netware4.11 server setup

i wont help very sun if somoune can write me stap buy stap how can i install netware 4.11 novell
tanks very much
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d50041Commented:
boot server to DOS
put CD in server
type "install"
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danilopCommented:
Create a dos partition on the first hard disk ,a dos partition of at least
80/90 MB (the requirements are less,but a little more space for the
future is better),make this partition bootable,insert in your config.sys
the rights command to load the drivers for the cdrom,then boot from
this partition;change on the drive cd and launch the INSTALL command,
then read the istructions screen by screen.
The process is simple ,but the choise are infinite (how many disks,how
many volume do you want to create,block suballocation ....).
One thing to know is that you can create only a netware partition
for hard disk,then you can create in that partition how many volumes
do you want;and there is a volume named SYS that is fixed for
netware ,for system files.

BYE DAN
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mark2150Commented:
RTFM

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trathCommented:
Good one Mark....
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mark2150Commented:
The Novell manuals are quite explicit on how to do this. They are detailed, illustrated, and show you 100% of how to do it. If you don't *HAVE* the manuals then you're almost certainly pirating the Novell software...

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pwoolfordCommented:
Mark
He might have a demo version which can not be pirated but does not come with the books on disk CD.
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mark2150Commented:
Even the demos come with a "How to install" sheet...

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ZombiteCommented:
Geee ,I always wondered why my novell CD's were gold instead of red...and those photocopied manuals were a bit strange...but the generic floppy with 1000 user lic worked.

Seriously
I have a black folder from novell sitting on my desk with 15 cd's of demo/eval gear (not gold cd's) and not a manual in sight - so, yes it is possible to get CD's legit and not have manuals Mark.
Now if only I could get enought space to load that cobra thingy....
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SunBowCommented:
danilop,
For workplace env., consider upping that dos partition do accomodate available RAM for CoreDump potential.  
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DVincentCommented:
Based on a compaq server.

The best advise is to install and play.
You will learn by your mistakes.

1) You will need the Dos driver for your cdrom, Netware drivers for the hard disk controller & Network card.

Questions
A)What size hard drive do you have ?
B)Do you have enough ram to mount the disk and use the applications ?
C)Do you plan to upgrade to NW 5 ?
D)Plan your disk volumes and useage
E)Review an NDS design

Answers
A) A two gig scsi drive would be a good starting piont althought an IDE disk will work.
B) 32MB RAM recommend 64MB.
C) NW 5 use a scsi disk & 128MB Ram, loak at D for volume details.
D)dos partition 75 MB,SYS volume 1GB,DATA volume What you have left, BACK volume 500 MB for backup software.
E) NDS design is key, but for eval choose name you tree Home_T & your organization Home_org.

Remember F1 during the Netware Install will help...

Create and format DOS Partition.
1)Boot the server using your bootable DOS diskette.
2)Create a Primary DOS partition by running FDISK (15 MB, recommend a 75 MB).
3)Make the DOS Partition Active (MS-DOS) or Bootable (Novell DOS).
4)Choose Escape to exit FDISK. The system will reboot.
5)Format the server disk drive using the FORMAT utility.
      FORMAT C: /S          (MS-DOS)
FORMAT C: /S /X      (Novell DR-DOS)
NOTE  If the format command locks up the server, add the /QUIET command line parameter.
6)Create a C:\DOS directory. Copy the Compaq CD-ROM drivers (A:\DOS) and any DOS utilities to this directory. The Compaq CD-ROM drivers can also be found in the \DOS directory of the Compaq Support Software for Novell Products (NSSD) diskette #1.

