a Non-computers questions - need help with car audio product

Have a pioneer cassete player (KEH-3650, Car Audio), and have a multi-cd socket in the back of the player.
I want to plug in a Mini Disc as a "Line in" equipment, for this, I need to know the exact pins in the Multi-cd socket which are the ones who gets the audio input.
I have a "Aux" socket too, but it's not getting through the built-in amp, so connecting to this Multi-cd socket is my only way to get it done.
10x in advance
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Asta CuTechnical consultant & graphic designCommented:
I've found numerous Pioneer Cassette Players, but not this model.  Furthermore, want to find one with a visual schematic that'll help identify connectoids.  

Still trying...

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Asta CuTechnical consultant & graphic designCommented:
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Asta CuTechnical consultant & graphic designCommented:
Barlevi,

Any idea when your model was manufactured?  I find many models, just not your model; but tried searching the archives for '99.  No luck there yet.
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Asta CuTechnical consultant & graphic designCommented:
Sorry, no luck.  The only other hit I had for your exact model is on auction in Germany.
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Asta CuTechnical consultant & graphic designCommented:
http://www.junkmail.co.za/Browse/Is9911/Jhb/580B.HTM

PIONEER KEH 3650: Supertuner, r/t. Excellent cond. R.850 neg. 083-******

The above is the link and hit I mentioned above.

_____________________

This link to Pioneer, though, may prove helpful.

http://www.pioneer-america.com/topics/car_av.htm

   Car audio and video questions can be directed to Pioneer Service.
 (800) 421-1606 M-F, 6:30am - 4:30pm PT

That's pacific time (west coast).


I've also looked at the photos of other models, but nothing there or the specifications give me the answer you seek.

That's about all I could find.

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MrbreezeCommented:
Do you have this plug you are going to plug into it or you looking to remove the socket and direct wire it.
                            Mrbreeze
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barleviAuthor Commented:
astaec.

I visited Pioneer car audio archive, my model is probably 1997 one, but the socket, is seem to be a standart one for hooking up Multi-cd.
I manage to get a visual schematic but it included only the wires and their colors, and it included the socket - without any further information about it.

Mrbreeze,

it doesn't matter, I can probably get the connector itself but I still need to know the exact pins that responsable for the incomming audio.

10x guys in the meantime

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barleviAuthor Commented:
...and I don't live in the US, so phone call is not considerable.
if you can find e-mail, it'll be something too
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Asta CuTechnical consultant & graphic designCommented:
On the link I provided, there's a DEALER search option to your locale; have you tried that?  Or, advise where you live so we can target the right Pioneer location to help you (although the link I provided should have helped you navigate through to that information).  

Although you found the schematic; there's no wiring template or color coding information?
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Asta CuTechnical consultant & graphic designCommented:
http://www.pioneer.co.jp/group/index-e.html

THE ABOVE LINK WILL GET YOU TO PIONEER GLOBAL, AND INCLUDES LINKS TO CUSTOMER SERVICE.  It's helpful in that it lists countries/international access links.
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barleviAuthor Commented:
1. I've contacted my local branch via e-mail
2. The schematic is showing the color coding and the wiring, but it does not show the multi-cd socket by pins, it just show to where I should connect my Multi cd product
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Davy070599Commented:
Hi,

My brother works for Pioneer Belgium and I'm going to ask him to get the information you need.  Normally I expect an answer by tomorrow evening.

Byeee...
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Asta CuTechnical consultant & graphic designCommented:
Sounds hopeful.

Asta
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Asta CuTechnical consultant & graphic designCommented:
In searching Pioneer Europe, still not one hit for your exact model; here's the result searching Pioneer for all Europe.  Is Davy correct, you're in the Belgium area?  I must have missed something.

http://www.pioneer-eur.com/Architext/AT-pioneersearch.cgi
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barleviAuthor Commented:
10x Davy.

astaec, I'm from Israel.
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barleviAuthor Commented:
...and, astaec, I don't think you need to get the exact model, as I said before, it looks like a standart multi-cd socket, so if you'll get a schematic of a socket of a newer model, it'll probably will be fine
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Asta CuTechnical consultant & graphic designCommented:
Well, many attempts later, still no socket view; any model.  Being persistent, not yet giving up; but .... well we'll see.  Perhaps Davy's brother will have the exact diagram for you.  
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Asta CuTechnical consultant & graphic designCommented:
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/car/wiring.htm

Whew!  This has wiring color codes for Pioneer Auto Audio with year levels.
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Asta CuTechnical consultant & graphic designCommented:
By the way, this includes the KEH models prior to 1999.

That's it for my available time today. Hope it helps.

