Program Manager in Win98

I used to use windows 3.1 (a long time ago), and today, I thought Id try it out using windows 98. I can run the system tray on startup, but i cannot work out how to access it. Can anyone help me there
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Davy070599Commented:
Hi,

Click on 'start', 'Run'.  Type in 'progman.exe' and hit enter.

This will open the program manager under windows 98

Byeee...
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TYoungCommented:
>> Type in 'progman.exe' and hit enter.

You only really need "progman" but that works too.

FYI: Did you know that explorer.exe's classname is "Progman"?
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BillyAbbottCommented:
i think you used to be able to select progman as default when you installed win95, but i haven;t installed 95a for a while now...
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boycyAuthor Commented:
sorry, I mist a line out when typing. What I couldnt access was the StartMenu. Ive included progman.exe in system.ini, but I can't get the startmenu to run
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1cellCommented:
what happens when you click on start?
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TYoungCommented:
Can you run explorer.exe?
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boycyAuthor Commented:
there isnt a start menu there, and I can run explorer.exe from within the progman shell, but it is only for use as a file manager, like my computer
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1cellCommented:
do you have a task bar?  perhaps at the bottom of the screen with a clock on the left?

if not, restart in safe mode.  do you have one there including the start button?
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boycyAuthor Commented:
there is no taskbar or anything. Its not a fault, its just that progman doesnt include it. i just wondered if it was a program or built into explorer
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1cellCommented:
did you go to safe mode?

restart and hit F8 continually until you see the Win98 start menu
choose safe mode

is there a task bar there?

this is actually a function of explorer.
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tomlacheckiCommented:
I could be wasting points here if I'm wrong, but it's my first time so, what the heck.

You said you just wandered if it was a program or built into explorer.

Well I can tell you that it is built into explorer.exe, because whenever I get an error message about explorer.exe and explorer is forced to reload (I get a lot of these, I might ask someone soon) the start menu goes to, and pressing the Start Menu button on my keyboard brings up taskman.exe

Just a thought, but I've posted it as an answer.
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1cellCommented:
as you are new, welcome!  However, don't post answers unless you know it will solve the problem.  In this case you have posted what has already been said and your info doe snot help to resolve the issue.  Posting an answer locks the question further delaying the questioners solution.  Try to adhere to this in the future.

boycy, please reject the proposed answer as it is a repeat of given info and does not help you.  Also, let us know the status here.
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TYoungCommented:
Can you reinstall windows 98? Don't reformat your hard drive if you do, because you can just overwrite the bad files in Win98 when you reinstall.

Is this possible for you to do?

What happens when you press the Windows key on your keyboard? Do you get taskman.exe, or do get the start menu?


Just some thoughts...
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boycyAuthor Commented:
wait. Anyone wishing to answer this question: it is NOT a problem with windows. I am NOT running the normal explorer shell, I am using program manager, the shell that win3.x used to use. The taskbar is probably built into explorer, which doubles as a file manager (my computer). progman.exe does not contain the taskbar. I found a program in c:\windows named 'systray.exe' and wondered if this was the system tray, including the taskbar. I was only wondering if anyone knew how to get the taskbar working without using explorer as the shell.
If you want to see what I mean, change the line in the system.ini file 'shell=explorer.exe' to read 'shell=progman.exe' and try it out
thankx
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1cellCommented:
I was only wondering if anyone knew how to get the taskbar working without using explorer as the shell.

there is no way.  the systray simply manages the icons found in the system tray on the task bar.  explorer is in charge of the taskbar, startmenu, etc.   you are not using explorer, you don't get those items

sorry to confuse the issue earlier.  i was misunderstanding.
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sdland1Commented:
yeah you must modifthe system.ini file
change shell=explorer.exe to shell=progman.exe systray should still load provided it is in the registry key
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/SOFTWARE/MICROSOFT/WINDOWS/CURRENT VERSION/RUN
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boycyAuthor Commented:
Ive already put systray.exe in the progman startup group, and Ive already got progman.exe as the shell
Running systray on startup is only the 32-bit application that manages the system tray, a small component of the taskbar. This does not answer the question, and on review, I dont think that the question can be answered, as the taskbar is built into explorer.exe shell
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tomlacheckiCommented:
OK now I think we've all worked it out.

> I used to use windows 3.1 (a long
> time ago), and today, I thought Id
> try it out using windows 98. I can
> run the system tray on startup, but i
> cannot work out how to access it. Can
> anyone help me there

The answer is no.


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boycyAuthor Commented:
exactly
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boycyAuthor Commented:
Ive realised this was a pretty lame question but tomlachecki answered it so he gets the points
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1cellCommented:
isn't this what I said on the 27th?
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Davy070599Commented:
To 1cell: life is unfair
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boycyAuthor Commented:
1cell - sorry about the answer. I was meaning to give them to you, but accidentally gave them to tomlachecki.
Just live in the knowledge that it was you, even though you havent got the points!
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1cellCommented:
Knowledge doesn't matter, I'm saving my points for another T-shirt!!!

just kidding
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boycyAuthor Commented:
if you want I could ask another Q and give you thwe points - Id hate to think of you going around without a T-shirt on!
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tomlacheckiCommented:
Is this question finished or not?
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