Help! 2nd HD doesn't show!

On my friend's p133 with a Quantum 1.6 gb HDD with Win95 A, I installed and formatted a new Maxtor 8.5 HD. All was well, and in order to preserve some data, after the Maxtor was installed, I copied info onto the first partition (FYI. FAT16 set the partitions at only 2gb each--the drive was last seen as D:,E:,F:,G:,H: drives, with info on D:) and I continued to reformat her original C: drive. She had Win95 A (original version) installed, and I installed Win 98 (not SE) for her. Still looking good until Win98 could NOT recognize the presence of the new HD! What happened? The BIOS (Amibios) checks out no problem. The drive has power (when I start "maxdiag.exe from Maxtor setup disk) but no indication of it being there in DOS or in Windows. I took her system home to check it further. I reformatted her original C: drive and installed the exact same "original Windows 95 A" hoping to recreate the conditions under which the new HD did in fact work. STILL nothing! This would be easy if I could simply use the "MaxBlast" software and setup the HD again--but it has data that must be saved! I've fiddled with the jumper settings (set as Sec Master/jumpers to full 16k heads and/or 4k heads--Sec Slave/same deal) to no avail. I have no conflicts or warnings in Device Mgr. There are two entries: "GENERIC DISK DRIVE TYPE 01" and "02" both function fine--I assume that "02" referrs to the new HD, but it's still not there.
Is there a way I can extract the info from the drive safely? Or install it completely with the data intact?
...or am I really screwed here?
thanks for all help!
Challin
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rayt333Connect With a Mentor Commented:
If you got all the info back now then use an upgrade copy of Win98 and install over top of Win95 and you should not lose anything.
Who ever built that and glued the connectors should have the whole thing stuck where the sun doesn't shine, that is about the most stupid thing I have heard.
I'm glad you got it
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ChallinAuthor Commented:
Edited text of question.
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amirmeCommented:
first- relax.
if the quantum, 1.6G, with win95 is
set as master,and it is the "c:"
you will not able to see any drive with higher windows,like 98!! (even if it ok in the bios)

set the 98 as master, make it the "c:"
and the quantum will be "d:" you will be
now able to see the 95 files, and copy
files between the disks.

just remmember that the logical drives in the MAXTOR will come after the quantum-which will be "d:".

good luck....
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ChallinAuthor Commented:
Sorry if I wasn't clear before. I don't want to set win98 on the new Maxtor (not looking to dual boot), and I will upgrade the original C: to Win98 only after I've retrieved the data left on the new HD. I cannot physically remove the original drive C: (the Quantum) because whatever moron built this system poured a non-conductive rubber cement over the ribbon connect at the 40pins on the HD--AS WELL AS all over the Primary slot on the motherboard! Ever see anything like that before? I haven't.
So what you're saying, AMIRME, is that I should load Win98 in order to "see" the new drive?
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rayt333Commented:
OK you said you could see them after you first installed the HD, correct? Then it is safe to assume you set the jumpers correctly.
OK now lets find out how you set the new HD up? Did you use Fdisk to make the partitions? Or did you use MaxBlast ?

I assuming you used MaxBlast, OK now did you format the original HD before installing Win98?  I'm betting you did and in doing so you erased the MaxBlast program from that drive which allowed you to see the new HD, what the MaxBlast does is allows the computer to see the partitions set up by it, without that software Windows cannot see the HD since it is using a special  form of FAT.