Load Device Drivers.
1)Create a C:\CONFIG.SYS that looks similar to the following:
FILES=20
BUFFERS=20
REM The following two lines are for Compaq SCSI CD-ROM drives
REM These are not needed if you use Compaq IDE CD-ROM drives
DEVICE=\DOS\FWS2ASPI.SYS /CTLR1
DEVICE=\DOS\FWS2CD.SYS /D:CPQCDROM
REM The following line is for Compaq IDE CD-ROM drives
REM This line is not needed if you use Compaq SCSI CD-ROM drives
DEVICE=\DOS\CPQIDECD.SYS /D:CPQCDROM
2)Create a C:\AUTOEXEC.BAT file that looks similar to the following:
@ECHO OFF
PROMPG $P$G
SET PATH=C:\DOS;C:\;
MSCDEX /L:E /M:40 /D:CPQCDROM
3)Remove all CDs and diskettes from the server and reboot.
4)Copy the latest Compaq LAN drivers and disk drivers to the C: drive.
Make a C:\NWUPDATE directory
            MD C:\NWUPDATE
In the following steps, if you are asked to confirm overwrites, answer 'yes' or 'yes to all.'
Insert the SmartStart and Support Software CD-ROM into your CD-ROM drive (E:)

Copy E:\CPQSUPSW\NSSD\NETWORK\*.*      C:\NWUPDATE\*.*
            Copy E:\CPQSUPSW\NSSD\SCSI\*.*            C:\NWUPDATE\*.*
            Copy E:\CPQSUPSW\NSSD\DRV_ARRY\*.*      C:\NWUPDATE\*.*
            Copy E:\CPQSUPSW\NSSD\FIBRE\*.*            C:\NWUPDATE\*.*
            Copy E:\CPQSUPSW\NSSD\IDE\3X_4X\*.*      C:\NWUPDATE\*.*
            Copy E:\CPQSUPSW\NSSD\NWPA\4X\*.*      C:\NWUPDATE\*.*
            Copy E:\CPQSUPSW\NSSD\SMP\4X\*.*      C:\NWUPDATE\*.*

Install NetWare 4.11 operating system.

1.Insert the NetWare 4.11 Operating System CD.
2.Make the CD-ROM the active drive (E:)
3.Change directories to the directory with the INSTALL.BAT  (E:\)
4.Execute Install.bat from you cd.
5.Choose the language (English) and press <Enter>
6.Review Terms & conditions and press <Enter> 4 times.
7.Choose "NetWare 4.11 Server Installation." and press <Enter>.
8.Choose "Custom Installation of NetWare 4.11" and press <Enter>.
9.Type the server name in the field provided and press <Enter>.
10.Either accept the randomly generated IPX internal network number or enter a new one, and press <Enter>. You can't assign an IPX internal network number of "0" or "FFFFFFFF". The IPX internal network number identifies and advertises this server on the network.
11.Review source & target path and press <Enter>.
12.Set country code and keyboard code to United kingdom and press <Enter>.
13.Reply No to special startup commands
14.Reply No to add commands to autoexec.bat as this will reboot your system.
      
The server.exe will run and then scan your cd for disk and LAN drivers

15.Select additional Lan drivers and choose the appropiate driver (3c5x9.Lan) not if the card is plug & play then you will not be prompted. Configure the LAN card and choose the default protocols.
NOTE : The Novell installation does not detect newer Compaq drivers in the C:\NWUPDATE directory.  During the auto-detection phase of the installation, choose 'Continue without selecting driver' when you are given a choice.  Follow the instructions below to use Compaq drivers with Compaq hardware.  Compaq recommends that you do not use IDEATA.HAM until after the installation of NetWare 4.11 Support Pack.

If you are prompted to choose between mount the CD as a volume or access the CD by DOS drivers, choose access the CD by DOS drivers. Mounting the CD as a volume before installing NetWare 4.11 Service and Support Pack may cause the server to lock-up.

You will be allowed to edit the STARTUP.NCF file during the installation. Please make sure that NWPA.NLM and CPQSHD.CDM are loaded first in STARTUP.NCF. Each driver should only be loaded once.  Only IDEATA.HAM require parameters for loading. To ensure proper loading of drivers, remove parameters for the other disk and array drivers.
 
