f disk

I have windows nt on one of my comps,i try to install win 98 over it but i was told that this wouldn`t work because I need to run F disk and delete something called a partition.What do i do,I don`t know what is F disk and I don`t know what is a partition....
LVL 11
Eaddy BarnesITAsked:
Who is Participating?
 
Jason_SConnect With a Mentor Commented:
OOPS!  I'll try again.
0
 
jsextonCommented:
This stuff can be pretty complex, so I'll try to make it as simple as possible:

FDisk is a program that manages partitions (very basically the logical layout of a hard disk).  Partitions can be used to create several "logical" drives on one physical hard disk (that's why some computers have a C:\, D:\, and E:\, but only one physical hard disk).  

There are several different partition layouts used by different operating systems.  Windows NT can use FAT16 or NTFS.  Windows 98 can use FAT16 or FAT32.  One cannot read the other, and that is probably what you are running into.  FAT16 will only allow partition sizes up to 2gb, but NTFS and FAT32 allow up to 2 terrabytes (I think that was the number).

My guess is that you are using NTFS now.  If your C:\ partition is over 2GB and all accessible as one drive letter (C:\) then you are definately using NTFS.  If your C:\ partition is less than or equal to 2GB, it could be either.

At this point, I have a couple questions for you.  Do you care if you lose everything on your hard disk?  If you are using NTFS, there is no way to install Win98 that I know of without losing all the info (formatting and starting over with FAT32 instead of NTFS), since Win98 cannot use NTFS.  If you don't need the data on your hard disk, let me know and I'll walk you through using Fdisk to change from NTFS to FAT32.  Also, are you planning to dual-boot between NT and Win98 on the same computer?

Jon
0
 
Jason_SCommented:
If you are planning on using the system to dual boot, then you will need to set up the drive to FAT16 as this is the only way the two can co-exist.  This will require that your drive be wiped completely clean first, so backup your important files.
0
Will You Be GDPR Compliant by 5/28/2018?

GDPR? That's a regulation for the European Union. But, if you collect data from customers or employees within the EU, then you need to know about GDPR and make sure your organization is compliant by May 2018. Check out our preparation checklist to make sure you're on track today!

 
pauljaymesCommented:
If you have an NTFS partition you will have a problem; the win98  FDISK will not recognise an NTFS partition properly and will not let you delete it, or modify it.
0
 
Jason_SCommented:
98's Fdisk will let you delete an NTFS partition.  This is option 4 "Delete Non-DOS Partition".
0
 
pauljaymesCommented:
That one doesn't work since for some reason, FDisk believes there to be logical drives within the NTFS partition, but paradoxically it can't find any. The result is that it refuses to do anything with it.
0
 
pauljaymesCommented:
BTW: 98 SE may be different, I don't know.
0
 
jsextonCommented:
that should be a non-issue if s/he has NT now - if s/he has to s/he can just create an NT boot disk and use the NT version of fdisk to remove the partition.

0
 
Eaddy BarnesITAuthor Commented:
I don`t mind losing all the data,but tell me about this dual booting.
0
 
pauljaymesCommented:
IMO dual booting's more trouble than it's worth. Why do you want to use 98 anyway? NT is far superior - what is it that you're trying to do?
0
 
Jason_SCommented:
pauljaymes:  Under normal circumstances, FDISK will handle this.  But yes, I have seen exactly what you are talking about.
0
 
jsextonCommented:
yes, Pauljaymes is right - its way more trouble than it's worth.  

greeneel, assumming now that you still want to go ahead and install Win98 over NT, here's what we need to know now:

1) Is the computer a Pentum, Pentium 2, AMD, or what?  

2) How fast (MHz) is it?

3) How large is the hard disk?

4) Do you have your original diskette (EZ-BIOS or DISK MANAGER or something similar) that came with the hard disk, or did you get the computer new and pre-loaded with software?

With the above questions I'm hoping to find out if we'll need drive overlay software for the BIOS (older BIOS firmware only recognizes up to 528MB of hard disk - if you have a Pentium 2, this won't be a problem; might on older Pentium).

Jon
0
 
pauljaymesCommented:
The fdisk problem probably only happens when you have a primary FAT16 partition and an extended NTFS. I think if your primary is NTFS then FDISK is fine, but primary FAT and extended NTFS is probably the most common config on NT workstation.

NT is equally unhappy with FAT32.....

Anyway, this is digressing from the question - if you must do this then my advice to you greeneel is NOT to attempt it yourself. Find a friend who knows what they're doing to help you out, you'll save yourself a lot of grief.
0
 
dew_associatesCommented:
Greeneel, would a step by step set of instructions help you with this?

Dual-booting Win98 and NT4 is easy as long as you pay attention to what your are doing and do it right the firs time.

Since you already have NT up, you are familiar with it, so loading a dual boot scenario would be easy. If you want to do this, tell me the size of the hard drive and I'll give you a step by step to walk you through it.
Dennis
0
 
SunBowCommented:
comment,
I thought other threads said Win98 CD was able to overlay anything, even Linux.
Personal experience prior to 98, was that fDisk had trouble knocking off NT 'cause it though it was OS2. Currently, I got a NT5 I cannot yet revert to NT4.
--
on multiboot, IMHO
At work, great flexibility
At home, more pain that it is worth.
0
 
Jason_SCommented:
It all depends on the setup of the partition.  98 will not be able to overwrite an NTFS partition.  It only works with Fat16, and Fat32.

greeneel:  Any comments from you?
0
 
SunBowCommented:
pre-98, my personal preference was to do the DOS and windows first, let NT figure out the rest. Either FAT to share, or NTFS separately.

Not sure how NT collaboration goes at runtime for '98, perhaps it needs separate partition AND an INI tweak, but am led to believe from this and other threads that it is simple enough for those who want multiboot.
0
 
saoudCommented:
I assume that you have an idea about what fdisk and partition is, instead of using fdisk you can use a third party partitioning software which will save you many troubles. Partition Magic 5 is one example and it's much easier to use than fdisk and almost risk free if you know how to use it.Your data won't be lost and you can still have more than one operating system!
This is only a suggestion, I'd rather recommend being familiar with fdisk since partition magic is kinda of pricy
(~$50) and you don't mind losing your data! what do you wanna do?
I'd like to hear answers for jsexton questions as they may help
0
 
Jason_SCommented:
I am submiting an Answer to this question in an attempt to get a responce from the asker.  If anyone objects, post a comment, and I will withdraw.

greeneel:  Any feedback from you?
0
 
dew_associatesCommented:
I guess you bought this one Jason!
0
 
Jason_SCommented:
I can certainly withdraw.
0
 
dew_associatesCommented:
That's not necessary, you did the work!
0
 
Jason_SCommented:
Thanks.  I just want a responce from greeneel.
0
All Courses

From novice to tech pro — start learning today.