Linux extremely sucky??

What does Windows have that Linux Mandrake doesn't??  If I would have known that I wouldn't be able to use my modem with that O/S I wouldn't have ever bought it!!  It should be on the box! "No WinModem support!!"  I know nothing about programming, but I do know this is terrible & extremely sucky!!  I heard Linux "doesn't crash," if which is even half true is a great claim, and definitely worth the $ I paid for the O/S..  But if I can't access my ISP,,!
EXTREMELY SUCKY.... =  (LT Win Modem NT(!!!!
Charles011800Asked:
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j2Commented:
Uhm, the fact that linux doesnt support winmodems is common knowledge, AND listed in the "hardware compability guide", so whats the question here really?
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j2Commented:
oh, i see the question:

"What does Windows have that Linux Mandrake doesn't??"

It has wider support with hardware manufacturers, there is no financial sense in writing drivers for hardware to a system where justabout everyone expects everything to be free of charge.

Anyway, Linux just isnt a big enough market to warrant making drivers for these modems.
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tq3407Commented:
The reason that the Winmodem is not supported is because it is not a "true" modem.  The driver that youn have to install for it emulates an com port.  Linux for right now needs to actually be able to communicate with the hardware without the use of a software generated port.
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j2Commented:
"The driver that youn have to install for it emulates an com port"

Wrong. It have to emulate a modem, the port isnt the problem. But the fact that the modem lacks all modulating / protocol / errorcorrecting  hardware is the problem.
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NietzscheCommented:
Throwing my $.02 in:  Lucent does have *some* drivers for their winmodems now (read: SOME drivers for SOME modems = avoid them still if possible).
Of course, they're still not great modems ...
Again, just my $.02.
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j2Commented:
Yes, the Lucent Venus based modems, which arent WinModems, they are not even memory mapped modems (which is why they work) :)
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EatEmAndSmileCommented:
After all, the problem is not Linux, but the modem manufacturer. If there's no module for their modem, that's all their fault. The specs for their modem are not published, thus, only they can provide the module, and they don't do that.
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j2Commented:
Not really true, the specs are available, for a few thousand dollars. The Windows-developers happily bought them, there is nothing preventing a linux-devoted coder to do the same. Apart from the fact that they seem to want everything for free :)
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EatEmAndSmileCommented:
Heh, that's true. As a Linux user, I also deny to pay for any kind of software, despite games. I bought myself a copy of Quake to support the interest on developing good games for Linux.

 By the way, did you check www.mightandmagic.com ? They're doing a special edition of their "Heroes of -" for Linux only.
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j2Commented:
Kool :)

Actually, i have also bought myself a copy of BRU professional, but with the upcoming release of ARCserve i think i will retire BRU (depends on what the final ARCserve will cost)

Anyway, i guess i cant really blame Lucent for wanting money for the specs. And even with the specs its would be a dauting task to write a driver package for it.

And lets be honest here, i do not think there are enough winmodems out there to warrant the work, especially when considering they will be obsolete in a year or so in any event. If you see how i am thinking here?

Just my $0.02 :)
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j2Commented:
and another thing, if we look at the REAL winmodem (USR / 3Coms) some of the algorithms used to program the DSP is still "Patent pending" for 3Com, and i can really see why they would not want to disclose any info about the workings of that device before their patent is approved.
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EatEmAndSmileCommented:
Yes, I also think they're going to be history after a while. They're really not worth the stress.