a)At the Driver Summary screen, press <ALT-ESC> to reach the server console.
b)At the server console, type "load C:\NWUPDATE\NWPA.NLM".
c)At the server console, type "load C:\NWUPDATE\CPQSHD.CDM".
d)At the server console, press <ALT-ESC> to return to Driver Summary screen.
e)At the Driver Summary screen, Select additional or modify selected Disk/LAN drivers.
f)Highlight Disk and CD-ROM Drivers and press <Enter>.
g)Choose Deselect a selected driver to remove ALL pre-selected drivers.
h)Choose Select an additional driver and press <Enter>.
i)Press <Insert> at the Disk Driver list.
j)Press <F3> to specify a different path.
k)Type "C:\NWUPDATE" and press <Enter>.
l)Select the appropriate drivers for your Compaq hardware. For disk and array drivers, you do not have to enter any parameters (i.e., slot number)
m)Answer Yes to the Load Additional Drivers & select any remaining drivers as required.
n)Select Continue Installation.
o)At the Driver Summary screen, Select additional or modify selected Disk/LAN drivers..
p)Highlight Network (LAN) Drivers and press <Enter>.
q)Choose Deselect a selected driver to remove ALL pre-selected drivers.
r)Choose Select an additional driver and press <Enter>.
s)Press <Insert> at the LAN Driver list.
t)Press <F3> to specify a different path.
u)Type "C:\NWUPDATE" and press <Enter>.
v)Select the appropriate drivers for your Compaq hardware. Answer No to Save existing driver questions. You will have to enter a slot number for your network card.
w)Answer Yes to load any remaining network drivers as required by your hardware.
x)Select Continue Installation.
y)At the Driver Summary screen, select Continue Installation.

Repeat the above steps with driver diskette(s) for non-Compaq LAN and disk hardware. Please consult Novells instructions and the hardware manufacturers manuals for help on how to load the correct drivers.

16.Create the NetWare partition manually and continue
17.You are prompted to use all available free space, press <Enter> to continue.
18.to create a volume segment, Highlight the free space and press <Enter>. Make this a new segment.
19.Enter SYS for the volume name and select the size (xxx MB). Press F10 3 times and choose Yes to save segment changes.
20.The program may attempt to mount the cd as a NetWare volume, this will cause an error press <Enter>, read the console message and press <Enter>to continue.  
21.Review source and target and press <Enter> to continue.
 
install program will now prompt you to configure NDS
      
22.Choose YES this is the First Netware Server on the Network.
23.Enter the name of the NDS tree (NDS_tree). NB this is unique if you want to install 4.11 as single standalone servers like 3.12.
24.Select the time zone (Great Britain)
25.Review options and press F10 to continue
26.Add the company or organisation name and press <Enter>.
27.Add the password and this will confirm with a verification (password). Make a note of the details displayed. (cn=admin.o=org and the password=password).
28.Reply YES to save directory information and review information displayed.
29.Press F9 if you do not have a licence disk or insert diskette to a:\
30.Press F10 to save startup.ncf
31.Press F10 to save autoexec.ncf
32.Choose continue installation.
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SunBowCommented:
DVincent,
Step by step numbered and lettered, I am very favorably impressed. Hope you return here frequently.
 0509825272,
I recommend acceptance of proposed answer
Anyone else still here,
I have some interest in viable examples. Like for the dos part, does anyone accomodate coredump. Whether yes/no, why. Both examples above should do well for most M$ stuff, patches and the like. Maybe even A/V, I haven't been in that area lately.
But also, what about SYS? I thought 300 MB was the norm awhile, then 500MB was needed for awhile, but that admins have upped that to a gig for 'normal'. Any opinions....
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DVincentCommented:
Become a technical and watch the vid's via the wide wide west.
http://www.novell.com/passport/technical/tvideo.html

The coredump can be used be sent to novell in order to resolve crashing problems. Note this Historic functional was most useful for pre netware 4 as is was very painfull to solve server crashs.

The sys volume is now large because of additional function of NDS and ingrated application that now run on the Netware server. ie Netsacpe Fast Track Web Server,Zenworks etc.
The guidue to follow is you just building a basic file & print server double the minimum + 100 MB

sys volume minimum

Hardware Requirements      4.11/ 4.2
Processor            386 +      
Ram (min)            20 MB
Ram (max)            4 GB      
Dos partition (min)      15 MB      
Dos partition (rec)      75 MB      
Netware partition (min)      100 MB
Netware partition (rec)      Remaining space      
Disk Storage (max)      32 TB      NSS
Volumes per server      64            
Volumes per partition      8            
Directory Entries (VOL)      16,777,216      
Network Card (min)      1
Network Card (max)      4

NetWare’s maximum disk volume size is 32TB which can span over 32 volumes (64 Volumes is the max on one server, 8  volumes per single Netware partition).
I would recommend a maximum size of 100 MB for a DOS.
      