Have you tried setrting the Maxtor as master and see if it would boot up to it? If you used the copy feature of MaxBlast to copy your file from your original HD to the Maxtor then it should boot up. Temporary unhook the original HD to try this. (make sure you change the jumpers to master)
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ChallinAuthor Commented:
Also, in case you need this info....
To test the connection on the Secondary Master/Slave line, I have successfully removed the CDRom several times--as a stand alone Master, as a Secondary slave to the "non-working" HD, with both combos the CDRom functions fine. I'm having a hard time believing that this new HD would allow itself to be installed, formatted, partitioned, data copied onto--only THEN to punk out on me. I know some drives might do this, and taking it back isn't the issue, but I'd like to exhaust every possibility before that happens.
thanks!
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ChallinAuthor Commented:
rayt333....yes, all your assumptions are correct--but as I stated above (I just posted this) I can't physically remove the original drive. I also did not setup the new Maxtor to be a bootable drive! I Fdisked it, partitioned it, then yes, used MaxBlast on it--all the while Win95 A was loaded on C:...does that make a difference? I can't use MaxBlast again without losing the data placed on it since I first installed. Anyway to extract the data? Or setup the HD safely?
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rayt333Commented:
Did you copy the complete HD (C) to it (D partition)? or just certain files?
This unfortunely may turn into a learning experience for you, but you may lose all data you have on the HD.

OK some questions: Do you have the Maxtor set as slave on the same IDE ribbon as the original HD or set as master on the second IDE connector?
Can you change the jumper on the original HD to slave? this will not matter if the IDE cable does not have two connectors.
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ChallinAuthor Commented:
Actually, rayt333, I did copy the entire c: drive to the partition d: drive before it vanished. But since nothing can see it, where are you going with that? Also, since the original HD was glued to the Primary port on the motherboard AND to the 40pin plug on the HD itself by some vindictive comp tech in some backwater store earning less than minimum wage, I can't apply Primary slave place to anything--the cable does not physically reach any of the drive bays. The Maxtor is set to Secondary Master, stand alone, the CDRom has been removed entirely and will function properly if I set that to Secondary Slave. I have even taken the Maxtor to another computer--still nothing--the problem seems to migrate, leaving me to believe that it's the HD not the system.
I'm sorry if I sound a little punchy--this problem has been bugging me for about a week now, and my friend is not going to be pleased that I locked up her important data on her new HD that I endorsed to her, only to have the whole thing fail! I can make the HD work easily--but at the cost of the data left on it.
Anything else? Please?
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ChallinAuthor Commented:
HEY HEY! Guess what? I got it fixed! How I did it was a little strange, but in retrospect, makes sense. As you pointed out, rayt333, I used MaxBlast software to enable the HD itself, then I formatted the original drive--thereby losing the maxblast information ABOUT the existance of the new HD, right? Well, I booted the system with the MaxBlast disk in the floppy, it prompted me to setup the new drive (which I didn't want to do fearing lost data) and instead of setting it up, the advanced options asked me to "disable EZ-max" drivers. I said OK, and although it recommended I NOT do that--I did anyway. Out comes the disk, reboot, and voila! 5 drives appear before me! I'm offloading all info and will redo this whole setup properly. Now, rayt333, can you recommend the best way to setup win98 (I'll overlay an upgrade onto Win95) on the original drive..then reset the new HD to the proper size and specs? Even just a response to this and I'll award the points for the help you offered.
cheers!
Challin
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rayt333Commented:
Forgot, if all you have is an OEM version of Win98 you can still use it to install as an upgrade  (you have to rename the file "WIN.COM" to something else, like "WIN.OLD" and it should work
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ChallinAuthor Commented:
You're so very right about Chuckles the computer tech. Sheesh.
I'm upgrading to Win98 (yes, it's an upgrade copy) as I type this. And between you and me (and anyone else reading this), I'm SO glad I got this working--my friend might of killed me!

thanks again!
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amirmeCommented:
challin

so I see that after couple of havy comments between you and ray33, you
got to what I sayed from begining-

yes- upgrade tour 95 to 98, if you cant move them phisicly.

98 can "see" files of 98 on other disk, 95 cannot.
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rayt333Commented:
amirme
I think you missed the point? He did upgrade to Win98 at the beginning of the problem, when he still had Win95 he could see the new HD but when he formatted the first HD he erased the "MAXBLAST" software and when he installed Win98 then it could not see the new HD because the "Disk management" software was gone, once he reinstalled it then he could see the new HD again. If you would read the comments more carefully you will see this.
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