (without quotation marks), and
then double-click the "New Folders" topic.

3. Click Start, point to Find, and then click Files Or Folders.

4. In the Named box, type "*.mbx" (without quotation marks), and then
click Find Now.

5. For each mail folder that you want to create a backup copy of, copy the
corresponding <filename>.mbx file to the folder that you created in step
2. For example, the Inbox.mbx file is the Inbox folder.

For information about how to copy a file, click Start, click Help,
click the Index tab, type "copying" (without quotation marks), and
then double-click the "files or folders" topic.

For additional information about backing up mail folders, click Contents
And Index on the Help menu in Outlook Express, click the Index tab, type
"backing up mail folders" (without quotation marks), and then click
Display.

To Restore the Windows Address Book
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To restore the .wab file that you previously backed up, follow these steps:

1. Quit Outlook Express.

2. Click Start, point to Find, and then click Files Or Folders.

3. In the Named box, type "*.wab" (without quotation marks), and then
click Find Now.

4. Rename the current <username>.wab file in the Address Book folder.

For information about how to rename files, click Start, click Help,
click the Index tab, type "renaming files" (without quotation
marks), and then double-click the "Renaming files" topic.

5. Copy the backup copy of the <username>.wab file to the Address Book
folder.

For information about how to copy a file, click Start, click Help,
click the Index tab, type "copying" (without quotation marks), and
then double-click the "files or folders" topic.

6. Start Outlook Express.

To Restore Mail Folders
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To restore one or more of the Outlook Express .mbx files that you
previously backed up, follow these steps:

1. Quit Outlook Express.

2. Click Start, point to Find, and then click Files Or Folders.

3. In the Named box, type "*.mbx *.idx" (without quotation marks), and then
click Find Now.

4. Rename the current <filename>.mbx and corresponding <filename>.idx file.

For information about how to rename files, click Start, click Help,
click the Index tab, type "renaming files" (without quotation
marks), and then double-click the "Renaming files" topic.

5. Copy the backup copy of the .mbx file to the Mail folder.

For information about how to copy a file, click Start, click Help,
click the Index tab, type "copying" (without quotation marks), and
then double-click the "files or folders" topic.

NOTE: The <filename>.idx file is re-created when you start Outlook
Express.

6. Delete the Folders.nch file. To do so, use the following steps:

a. Quit Outlook Express or Outlook.

b. Click the Start button, point to Find, and then click Files Or
Folders.

c. In the Named box, type "folders.nch" (without quotation marks), and
then click Find Now.

d. Click the Folders.nch file, and then click Rename or Delete on the
File menu.

7. Start Outlook Express.
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A. Fdisk is Microsoft's partitioning program. It will allow you to take a raw unformatted drive and create a partition in either Fat 16 or Fat 32.

1. Insert boot floppy "A" into the floppy drive and boot the system to it. You will be asked if you want LBA mode and you reply yes, for Fat 32.

2. At the MSDos prompt A:\> type "fdisk" without quotes and touch enter. This will bring up the dos fdisk menu. As you can see, you have several choices, you can:

.. Create a partition or logical drive.
.. Set the active partition.
.. Delete a partition of logical drive.
.. Display partition information.

On systems with multiple hard drives, there will be another choice added to the list:

.. Change current fixed disk drive.

.. Create a partition or logical drive.

This option enables you to set a new partition (including size) on a hard drive that either is new and has never been partitioned or one that has had it's partition removed with the third option noted above.

.. Set the active partition.

Once a drive has been partitioned, this option will enable you to make it active and therefore bootable. As an example, you could partition one hard drive into several partitions, let's say as Drive "C", "D" and "E", after which you would set "C" as the active bootable partition.

.. Delete a partition of logical drive.

This option allows you to remove partition(s) as well as logical drives. In the example above, "C" would be the primary partition and drives "D" and "E" would be logical drives.

.. Display partition information.

This option allows you to see what existing partitions are on a hard drive.

.. Change current fixed disk drive.

In systems with multiple hard drives, this option allows you to choose which hard drive you want to work with.

When you first start Fdisk, you will be given a choice whether or not you want LBA mode. If you choose NO or (N), the system will default to Fat 16. If you choose YES (Y), the system will default to Fat 32.

Start Fdisk as noted above, and choose (Y) for LBA and review the partition information. When you're done, just touch the ESC key and change drives to "A" by typing A: <enter>.

B. Now you're ready to format the drive and transfer the basic system files.

At the MSDos prompt A:> type "FORMAT C:/S" without quotes and touch the enter key. It will look like this:

A:\>FORMAT C:/S

A message will come up alerting you to the fact that if you proceed, all existing data on the hard drive will be erased. Acknowledge the message and proceed with the format.

NOTE: Once you start the formatting process, you're committed and will have to reload the operating system to make it functional. Therefore, if you are unsure about anything regarding data and drivers, make sure that you do that now before you continue.