Install NetWare 4.11 Service and Support Pack

Compaq recommends that you install the latest NetWare 4.11 Support Pack to your server.
You may download the support pack from http://support.novell.com/misc/patlst.htm.

Intranetware 4.11 service pack installation from an internet download.

1.      Copy the unzipped patch to the root directory of the sys volume.
2.      Load install.nlm
3.      choose product option.
4.      choose install producted not listed
5.      Press F3 to specify different path (sys:iwsp5b\, sys:iwsp6a, sys:iwsp7).
      
      This patch could be on another server (nw312\sys:iwsp5b\). You will need to login to the server before you can install the patch across the Lan or Wan. Recommend coping the patch to the server you are installing it on, just in case of a network failure during the install.
      
6.      Review options and then accept defaults, F10 to continue.
7.      Once complete, down the server and execute restart server command.
 
Note only the installed products on that server will be patch, if you access the Netware CD then you will need to re apply the service pack.

Compaq provides Novell's Support Pack 6 for NetWare 4.11 in the \IWSPACK\ENGLISH directory of the SmartStart and Support Software CD.  Compaq also provides GZIP.NLM and TAR.NLM to decompress and un-archive the support pack.  

NOTE: There must be 225 MB of free space on your SYS: volume to perform the installation.  The support pack is stored on the CD in an archived and compressed format.  If available, you may use standard GZIP and TAR (DOS or Windows compatible) executables to decompress and un-archive the support pack files from a DOS or Windows workstation.  
Follow these instructions to use the provided GZIP.NLM and TAR.NLM to install Novell Support Pack 6 for NetWare 4.11 to your server.

a)      Copy the SPACK.TAZ, GZIP.NLM, and TAR.NLM from the \IWSPACK\ENGLISH directory of the SmartStart and Support Software CD to the root of the SYS: volume. You may use Novell's NetBasic utility, Compaq's CPQFM.NLM utility*, or any other utility to perform the copy.
b)      Uncompress the SPACK.TAZ file using the GZIP.NLM.
      LOAD LONG.NAM
      ADD NAME SPACE LONG SYS
      LOAD SYS:\GZIP.NLM -d -N SPACK.TAZ
The result will be a SPACK.TAR file at the root of the SYS: volume.
c)      Un-archive the SPACK.TAR file using the TAR.NLM.
            LOAD SYS:\TAR.NLM -x -fSPACK.TAR
 
TITLE:      NOVELL NETWARE FOR ENGINEERS LAB

SUBTITLE:      SERVICE PACK & COMPAQ NSSD’S
      
The result will be a directory called SYS:ZIPDST that contains all the files in Support Pack 6.
d)      At the server console, LOAD INSTALL..
e)      Choose Product Options.
f)      Choose Install a product not listed and press F3 key to change the path.
g)      Delete A:\ and specify SYS:\ZIPDST.
h)      Follow online instructions to complete the installation.
* Compaq's CPQFM.NLM utility is located on the SmartStart and Support Software CD in the \SSNW\INSTALL\DEVTOOLS\ directory.  A ZIP format CPQFM.NLM is also available in the \LABTOOLS\CPQTOOLS\ directory of the Compaq Power Resource Paq for Novell CD.  The self-extracting CPQFM.EXE can be run on any Windows workstation.

NOTE: After the installation of the operating system and the NetWare 4.11 Service and Support Pack, you will be asked to reboot the server. Compaq recommends that you complete the NSSD installation before rebooting. Using the Compaq Support Software Utility to install NSSD will ensure that the drivers load correctly upon reboot.