Best wishes,

Asta
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barleviAuthor Commented:
Been there - this was the page I've been visiting ....

but 10x anyway
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AwmytieCommented:
    See if your local electronics parts store has a Sams Photofact catalog.  If so, you may be able to order up a Sams folder set with the Pioneer item you're looking for.  Next time I get downtown, I'll see what I can find.
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AwmytieCommented:
    Just discovered that Sams is on-line now.  But they say they don't have a manual for the Pioneer KEH-3650 -- you might want to recheck that model number just to be sure.  In any event, you may find some good info at Sams:  http://www.hwsams.com/photofacts.html
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MrbreezeCommented:
Barlevi,
Like that name "son of Levi". Anyway I was asking because if you take the out leads from the player and contact them to the pins you should be able to produce the sound. It is a hot wire attempt of course but it could give you the info you need to build the connection as you want it.
With the player running and playing the Cd if you luck up and find the right pin it will make noise.
                        Mrbreeze
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AwmytieCommented:
Shalom.  I'm still looking, too....
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barleviAuthor Commented:
MrBreeze, barlevi is actually barlev (my last name) and i, which stands for ISDN.....never mind.
and thaught about doing the hot wire thing, too risky, don't want to harm the MiniDisc or the Cassete player

Awmytie, I have the Product Manual, nut there isn't any info regarding the pin out of the socket.
and what's the SAM ?
and as far as contacting a local branch, I did it with e-mail, let's hope they'll come back with an answer (althaugh I don't think so)
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AwmytieCommented:
 Sam? Actually Sams.  Howard W. Sams, a publishing company in Indianapolis, Indiana --  now a division of Bell Atlantic (a multinational corporation), puts out many electronics books and a service called Photofact that parallels manufacturer's manuals, usually  doing a better job of it, with photos, component identifications, circuit diagrams, spare parts sources, etc.  Chances are, your local electronics store has a dozen books from Sams. (In Israel, I wouldn't be so sure.?.)

  Howie started the company about a year before I moved to Indianapolis in 1947 (If you've been watching EE long, you'll know I'm ancient).  I don't know if he's still alive and kicking or not, but he was a go-getter at the time -- a so-called "shaker and mover," well known in publishing circles.  By the way, I think he was Jewish, but not sure of that.
   
  As a former electronics technician (that WAS a LONG time ago), I wouldn't have been WITHOUT the Photofact folder for a particular radio or TV set I was working on at the time -- still got a drawer full I should have ashcanned years ago.  
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Davy070599Commented:
Hi,

I'm back but not yet with the needed information.  I will have it by tomorrow.

Could you tell me if you have the KEH 3650, the KEH-M 3650 or the KEH-P 3650.

It's possible with the KEH-P 3650  to connect a minidisk via an optional adapter.

The engineers also told that no connector for a cdplayer can be found on the KEH 3650, this is why I think you have a KEH-M or a KEH-P.  Could you confirm that?

Anyway, tomorrow I'll propably be possible to tell you which pin it is.

Byeee...
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barleviAuthor Commented:
Awmytie, thanks for the interesting information, everyday I learn something new....

Davy, you're right, I have the KEH P 3650......
And if you can, please ask him why the AUX socket isn't playing through the built-in amp. ? ? ?
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telebasicsCommented:
Can't you use a volt meter to check wich pins send sound find a dead pin press play and see if it gets alive
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barleviAuthor Commented:
telebasics, It's a good idea, but it has a lot of pins there, some are supposed to be sound, and I don't know which one responsable for what, that's why I don't want to do this test
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Davy070599Commented:
Hi,

I'll have the visual schema this evening.  I'll scan it and send you via e-mail.  

Can you give me your mail adress or send a message to Davy.DeDurpel@vt4.net and I'll reply to you.

Byeee...
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Asta CuTechnical consultant & graphic designCommented:
It all sounds most hopeful and as though you've got everything you need in progress.

It would be great to know what the final resolution is via updated post.

Thanks.

Asta
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barleviAuthor Commented:
Davy, sent you an e-mail

Asta, and everybody else, I will, you can count on it
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Davy070599Commented:
Hi,

I've sent the schema of the IP-BUS.

Byeee...
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barleviAuthor Commented:
Davy, sent you 2 e-mails.

and everybody, 10x for the help, Davy sent me the scheme I needed with the pins info and it works.
10x again....

(Now waiting for Davy to answer and get his points)
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Davy070599Commented:
Hi,

All thanks goes to my brother.  He's the one who contacted the right people.

Byeee...
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barleviAuthor Commented:
Indeed.
Give him some of the points....he he
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Asta CuTechnical consultant & graphic designCommented:
GREAT NEWS!!!!
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AwmytieCommented:
All's well that ends.  Well?
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barleviAuthor Commented:
Awmytie, didn't understand you...
you can contact me e-mail: barlevi@isdn.net.il
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AwmytieCommented:
Darn, forgot the language barrier -- old Shakespearian thing "All's well that ends well."  My version's a bit different.  
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barleviAuthor Commented:
I see
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