When the basic format process finished, the format command will transfer the basic system files and note that on the screen. Now you can remove floppy "A" and reboot the system and it should boot to the "C" drive unless there is a physical failure of the hard drive.

Now insert floppy "B" into the drive.

Now you're ready to copy the files you need to start the system enabling the upper memory area as well as to be able to access the cd rom drive. You will be working from the MSDos prompt: C:\>

Perform the following MSDos copy commands as noted, touching enter after each. It will look like this:

C:\>Copy A:Himem.sys C:
C:\>Copy A:Emm386.exe C:
C:\>Copy A:Mscdex.exe C:
C:\>Copy A:Config.sys C:
C:\>Copy A:Autoexec.bat C:
C:\>Copy A:OAKCDROM.SYS C:

Once these files are transferred, remove the floppy from the drive and reboot the system. The system should boot to the "C" drive and the cd rom drive should be accessible with drive "E" assigned to it as a drive letter.

C. Now you're ready to load Windows 98.

1. Insert the Windows 98 CD Rom disk into the drive and at the MSDos prompt type e:\setup and touch enter. It will look like this:

C:\>E:\setup <enter>

2. The install process will cause Scandisk to run to check the hard drive, just follow the on-screen prompts.

3. When scandisk finished, proceed with the installation. You will be given a choice between and typical install or custom. Choose custom and then choose each of the components you wish to install. You can make these choices by double clicking on each topic in the window and then checking the boxes for the various components.

4. Once Win98 has been installed, click Start, Settings, Control Panel, Device Manager tab and review the various devices looking for device problems if there are any. They will appear with either yellow question marks or red X's. Resolve these by applying various drivers that you have for those devices.

To resolve a device problem, install the driver and then, from within device manager, click on the errant device to highlight it and then click the remove button. Now restart the system. Win98 will find the device removed and attempt to reload the driver or it will ask you if you want to install a driver from those that you have saved. Apply or install them as necessary.

After resolving any device issues, you are ready to set up your system for internet access etc. Proceed with this as per your ISP's instructions. Once this has been accomplished, you are ready to register Windows 98 and then add your Windows 98 updates. You can accomplish this by logging onto the Internet and visiting the Windows 98 update site and automate the updates or visiting the MS download site for Win98 and download the updates and install them manually!
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You can backup your Outlook Express data to your "D" drive.

As for your Favorites, you can use Windows Explorer and copy the entire favorites folder to a temporary folder on the "D" drive and use drag and drop to restore it when you are finished and have reinstalled IE 5.

Questions?


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TedSennCommented:
Make a boot disk programs --> settings --> ctrl panel --> add/remove software --> make boot disk.

2) check to see if disk will access the CD before you commit any no reversible actions.
3) Boot floppy and format c:
4) Install from CD OS of your choice. If you only have upgrades (not full installs) you will need to install WIN95B then upgrade to WIN98.
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TedSennCommented:
I did say that if all you had were UPGRADES then install WIN95B and upgrade. The first part said to install the OS of your choice which  I assumed would be WIN98SE.
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dew_associatesCommented:
Ted, a Windows 98 or Windows 98SE "upgrade" CD can be used for a full install. An "Update" disk cannot!
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JCT080399Author Commented:
Thanks for the info, but here's my OS.  When I bought the computer from Quantex it came with Win 95 OS2, I upgraded it with the upgraded version of Win 98.  Since then I have used the Win 98 SE updated cd from MicroSoft ($19.95) version.  So again do I install Win 95 first or Win 98 or Win 98 SE?

Thanks again

Jeff
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JCT080399Author Commented:
One more thing, there is nothing on this system as far as address book or E-Mail to save, this is one backup step I can skip.

Jeff
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dew_associatesCommented:
Jeff, start the install with the Win98 CD (you can make a Win98 setup boot disk if you like before starting over). When the verification comes up, insert the 95 CD, then finish the load in. When you're all set, then apply the SE update.
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JCT080399Author Commented:
One more thing, there is nothing on this system as far as address book or E-Mail to save, this is one backup step I can skip.

Jeff
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dew_associatesCommented:
Yes Jeff, skip that part. I always include it as people ask me for it.
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JCT080399Author Commented:
I am reading over the information you've given and do appreciate the help.  I may have a few more questions before I start this, may I ask more?

Thanks Jeff
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dew_associatesCommented:
Of course!
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JCT080399Author Commented:
Dennis

I did as you instructed I created a new Win 98 start disk.  I was asked to put the 98 SE disk in to create the startup disk.

Next I created the two disks A & B.

I located the files you instructed, and yes there was a config.sys file and a autoexec.bat file.  The following is now the contents of those files on each disk, tell me if this is what you want.

Disk A)  config.sys file

DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\HIMEM.SYS
DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\EMM386.EXE
DEVICE=\winbak\command\TOSHIBA.SYS /D:MSCD000 /N:1 /P:220
DEVICE=A:\HIMEM.SYS
DEVICE=A\EMM386.EXE NOEMS
DEVICE=A:\OAKCDROM.SYS /D:MSCD001

The last three lines are those I added per instructions.

