Can't ping from win98

Does anyone know why a computer running win98 can't ping other computers? The network is setup correctly (using coaxial), cable is ok, protocol is TCP/IP with correct subnet and correct IP addresses. However, from win98 machine, I can't ping other computers, but the other computers can ping each other. Any idea? Thank you very much!
beneflexAsked:
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menitoCommented:
Sounds like your TCP/IP settings are incorrect on this machine. I would check all of the settings in Network properties.  Also check this machine's host file (c:\windows\hosts) against another machine.

I would try to ping the IP address of another machine on your lan. (run winipcfg on the other machine to get this info) If you can ping the IP adress but not the machine name, you're not reaching your WINS server.

In any case check all of your TCP/IP settings.
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PufferCommented:
can't answer this without more info - what response does windows give when you try to ping?  
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TokeMUpCommented:
Beneflex, Can you try to do a ipconfig in a dosbox and try to ping his own ip address. This is called a loopback test.

I had the same problem ones, but if a used the diagnostic program that came with my cards (3com) there was no respons also.
Afther some time the card on the other side responded. And the network is working fin now.

I thing there where some problems with the mac address of the network card.

Allso had problems with ATX and network cards ---> If a did a coldboot the network whas fine. And if I did a warmboot the network card had some problems resetting the mac address. Thats a known problem with network cards and ATX.
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jatcanCommented:
Make sure the gateway on the problem machine is correct. INput it manually if you have to.DBLCHCK all domain names to make sure you got no comas instead of periods, dblchck the cable is connected firmly. List the stats of the problem machine and the (acting)server here.

jatcan
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jatcanCommented:
One more thing, sometimes we see this problem at my work and a simple re-installation of the tcp/ip stack solves the problem.......


Jatcan
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beneflexAuthor Commented:
Well, I checked the TCP/IP setting and it looked correct. The gateway is right. Everyting seems perfect. I could even ping localhost and its assigned static IP address. But no matter what I did, I couldn't ping other machines (ip address nor machine name). Note that if I install win95/NT, then everything seems fine. I don't know whether the problem is the incompatibility of hardware or not.
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jatcanCommented:
how many pc's an network and what OS's are they running?

Jatcan
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PufferCommented:
what response does ping give - network unreachable or a time out?
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beneflexAuthor Commented:
I have 3 pc's: one is running NT workstation, and the other two running win98. I get time out message.
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beneflexAuthor Commented:
I have 3 pc's: one is running NT workstation, and the other two running win98. I get time out message.
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dew_associatesCommented:
Beneflex, as I see it, you have one NT box and one 98 box running fine, it's just a problem with the second Win98 box. Faced with the same problem, here's what I would do, in this order.

On the errant 98 box:

1. Boot into safemode.

2. Go into control panel, networking and remove all of the nics and protocols, clean it out.

3. Now go into device manager and remove the NIC device. Check all areas for duplicate device entries. If there are any duplicates or triplicates, remove all!

4. Now go into add/remove programs and remove the networking components.

5. Now shut the box down and remove the NIC.

6. Boot into a command prompt only (F8 Key at boot), change directories to \Windows\command. Now type SCANREG/FIX<enter>

7. Now reboot normally.

8. Now shut down and reinstall the NIC and then boot and reinstall the drivers and make sure there are no device errors.

9. Now reinstall networking and setup your protocols and IP addresses and subnets as necessary and test the system.

If this doesn't work, take a hard look at the NIC. You may want to swap it out with the one from the known good win98 box and repeat the process.
Dennis
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RandybCommented:
First things first ...try the above but first try pinging yourself !
Eliminate internal errors before looking at the network.

good luck ...seems you have plenty of support here !
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LermitteCommented:
Did you have setup the networkcard to working with BNC and not UTP if it is a Combi card..

Mario
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BrainMasterCommented:
since your using coax, are you using T's and terminators at EACH computer? You can't plug the wire directly into the nics anywhere on the wire. also what are the actual ips and subnet masks for each card did you give? does winipcfg for the nics show the correct ip?
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beneflexAuthor Commented:
Hi guys,

Nohting worked! I tried everything what you guys said, even reinstall win98 from scratch. I don't kow what's causing the problem. But I guess it's the hardware. Anyway, I'm really appreciate all your help!

beneflex
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dew_associatesCommented:
Beneflex, there's something going on in either your network hardware or a setting. I just ran a ping across a small 5 Win98 box system without a problem. The Win98 boxes are a mix of 98 and 98SE.
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LermitteCommented:
Remove all your coax cables. Go on one PC. Do a ping to you local adress:Like
ping 192.168.168.1, if you have a reply then this is O.K.
Go to the second PC, do the same thing with that IP adress if this O.K. Place a cable with T's and terminators (PC did you use the good terminators with 50 ohms) Are you cables also 50 ohms and not TV-coax?? If so try to ping these two PC's. If this works, go to the last PC, ping first local Ip adress and if this is O.K. then install the second cable. Terminator form the first to the second cable. What if you do this.

Mario
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BrainMasterCommented:
still there beneflex?
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beneflexAuthor Commented:
Well, I'm sure it's the hardware problem or it's not compatible with windows 98. Motherboard,maybe? Cable is correct, so do the terminators. I even swapped out the NIC. I can ping its local address, either localhost or its assigned IP (192.168.1.10). So I think network configuration is right. Also, if I installed NT then everything worked fine. This is weird!
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dew_associatesCommented:
What logon, protocols and settings etc are you using on the Win98 box?
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dew_associatesCommented:
Beneflex?
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beneflexAuthor Commented:
Logon: Windows Client Logon
Protocol: TCP/IP, All computers are setup correctly

That's it, nothing else! I have another Win98 box with the same network configuration like the one that I'm having problem with and it's working fine.
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dew_associatesCommented:
Change the logon to Client for Microsoft Networks and then reboot both systems. Do you have the ID's for both boxes setup properly with the same workgroup but different ID's and computer info?
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dew_associatesCommented:
Beneflex??
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dew_associatesCommented:
Beneflex, I am blocking this question for now to take it off of the open items I have. Let me know when you're ready to proceed with this.
Dennis
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centervCommented:
Ping from a dos box is not 100% reliable due to diff configs.

Try this method

Ping 127.0.0.1 , a loopback address. If you  receive replies your basic TCP/IP setup is working.

ping a  web site using the numerical IP address;   This establishes that
your internet connection is working fine

ping the same site using the alphabetical IP address
If the two first worked and this does not, the most common problem is the DNS setup.
It may also be caused by duplicates of some of the winsock files in windows.

hope it helps you.
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beneflexAuthor Commented:
Yes, Dennis! go ahead to take it off. I'm not going to give anymore time on this. I've already blown up my system. It's running NT right now. Thanks very much for the help from all of you guys! Cheers!
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dew_associatesCommented:
If you like, let me know how you wish the points to be divided and I'll arrange it upon your acceptance.
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beneflexAuthor Commented:
Hmmm, I don't know. Divide it evenly?? I counted there were 9 people. Thanks dew!
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dew_associatesCommented:
Okay, just accept the above and I'll arrange something via staff!
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dew_associatesCommented:
And a "C" grade beneflex..you won't get too much of this type of assistance in the future with grading like this!
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