Need Advise to Net 2 pc's together

Hello All !!

(A special hey to Dew!).  Here is my situation.  I have 2 pc's (a Win 98 pc, and the other a Win 95 pc.)  The Win 98 pc is connected to a cable modem, soon to be DSL with a NIC card (D-link 10-100Mb).  The Win 95 is not connected to the internet. What is the best way to connect the Win 95 pc to the existing cable modem, thus "sharing" the internet connection. Also I wish to share certain files and a printer.  I do not own any other cables, hubs, or bridges (its a good thing, because I wouldn't know what to do with one anyway).   Any ideas, or best suggestions?
multisonikAsked:
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TurcoCommented:
do you have NIC's on both of tour PC's (or you paln to have)?
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pluimCommented:
Computer 1 (Win98) will need two network cards - one for the cable modem, one for the LAN.
Computer 2 (Win95) needs one network card.

These cards are pretty cheap, $20-$25 each. The easiest way is to get a "combi" card, one that supports both twisted pair and coax cables, and use coax. You'll need a coax cable plus two terminators (another $20 or so). Usually you can buy all this in a package at your local computer superstore.

Installing the cards and cable is pretty simple. The Win98 PC will be the "master" in the network, the Win95 PC will be the slave.
You can find extremely detailed instructions on how to share your cable modem with another computer at

http://www.annoyances.org/win98/features/ics.html

Technical info (if interested):
Both computers will be setup with a TCP/IP address. This is an "internal" address only, and pulled from a group of addresses specially reserved for this kind of setup. The Win95 pc uses the Win98 pc as its router (i.e. traffic director). The Win98 pc simply fowards data from the 95 machine on to the internet, and vice versa.

Sharing files and printers is easy. Once everything is set up, doubleclick on Network Neighbourhood. Check if "File and Print sharing for Microsoft networks" is present. If not, click "Add - Service". Select Microsoft from the list. Select "File and Print sharing".

pluim.
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TurcoCommented:
plium, did you ever used Win98 ICS before??? I'm not.

multisonik:
This will work but you should know it will not working very well...
and some remarks:
- You MUST have Win98 SE
- I don't propose to use coaxial network connection but you can use Category 5 (or 4) crossover cable for connecting 2 computers (only)directly from NIC to NIC. for using 3th and more computers hou should have a HUB. This way you can use chipper and better TP NICs.
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dew_associatesCommented:
Hi Multisonik!

I guess pluim didn't read the intro that you posted. If you're going to be using DSL, you may want to rethink about using the Dlink card, as they could be a problem. If the company is giving it to you, that's another thing. Our recommendation is to use 3COM. You do have choices here, and it is a toss up. No matter how you look at it, you need three network cards. Two for the pseudo server and one for the workstation. As for the two for connecting the two PC's, they can be 10Base-T or 100Base-T (either shielded cable or Cat 5 cable with a hub).

Besides the DSL NIC, you will need:

If using shielded cable:

(a) 2 NICs
(b) a length of shielded cable with connectors on each end.
(c) 2 "T" connectors
(d) 2 gorunding terminators.

If using cat5 cable:

(a) 2 NICs
(b) two lengths of CAT5 cable to go from the two PC's to a hub.
(c) a hub device

Unfortunately pluim's answer doesn't go all that far, and the URL while providing some info, is a bit overkill as the person who wrote it apparently hasn't a clue as to networking as they have included both TCP/IP and NETBui, and NETBui isn't necessary.

I would recommend that you start with DSL and get that running properly first. Make sure you thoroughly understand what it takes to setup DSL, then you will have a better understanding of setting up the system.
Dennis
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pluimCommented:
Dew, Turco, I totally agree with your comments regarding using a hub or crossover cables and not using coax.
However, coax is both the simplest and cheapest setup, and if all you're only hooking up two computers, a hub is an overkill.
Multisonic's question states he or she doesn't own any hubs, and wouldn't know what to do with one. So I figured the less components the better.

As for using Win98 ICS - I have it set up at home and it works like a charm, certainly a lot easier than any of the other software proxies/ routers I've used.

All the offers I've seen for DSL (Bellsouth, GTE etc) include setup - a technician installs the card, configures the software and hooks up the cables for you. The service provider chooses the card for you, in other words you don't have a choice.