Disk A)  autoexec.bat file

@ECHO OFF
SET BLASTER=A220 I7 D1 T2
SET SNDSCAPE=C:\WINDOWS
PROMPT $p$g
PATH C:\WINDOWS;C\WINDOWS\COMMAND;C:winbak\comman;c\
SET MSINPUT=C:\MSINPUT
rem - By Windows Setup - LH C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\MSCDEX.EXE /D:MSCD000 if exist c:\winbak\rescue call c:\winbak\resetup
A:MSCDEX.EXE /D:MSCD001

The last line is added per instructions.

Disk B)  config.sys file

DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\HIMEM.SYS
DEVICE=C:WINDOWS\EMM386.EXE
DEVICE=winbak\command\TOSHIBA.SYS /D:MSCD000 /N:1 P:220
DEVICE=C:HIMEM.SYS
DEVICE=C:EMM386.EXE NOEMS
DEVICE=C:OAKCDROM.SYS /D:MSCD001

The last three lines added per instructions.

Disk B) autoexec.bat file

@ECHO OFF
SET BLASTER=A220 I7 D1 T2
SET SNDSCAPE=C:\WINDOWS
PROMPT $p$g
PATH C:\WINDOWS;C\WINDOWS\COMMAND;C\winbak\command;c\
SET MSINPUT=C:\MSINPUT
rem - By Windows Setup - LH C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\MSCDEX.EXE /D:MSCD000 if exist c:\winbak\rescue call c:\winbak\resetup
C:MSCDEX.EXE /D:MSCD001

The last line added per instructions.

Dennis does look the way it should before I proceed.

Thanks Jeff
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dew_associatesCommented:
A great start Jeff, but we need to make some changes though.

Change the files as follows:

Disk A)  config.sys file

DEVICE=A:\HIMEM.SYS
DEVICE=A\EMM386.EXE NOEMS
DEVICE=A:\OAKCDROM.SYS /D:MSCD001

The last three lines are those I added per instructions.

Disk A)  autoexec.bat file

A:\MSCDEX.EXE /D:MSCD001


Disk B)  config.sys file

DEVICE=C:\HIMEM.SYS
DEVICE=C:\EMM386.EXE NOEMS
DEVICE=C:\OAKCDROM.SYS /D:MSCD001

Disk B) autoexec.bat file

C:\MSCDEX.EXE /D:MSCD001

What these are for Jeff is that in the event you have a problem, all of the files you need to restore your system and load 98 are available.

As for the Win98 SE boot disk, once you have partitioned the drive the way you want it, and then formatted it (by the way, make sure that format.com is on the Win98 boot disk), then you can reboot to the Win98 setup disk, choose "With CD Rom support" and load windows 98. The disks, "A" and "B" are purely for the purpose of providing you with a way back if you get into any trouble.

What I would like you to do is test disk "A" and the Win98 boot disk to make sure they both work and that you have access to your cd rom drive after booting to each one.



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JCT080399Author Commented:
Dennis

Format.com is not on the windows 98 SE boot disk, should I add this and where do I get it, from the CD or from the current OS?

The following is a list of files on the boot disk:

Aspi2dos.sys
Aspi4dos.sys
Aspi8dos.sys
Aspi8u2.sys
Aspicd.sys
Autoexec
Btcdrom.sys
Btdosm.sys
Command
Config.sys
Drvspace
Ebd   (this is a zip file)
Ebd.sys
Extract
Fdisk
Findramd
Flashpt.sys
Himem.sys
Io.sys
Msdos.sys
Oakcdrom.sys
Ramdrive.sys
Readme
Setramd

Should I insert format.com??

Thanks Jeff
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JCT080399Author Commented:
Dennis

Format.com is not on the windows 98 SE boot disk, should I add this and where do I get it, from the CD or from the current OS?

The following is a list of files on the boot disk:

Aspi2dos.sys
Aspi4dos.sys
Aspi8dos.sys
Aspi8u2.sys
Aspicd.sys
Autoexec
Btcdrom.sys
Btdosm.sys
Command
Config.sys
Drvspace
Ebd   (this is a zip file)
Ebd.sys
Extract
Fdisk
Findramd
Flashpt.sys
Himem.sys
Io.sys
Msdos.sys
Oakcdrom.sys
Ramdrive.sys
Readme
Setramd

Should I insert format.com??

Thanks Jeff
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JCT080399Author Commented:
Dennis

Never mind I read the readme file and see that the zip file Ebd.cab has format.com in it.

Here goes I let you know what happens.

Jeff
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dew_associatesCommented:
Jeff, just use Find, Files and Folders and search for format.com and copy it to the floppy. If you boot to the floppy you can also copy from the ram disk that is created when you boot to the floppy.
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JCT080399Author Commented:
Dennis

Thanks for all the information and help, the install was successful.  The system is up and running great, no errors no problems.  Again thanks.

Jeff
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dew_associatesCommented:
Great Jeff, well done!
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