 By the way, it would be interesting to see a Linux box running a WinModem driver... I bet you could connect then run "uptime" and see the CPU load going to space. :)
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tq3407Commented:
wrong j2 the software driver must create the port or the thing will not work. I'm not here to get into an argument but I own the modem and I still use it in my windows machine.  If you look, you will notice that the COM port for an winmodem will not show up in windows device manager under ports. But the port is there if you look at the modems properties. I would like an anwser to this if the modem is not software driven.  
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Charles011800Author Commented:
Well, that 2 cents got me a driver for my piece of junk modem..  Obviously, I'm a Linux Newbie, or since I don't know ANY programming, maybe even a nobie..  Nonetheless I now have a driver, even if it's not what I think it is.  Problem is, I don't know what to do with it!!  So, if someone could write to me like a four year old, so that I might get it installed.- I'll award them the points even if it doesn't work..
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Charles011800Author Commented:
Beyond rewarding the points, I've be extremely greatful..because I don't care if my CPU usage runs to "space"..  It doesn't seem to do too bad under Windows.  If the reason it doesn't work is because some of the hardware that's usually on a modem is somewhere else in the comp., then I still have an entire modem somewhere in that little gray box..  Even if it only works as good as it does in Windows, which may not be as good as some other modem, it'll work fine as far as I'm concerned..  I'm used to Window's fancy installation "wizard"'s, so I have no idea how to install a driver in Linux, or even if it's a possibility, though I don't understand how it could be impossible..
Given that there are driver's for all sorts of other things..
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j2Commented:
"I would like an anwser to this if the modem is not software driven."

Uhm, so?

All that says is that the driver coders have decided to not give it an entry in the ports listing.
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j2Commented:
All it has to emulate is some sort of entry vector, if it truly did emulate a com-port, the modems would also work in a DOS window under a windows session, as i understand it, most of these devices doesnt.
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tq3407Commented:
Here is the e-mail that I've received from 3COM tech support.



Thank you for contacting 3COM Online Support.  I understand you are having a question on why Winmodems are not supported in Unix/Linux.  The Winmodem is a software based modem that uses software to assign the resources for the modem, such as Comm, IRQ and I\O.  This is done through the Windows Registry and the Winmodem software installation files.  Since other operating systems typically require hardware assigned Comm Ports, IRQs and I\O ranges, a Winmodems software cannot emulate resource allocation.  For this reason, Winmodems may only be installed in Windows operating systems.

Have we resolved your issue to your satisfaction today?  If the response we have provided does not meet with your satisfaction, please reply to this message with an explanation as to why.

Please post all replies under this message.

Thank You,
Steve S.
3COM Online Support

I was partially right.  j2 I thought that you would like to know.  I wasn't sure but now we all have the anwser for the 3COM line anyway. I hope that this helps us all.
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MagicianCommented:
Trying not to sound condescending, but you asked that we speak in a low level.

Did you actually get the "source code" for the driver?  The file should have an extension of .c, if you did.  If the file has an extension of .o, you're pretty much set, because installing a driver without having to compile it is fairly easy.

Did the place you got the driver from have any instructions?  For example, do you have to "load it as a module", or do you have to "patch the kernel"?  These are two entirely different processes, with one being more complicated (for a "newbie" :) than the others.

Does Mandrake use KDE as its GUI?  If it does, then you life just got a little more simple.  Let me know.
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j2Commented:
Just struck me that the Answer from 3Com is incomplete. They leave out the entire "This isnt even a modem, its a generic DSP on a board" :)
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j2Commented:
and the "Since other operating systems typically require hardware assigned Comm Ports, IRQs and I\O ranges" line is total bull****,  actually i would go as far as calling it a complete lie.

But i do agree that the 3Com answer is put in such a way that a "normal" user understands the main message "It only works in windows" ;)
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AJT021400Commented:
if you would do any research before getting linux, you would know that a winmodem is a hunk of **** that is totally controlled by windows drivers, get a non win modem.
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j2Commented:
AJT: there is a huge difference between "Controlled by windows drivers" and "controlled by software, currently only available for windows"
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AJT021400Commented:
never thought of it that way.  I would still prefer nonwin/nonsoftware modems.  :)
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j2Commented:
I dont disagree there, i just feel that this one place where you can't (in all hoesty) blame windows. Blame the fact that the market WANTS those devices for the home market ;)
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Charles011800Author Commented:
I'm way outta my leage..  The driver I found is for windows only-some executable script..For another fancy Windows wizard.  This is the closest to an answer I got.  The answer to my question "what does Windows have that Linux doesn't?"  Registery..   --
Maybe not software assigned ...  but software defined..  I've heard that Windows doesn't have a monopoly on crash prone software-it must just be my copy.  
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