Installing Compaq NetWare Support Software Diskettes

Use Compaq Support Software Utility to install NSSD to your server.

a)      Insert the SmartStart and Support Software CD in the CD-ROM drive.
b)      LOAD E:\CPQSUPSW\NSSD\PINSTALL.NLM
c)      Press <ENTER> to begin analyzing drivers
d)      Select and Mark Compaq NWPA Storage Support, ODI Network Support.  The remaining selections are optional based upon your server hardware and requirements.
e)      Press <Tab> to bring up main menu
f)      Choose Install Selected Files. If you are asked to confirm downgrade, choose not to.
g)      When all files are copied, exit Compaq Support Software Utility.

Install Additional Compaq Software.

1)       Install the Compaq Integration Maintenance Utility.
a)      Insert the SmartStart and Support Software CD into a CD-ROM drive.
b)      Load INSTALL.NLM  at the server console
c)      Choose Product Options and press the Insert Key to install a new product.
d)      Enter the path to the Compaq Integration Maintenance Utility.  E:\SSNW\CIMU

Once installed, the Compaq Integration Maintenance Utility will auto-load. You can also type LOAD CPQMAINT at the console to load it. The Compaq Integration Maintenance Utility can be used to install Compaq Insight Management Agents and Compaq Survey Utility for NetWare.

The installation of NetWare 4.11 is complete. Remove all CD's and diskettes from your server.  DOWN, EXIT, and reboot your server.

NOTE: Compaq recommends that you delete the C:\NWUPDATE directory after the installation. This directory can cause driver conflicts if you upgrade to another product.
 
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SunBowCommented:
gawrsh, 20MB ram on 386? cheez.
250 MD support pack on 100 MB SYS:
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for 4.1x
My own experience with coredump was no help, just got recommends for downloading latest patches from web to all sites. Like TCP.NLM etc. This was not doable, especially weekly across the corporation, or even more frequently.
CoWorkers, on the other hand, got decent enough answers about half the time.  Mostly, it is our own fault for doing too much 3rd party at same time, not just doing one upgrade, then waiting to ensure stability.  In those cases the coredump answer quite often points at the last change that we made (which is an almost intuitive deduction, not requiring lengthy coredump analysis). These products also have often had prehistory of crashing servers when upgrading, and it seems like it is getting more difficult these days to go back to prior configuration, just cross fingers another patch will come (in time).
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SunBowCommented:
For anyone here not familiar,
When the server crashes, quite often it names the offender it caught.  Issue is that the real culprit may have done minor damage, that does not kill server immediately, but it is damage that another process cannot handle on its own.  So an Abend error message in 4.1x may not indicate the real culprit, while the culprit's footsteps may still remain traceable though the coredump function. The amount of server RAM is going up each year, and it is this amount of additional disk space needed to use the coredump function.
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DVincentCommented:
any one how builds a server to the minimum server spec's will have no room to expand or update..

I have never sent a core dump to Novell or tried to analyse the dump.

I have always found that some load module has a bug or the system was asked to perform an illegal function by a third party NLM

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SunBowCommented:
Fortunate for you, I have similar where 3rd party translates to alternate company for A/V, S/W licence, archiving, and the like.  I wasted too much time on coredump things for what Novell calls non-core (like 3rd party) items that include tcp, snmp, telnet, and any NLM relevant to non-ipx traffic.  My hands got tied when their recommendation was remove all non-core products to see if servers can stay up longer.  Not possible for me to remove from network and remove all 3rd party and non-core NLM and still call it an enterprise server. I suspect the over the yrs some of their expertise has moved on - elsewhere, either before or because of their thoughts on being big web company.

That said, If anyone reads this, I bear witness also to Novell server stability. If you've had it up for a couple weeks, and leave it alone, it may just disappear from agendas by staying running well for you for another three years.  (caveat, don't tell anyone, they just may go look at it and tweak it 'their way' and get if highlighted as another agenda item - needing some upgrade or other).

I still find the server uptimes of over a year quite remarkable, pats on back to Netware there.
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SunBowCommented:
Ummm, Unicon, TCPcon InetCFG .... other kinds of non-core stuff, go talk to your 3rd party supplier...
We also LIKE filtering of broadcasts, which I believe is still not supported by Novell, but I highly recommend if you move on from LAN to WAN.  In modern era of Cisco and high RAM allocations, it isn't as big a deal. If you can run the latest h/w for WAN.
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