On a more abstract note, the best answer is not always the best technical solution. Since the intent here is clearly to allow both computers to browse the web simultaneously, recommending a hub because you can use better network cards is an overkill. In this setup, the LAN will not be the bottleneck.

pluim.

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dew_associatesCommented:
Pluim, I have no clue what you are referring to, I have not suggested that Multisonik not use coax. As a matter of fact, for an easy to use system as small as this, he could go either way, whichever suits his purpose.

As for your comments regarding a hub and better cards, again I have no clue what you are referring to. My suggestion was merely that he use better cards for no other reason than reliability and ease of installation.

As for network bottlenecks, I think you may want to sit down with a pencil and paper and the network facts before making that assumption. All networks have overhead!
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pluimCommented:
Dew,

The items of confusion were actually comments from Turco, I kind of lumped them altogether because I didn't want to make it personal, and stay focused on the problem.

I can vaguely remember calculating network propagation speeds and signal/noise ratio's....haven't been able to supress those memories completely yet :)
What I meant was that the lag between the Internet, the ISP and the Win98 box outweighs any network overhead between the two PCs by about 5000%.

You're right about buying quality hardware. A flaky network card or cheap terminator can cause many frustrating hours of debugging.

pluim.
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multisonikAuthor Commented:
Hello Everyone,

Thanks for all your help in advance.  To address some questions and to add a few comments: I only have 1 NIC card (the d-link) installed in the Win 98 pc with the cable modem.  The Win 95 pc does NOT have a NIC card installed.  Also, as a side note, I did not have any problems with installing the D-link card on the Win 98 pc and I figured that was a "trustworthy, problem free" card. I could be wrong though as I have no expierence with other cards.  Also, I didn't think I needed a "dls" nic card as I thought a Nic card that works for cable modem using a cat 5 cable, should work with DLS, no ?  Please advise.

Also, I am very interested in ease of set up as I am not too familiar with networks.  After reading your answer Dennis, It seems that the CAT 5 cable is the easiest way to go.  I'll be picking the DSL installer's mind for further advise as well.   Plus as a last resort, I've always got Experts-Exchange !

I am open to further input but please remember I am looking for ease of set-up.  I would hate to try it on my own, and then have to call a pro to come into my home at $70 per hour to fix my problem.  I know i can do this, but the first time is always the most diffucult.

Finally, I have rejected the proposed answer.  Not that it wasn't exceptable, I want to allow a few more exchange's of more infobefore I make a final decision.

Point amount has been increased due to the complexity if this question.
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multisonikAuthor Commented:
Adjusted points to 200
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multisonikAuthor Commented:
One other question about the "Win 98 ICS"  I believe that it the Internet Connection Sharing only available in Win 98 se ?  IF so, that may not work with my Win 95 pc, or will it ?  Any comments would be appreciated.
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dew_associatesCommented:
Not a problem multisonik!

As for the DSL upgrade, I would leave the issue to them as to the card. If at all possible, uninstall the cable modem completely along with the card and remove all of the networking protocols. Clean it out completely. That way when the installer arrives, you'll have a clean system to work with. Also, by following their recommendations you are laying any problems that may arise right at their feet.

As for the other NICs, I still recommend 3COM. As a whole, they have the best overall record for support and drivers, and their tech support is better than average.

In this case you'll need two lengths of CAT5, a hub and 2 NICs. While their are deals out their in the $70 to $100, my recommendation is simple and easy. Buy the best you can afford. You'll save yourself 10 times that in headaches.

Now, as for ICS, the 98 machine must be the psuedo server or master. From that you will make a setup disk for the workstation. This works best on Win98 machines, but it works equally well on either version of Win95 with exception of the first version. Make sure that this machine is fully up to date with the Win95 updates and fixes and that it is YR2K ready.

Last but not least, read the instructions carefully and make sure that you understand each step. Do a walk through if need be so that you understand what needs to be done.
Dennis
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dew_associatesCommented:
Multisonic, as you work through this change to DSL and start assembling the network and ICS, come back here as I would like to follow it along with you. Let me know how it goes with the DSL installer.
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multisonikAuthor Commented:
Thanks Dew !!

AKA Dennis.

PS. For future knowledge, my name is Anthony
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dew_associatesCommented:
Hi Anthony!  Happy Holidays!
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